Expendable For A Cause.

The Railroading Of Richard Ramírez

The Appeal of the Night Stalker: The Railroading of Richard Ramirez

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And the paperback is here (although they might still be unavailable in some countries – check back in a few days. They can take a while to show up!)

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We are so excited! But of course, the day couldn’t pass without problems. Yesterday was supposed to be launch night. The ebook went on very quickly without a hitch. Then the paperback was rejected despite identical contents… why? Amazon claimed that the book was already out there in the public domain and in an unspecified foreign language. They demanded I send proof of my right to translate the book to English, and provide details of the original writer, including their death details. WHAT?! I wasn’t told about this problem for six hours after the rejection either, so I had no idea what went wrong.

Anyway, I responded with a load of “IT’S MINE! I HAVE PROOF!!” evidence, and had to wait another six hours for resolution. We didn’t want to announce it until they were both for sale and it totally ruined launch night. I’m terrified it will happen again so hurry and buy the book!

Venning, Kaycee and Jay

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2,026 responses to “The Appeal of the Night Stalker: The Railroading of Richard Ramirez”

  1. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    but do you guys really believe he had cancer or any of that? Is there like real evidence of that I’m his medical records?

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      Medical records are confidential, I believe, even for incarcerated people.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Oh really? I guess ya makes sense but I just find it real fishy for some reason o just don’t he died the way they said maybe they covering up something idk I wish we hade more answers to this!

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        We only have the death certificate, I think you’d have to get a court order to get any information regarding his medical records, and unless it was next of kin, I doubt they would release anything. His death certificate is “interesting”, and we do go over it in the book a little.

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Oh really! Sweet! I can’t wait to read that part then!

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        It’s only brief, there is nothing to go on, only the death certificate.

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      5. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Even so! Better than nothing! 😁

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    2. interesting-case Avatar
      interesting-case

      My personal opinion is yes I do think he contracted Hep C and developed cancer. I know of people in real life that were raging alcoholics and drug users in their youth, got clean and sober and ended up dying of cancer in their mid 50’s (after establishing a family and having children and a “wholesome life”. The damage was done and their fate was decided. People may think they are immortal as young and they might feel they escaped death simply for getting clean and sober, but the body keeps the score at the end of the day. Sobriety is no guarantee.

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      1. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I think the two diseases combined require specialist targeted chemotherapy and there’s no chance of that on shitty death row. Really sad.

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Would have accepted treatment anyway? I often wonder about that. His death certificate indicated the lymphoma was a late diagnosis, didn’t it? Perhaps the Hep C masked the symptoms?

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Ohhhh ok I understand now! Poor Richard and anyone else like him. Thank you for clarifying this for me! Makes sense now! I guess maybe he did have cancer then!

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        interesting-case

        I think the late diagnosis might just been him not caring to get it checked because he wanted to die rather than spend another 20 years “in the hole”, which is understandable. I think once a bit older person gets sick and weak they don’t have the same will to live like a young person that has their whole life ahead of them. He was too broken.

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      5. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, part of me thinks that, too, I imagine he’d had enough. Although he was still filing his appeal status right up to the end and so I wonder if he knew death was imminent. Or perhaps he knew but wanted to go out on his own terms, as it were. Of course we can only speculate.

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      6. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        Yeah I think he felt his impending death but was hoping to die as a free man. Technically he did as he died allegedly in hospital. Probably handcuffed up to the bed though.

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      7. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        I read they’re handcuffed, too.

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  2. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    this is too sad this guy suffered way too much then we think. Am I the only one crying 😢?

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  3. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    wait he was offered treatment what rejected it? Or was never given treatment cuz he was never asked for it?

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      I don’t know that. I was merely wondering.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        It’s ok dw! OMG why are we left with more questions than answers this is too crazy for my brain to handle. But while reading the book I’m really understanding things a bit more!

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        That’s good, it is very convoluted, and a most frustrating case. It’s great that the book is helping you.

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        It really is like every time I open the book my eyes are tired cuz I’m reading a lot of it I not giving my eyes time to rest 😂

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      4. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I’m glad. I tried really hard to structure it in a way that even people who are new to the case can follow easily. I tried to keep it to small paragraphs and sections. It was exhausting, but it seems to have paid of…

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      5. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Dw about it at all!! I loved the way you did it! It’s perfect and exactly the way I like it! I’m wouldn’t have it any other way! This is how I wish other books were written! I really mean it! You thought very much about us and how we would have loved it instead of not caring’ shows how much you care not only about the case but the readers! Very well done part 7 already! Hehe 100/10 is rate this book!

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  4. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I love this I really really love this group chat if you can call it that haha where we are discussing all of this it really feels nice talking to all you amazing people!

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    1. Isabella 99 Avatar
      Isabella 99

      Hi Sarah , yes I think its a nice group of people here. I have a question about this woman called Fatos , when I want to follow her channel …when I subscribe . Does she give news or Infos about Richard also , apart from her liking him very much ? I have no idea about something like that . Maybe its a Fan base also ..but she seems more relaxed about the whole thing…?

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        At doesn’t I never really understood all this Groupe stuff and what it meant tbh I was clueless about it. Then I did research a what a groupie was and I was like ya that’s not me I was just giving my love and support for Richard cuz I care about him and hate what happened to him. On her community section she does post some things yes about the victim’s original report and stuff and how not to believe the lies about him. But once I found this blog through her page I left Fatos page and came here way better here it’s mot crazy groupies or fangirl and no bullying here too!

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      2. Isabella 99 Avatar
        Isabella 99

        Thanks for answering , Sarah !

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    Isabella 99

    Hi guys ..Iis so hot in Germany today and I m just back from the post Office where my book was stored cause I missed delivery yesterday…But now I ve got the book too and I m in a cafe and reading a little and also writing this comment ..I m thinkiing about last September when I first got to know about Richard Ramirez and his case .How I started to do some research and how I was immediately mislead by those awful TV Films and edits and series about The Nightstalker hype. Luckily I m hard to impress by those reports and I then ordered Carlo book…I thought that this was a very good idea of myself ..LOL…As I thought its a Biografie and there I must find the true history of Richard Ramirez ..I did nt expect it to make my confusion even worse …and stopped in the middle of the book..What I want to say is that Lots of people get a completely wrong Impression of Richard and the whole case and it really needs some time of critical thinking and curiosity and patience not to fall into this trap of cheap hype in this Odysee of the Nightstalker case ! I see how easy it is to get manipulated by ..fake news etc.and I m actually thinking about this a lot ! Because I see the danger of this..And also I often think about how Richard was treated by his penpals and by all these socalled Fans…Not very nice in my opinion…I ve noticed that some of his ‘ fans’ have cut the Israelien Interview in 100 parts and send bits of it. A bad one Was one with a close up of him laughing with Focus on his missing teeth …and they found it sooo cute ..,We love him even without teeth..that was the message of this ! I would appreciate some respect for him…But this blog shows that there are also many people who do respect him ! And I m quite sure he would like the blog and the book ! Also I like the New comments very much !

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      I agree with you! Ppl need to learn some respect! Crazy fans! With their weird giggles! Have some respect for the poor guy he was suffering and obviously not well! This is the best blog I’ve ever read and seen and forever will be!

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      1. Isabella 99 Avatar
        Isabella 99

        They seem to be not aware of the tragic behind those edits…Its just entertainment . One fan , also a woman wrote : ” Richard , sing for us .” That made me speechless even when I see the absurdity.

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      2. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Anything to them is entertainment they don’t care at all!

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    2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      Hello! So glad you’ve got your book.
      I am hoping to catch up with you all later, I am not around much today but thanks so much for coming and contributing. We need critical thinkers.

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  6. interesting-case Avatar
    interesting-case

    I ask you all to watch this analysis of what happens when someone is labelled as “evil” and how these expectations ultimately makes the targetted individual act as such.

    https://youtu.be/0ETIeKz7iBE?feature=shared

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      I am not around much today but will definitely catch up with everyone as soon as possible.
      Thank you all for contributing as you do to these discussions.

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  7. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    I have just started with reading his letters and I found the link of Yes Im Evil .Thank you for that !

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  8. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    11 doctors saw him and think they all came with the same conclusion that he’s not a psychopath or anything like that or how the media showed and said he was! He was in fact super depressed felt aloness and very suicidal etc…,ppl just think by labeling him as a psychopath etc… would make him look cool or whatever without understanding Richard properly or the situation. “Badass” criminal he was not but he just wanted I guess to just give them a show like you want a psychopath I’ll act like one even tho he wasn’t at all a psychopath or a sociopath or even bipolar or schizophrenic etc… ppl need to stop labeling people without knowing! He wasn’t any of those things! He was just merely super depressed wanting to die which is super sad my heart break for RR!

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    1. Vivi Avatar
      Vivi

      Contrary to popular belief, only about 1 to 4% of the general population meets the criteria to be considered a psychopath, making it rarer than most people think. The term ‘psychopath’ is often thrown around without a true understanding of its meaning.

      While Ted Bundy was never formally diagnosed as a psychopath, he is widely regarded as one of the most prominent real-life examples, exhibiting traits like extreme manipulation, charm, and a grandiose sense of self-worth.

      In contrast, although Richard Ramirez was relatively charming, he didn’t seem to possess the manipulative tendencies or inflated self-image typical of a psychopath.

      Unfortunately, the true crime community has a tendency to casually apply psychiatric and psychological labels to people, which can perpetuate stigma and misunderstanding about these complex mental health issues and the individuals who live with them. The only want to make him scarier than he is for reasons that I can’t really grasp.

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      1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
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        An interesting video about labelling people was posted earlier on here, by “Interesting Case”.
        Ramirez definitely did not have an inflated ego, his psyche reports say he viewed himself as lesser than others, he gets the “pyscho bad boy” label thanks to the character “created” for him by the media, the public and law enforcement. He did play into that during his court appearances (the little we can see of that) but he explained that he wasn’t going to give anyone the satisfaction of “seeing me down”.

        A psychiatrist viewing the court proceedings from the public gallery spotted his problems straight away .

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        No one, no matter who they are, wants to give someone else the satisfaction of knowing that their words or actions have an effect on them—it gives that person power over you. It often feels safer to put on a facade of confidence and adopt an ‘I don’t care what anyone thinks’ attitude as a way of protecting yourself. What did people expect? That he would break down, crying and screaming? If anything, that kind of reaction would come across as even more manipulative.

        Despite all of this, it was clear that there were things going on beneath the surface. Take, for example, the clip where he’s rocking back and forth in his chair when it was announced that he would be sentenced to death 19 times. He seemed more anxious than cocky. I’m willing to bet that if we could have seen his eyes, we might have seen fear in them.

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      3. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
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        I think you’re absolutely right.

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      4. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Exactly like that’s just messed up what they did to Richard and labeled him as such when he was not!

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      5. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        Yes, like Jay mentioned I hope everyone takes the time to watch this psychological analysis of what happens to an individual who gets labelled a psychopath/evil. They consequently start putting on the act because they already lost from the start. RR acted out his expected role that was given to him by the media and society at large.
        https://youtu.be/0ETIeKz7iBE

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      6. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Thanks, I will watch this later.
        It reminds me of something I learned while studying sociology years ago, where if someone is repeatedly told they’ll grow up to be a failure, they start to tell themselves that, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even if the “failure” goes on to be successful, they’ll always have impostor syndrome and be in denial that they’re good at something.
        So Richard’s response to being called a “sexual psychopath” in court was to grin and call himself one in letters and then he embraced his false “evil” act.

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      7. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        This type of cognitive distortion which you described is detrimental to a youths development. I have seen it up close and personal. It really takes a village to raise a child and if that village is abusive, including authority at public institutions like school.. they’re pretty much screwed.

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I don’t think people fully grasp the far-reaching impact when a child falls through the cracks. It contributes to an increase in crime and instability within the community. It’s easy to dismiss the issue by saying it’s solely the parents’ responsibility to raise the child and guide them onto the right path. However, this kind of thinking ignores the broader societal factors at play and can lead to numerous negative outcomes.

        Richard grew up in an extremely unstable home environment and lived in a relatively impoverished area, which likely lacked proper staffing, resources, and funding for educational and rehabilitation institutions. These factors collectively contributed to his descent into a dark and dangerous path in life.

        I’m not suggesting that people should become surrogate parents to other people’s children, but rather that we should all be aware and conscious of our actions, behaviors, and how we treat children. A little care and attention can go a long way in preventing a child from slipping through the cracks.

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        interesting-case

        I agree. It’s often said that if an abused child finds at least one good teacher whom they can confide in through school, that can change the course of their lives. It’s easy for people to compare themselves to people who’ve ended up in a bad way and say “my life was shit too but I still didn’t [insert any morally bad action]. Thing is we are not carbon copies of each other. Every brain and it’s accumulated experiences through our formative years is never the same as someone elses. Not even twins and siblings or two from the same household and community share the same experience from the same events they were exposed to. We’re all wired with different levels of vulnerability.

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      10. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I find those types of comments frustrating because they often seem to diminish or dismiss someone’s experiences. In Richard’s case, his life was marked by extreme instability, violence, hysteria, poverty, and abuse. The fact that he survived for as long as he did is remarkable. Everyone has different thresholds for what they can endure, and it’s simply not appropriate to compare life experiences in a way that undermines individual struggles.

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      11. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        This might be off-topic but it annoys me when people say Richard’s upbringing isn’t an excuse for all his alleged crimes, “I was abused and didn’t turn out that way”. Yet two relatives of two Night Stalker victims grew up to be killers and somehow Richard’s “killings” are to blame.

        One is the Khovananths son, Kevin. He allegedly beat and shook his baby to death but his wife Dorothy got them a fancy lawyer and he was acquitted. So how did their child end up with cracked ribs, head injuries and a wrenched out leg if they weren’t involved?

        The Dois grandson grew up to be a gang member who raped someone, killed his mother and girlfriend and shot a baby. There was another assault with a deadly weapon too. How does his granddad’s murder excuse that? Yet that is a claim that is made.

        One rule for Richard Ramirez and another for murderers in the victims’ families. Double standards enrage me!

        I say it’s an LA/California problem and not a Ramirez problem. They need to sort their gang problems out.

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      12. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I completely agree with your frustration. It’s infuriating to see the double standards people apply when it comes to trauma and the actions that follow. In Richard’s case, his life was marked by extreme instability, violence, poverty, and abuse, which undoubtedly shaped who he became. While trauma should never excuse harmful actions, it absolutely needs to be acknowledged as a significant factor in someone’s life. The hypocrisy lies in how society is willing to excuse the violent actions of some, like the Dois’ grandson or Kevin Khovananth, due to their traumatic experiences, while dismissing Richard’s struggles as irrelevant to his alleged crimes.

        Richard wasn’t an anomaly in his family; many of his siblings also turned to drugs or crime as a means of survival. He was failed at every turn, from his family environment to the social systems that should have supported him. Not everyone who experiences severe trauma goes on to harm others, but many end up hurting themselves or negatively impacting society in other ways. Dismissing his experiences or comparing them to others only diminishes the gravity of what he went through.

        Richard was, in many ways, a product of his environment—a petty thief trying to survive with the horrible hand he was dealt. There’s no evidence of violence or aggression in his official arrest records before the Night Stalker accusations. It’s not right to ignore the context of his life while excusing others for their actions under similar circumstances. The inconsistencies in how we judge people based on their trauma need to be addressed, especially in places like LA where systemic issues like poor policing and drug influxes have created such volatile environments.

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      13. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        Thank you for sharing these curious and shocking details about these victims own next of kin. Im surprised, but also not surprised that these details never made headlines. But we know that’s how media works once they decide to portray the villain. There can only be one and then once he’s catched everyone feels safe (even though the crimes continued).

        I actually think this information is valid in the context of the “night stalker” narrative because what appeared to be one bad man vs. one whole good community, may actually be a very fragmented jigsaw of a story – with lots of holes and and pieces that don’t fit when looking at the bigger picture. Wasn’t a pair of the victims also part of a notorious italian mafia? My book will arrive next week so I have yet to catch up.

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  9. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    What I dont understand until now is how could Philip Carlo systematically build Richard up as someone with sadistic , even sexual sadistic preferences ?? Did Richard know about that ? Did Richard understand how bad this could influence his life , his appeals and in general , did he understand that? What do you think about that ? Did Richard read the Script before Carlo gave it to be printed ? ? Even if its known that Richard loved Horror movies and Jack the Ripper etc…The quote of MARQUIS DE SADE as in the forword is somewhat special …Maybe he did not see this ..?

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      interesting you said these I too wonder about that myself! I tbh doubt Richard understood but I feel like maybe cuz of his love for horror and true crimes he just wanted to play that part in court and just give the people what they wanted hiding his true self, plus that Jack the Ripper quote I think I’ve never known ever writing such things only drawing of the pentagram on him self. He had a lot of cognitive struggles for sure so and that would definitely get him to not understand as much as people would think. I might be wrong tho haha

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      We don’t know what Richard knew about the Carlo book before it was published, but I assume he got more than he bargained for. His lawyers did warn him about selling his story, but he thought he could control the narrative. He was wrong. He genuinely didn’t appear to understand that he would have no control at all.
      Without having access to all of Carlo’s tapes we can’t know what else they talked about, but we can be pretty sure it was not the crimes he was convicted of; we can surmise that from his “You’re not gonna make me look bad, are ya?” If he’d made a big confession (doubtful, why would he?) then he would know that, yes, Carlo was going to make him look terrible. Perhaps that’s why he called him a “weasel”.
      Carlo had books to sell and there was a lot of money to be made, after all, he was getting the “official” story. Richard clearly told him that he did not confess to Carrillo, corroborated by Judge Nelson. I think Richard chose Carlo over Snyder (the other author he talked to in 1990) because she was very interested in his childhood and homelife, including sexual abuse.
      she asked him:
      “Could you talk about some of your childhood trauma?“ and he replied:
      “I know enough about psychoanalysis to know what you want of me. Right now, I’m strong. You want me to remember things with you, but the mind is like a jigsaw puzzle: You take one piece out, and the rest will fall apart. And where will you be then? You won’t be here to pick up the pieces.”

      All this “Jack the Ripper” stuff, and his love of rock music is just normal things that lots of people like. I’ve read plenty of books of the Ripper, and I’ve seen numerous Rock/metal bands, including AC/DC twice in the 80s. None of which make me evil. Richard carried all those labels, Satanist, killer, psycho, narcissist, and now it’s accepted as fact, regardless of anything else.

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      1. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        The question about childhood trauma infuriates me. If a mental health professional—or anyone, for that matter—sat me down and demanded that I divulge my entire childhood on the spot. I’d smack them. (sorry for the violence) No matter what Richard did or was accused of, no one has the right to force someone to open up about deeply personal experiences like that.

        Just because someone is behind bars doesn’t mean people get to dissect their life for the sake of a book or some other project. At the end of the day, Richard was still a human being, and he deserved at least a modicum of respect and dignity. It’s disgusting how people feel entitled to pick apart his entire existence without considering the impact it has on him or his story!

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Faye Snyder is a psychologist, I did her a disservice there, but she was not interviewing him in that capacity, she wasn’t retained by his lawyers as part of his appeal.

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      3. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        That makes it even worse. As a mental health professional she should’ve has some class to not outright ask those types of questions knowing how damaging it can be. “But he is a monster so who cares! “

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        From her bio “Soon, after licensure as a marriage and family therapist, Snyder opened her non-profit agency for high-conflict families, while making time to study the childhoods of serial killers and other violent criminals, as well as the childhoods of courageous, problem-solving famous people. She flew up to San Francisco weekly during the summer of 1990 to interview Richard Ramirez, aka The Night Stalker, where she discovered that, at their own expense, no one protects their parents like a serial killer.”

        That’s why he chose Carlo, Carlo didn’t delve too far into his psyche.

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      5. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Absolutely. He likely sensed that she had the ability to see through him and could potentially uncover issues he hadn’t even addressed with the appointed psychologists and psychiatrists. The prospect of being truly understood—or even exposed—might have been unsettling for him, especially given how much he tried to control the narrative around himself. It’s possible that he was afraid she could draw out things he wasn’t ready or willing to confront, which is why he may have been guarded or resistant to engaging with her on a deeper level.

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      6. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Absolutely this! Kaycee wrote this about that very thing:

        Who Will Pick Up the Pieces?

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      7. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        That’s actually one of my favorite articles on here! Kaycee wrote pretty everything I felt and thought about Richard. It was very moving to read.

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      8. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, it’s very well done.

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      9. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Yeah it was too heavy handed. It reminds me of Gil going “did your dad molest your sister” that he keeps saying in podcasts. He’s not qualified to ask such a thing. But he’s a detective; you expect them to be pigs. Coming from a psychologist, it’s a disgrace.

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      10. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        It’s troubling to hear that the judge identified numerous constitutional and due process violations in the interrogation tapes. It raises serious concerns about the integrity of the investigation and the legal process. Gil’s tendency to sexualize everyone and everything in this case is equally unsettling. It feels inappropriate and detracts from the seriousness of the situation. His behavior not only undermines the gravity of the crimes but also casts a shadow over the entire case, making it harder to trust the narrative being presented.

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    3. Vivi Avatar
      Vivi

      I personally believe that, despite everything he went through, Richard was incredibly naive and vulnerable. He struggled to set proper boundaries and, paradoxically, trusted people too easily, even with his paranoia. This made him susceptible to keeping bad company in California—people who eventually betrayed him for money, to protect themselves, or possibly even framed him.

      Richard seemed to genuinely believe that when he sat down for interviews or shared his life story with Carlo, it would be told exactly as he recounted it. He didn’t grasp that they would twist, embellish, and edit everything to fit the narrative of the ‘Night Stalker.’ The media and others were like vultures, eager for any material on him to make a quick buck—and they continue to do so.

      His lawyers advised him against engaging in interviews and against having the book written, but Richard was too stubborn to see how damaging it could be to his appeals and overall case. He simply placed too much trust in the wrong people, like the Hernandezes and the media, and it ultimately contributed to his downfall.

      Also if Carlo wrote something in the book that was inaccurate or flat out not true Richard and his family could do nothing about it and Carlo knew that. They had neither the influence or the financial resources to sue or take any sort of legal action. The unfortunate part is that everyone takes what is written as canon, even though it reads more like fiction for most of of it.

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  10. interesting-case Avatar
    interesting-case

    This is why I have great hope for this new book. Maybe, just maybe, a new discourse will be allowed to take place. It’s time. At least with this book people can at least consider a different view.

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      Yes, that was why I created this blog in the first place, and the book has gone further than that.

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  11. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    let’s just hope we are able to discuss this case without getting harassed or someone telling gily boy about this! Another thing is that people viewed Richard as master manipulator which is crazy as someone is Richard’s situation couldn’t have a the skill set of to do that he was too weak and vulnerable and naive to do such thing! And with his love for rock music who care lots of people love those even I do! I love AC/DC I’m also a huge big fan of the band! And just 3 days ago I saw Metallica! Doesn’t make me evil!

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      Carrillo knows about this blog.

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        sarah1997

        Haaha I wonder if he read it and what his reaction was like.

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        He said we were a “15 year old boy that lives in his mother’s basement”. LOL

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    2. VenningB Avatar
      VenningB

      Yes, the “smart manipulator” who played the legal system is all part of the myth. Yeah 1980s America sounds crazy with all that drama over rock bands… my uncle was into that type of music too. He was born three years after Richard. I should think a lot of young people were AC/DC fans and they were touring that year.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Exactly! Nothing wrong with that! I’m a big heavy metal fan and ac/dc fan and it kinda rude and not nice to call fans of these bands evil yes we all have a bad side but to that extent they claim is crazy! Just saw Metallica 3 days ago was awesome made my mom listen to it too 😂😂

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      2. YesIAmEvil Avatar
        YesIAmEvil

        I’m from East Germany, former GDR (and yes, I’m old). However, I have been a big AC/DC fan in the 80s. Of course our state didn’t like Western things too much and we should watch our own TV channels only, wear clothes from our country, no Levi’s etc. But I can tell you, even in the GDR you could buy the Highway to Hell album. I mean you had to get up early to be the first in the line and it was sold out in no time, but it was one of the not so many albums for which our record label got the license to produce it. I had the cassette myself. Apparently the communists didn’t fear Satan (although they changed the cover… no devil horns and pentagrams.. just black and red, no picture of the band)

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  12. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    LOOL Jay 15 year old boys?! I removed venning posted that quote of I’m correct hahaha oh that Gily boy should be a comedian about fiction rather than a cop 😂

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    sarah1997

    also you guys I’m almost down part 8!! Love this book so much I can’t thank you enough for this book and blog!!!! It’s a very special book to me and I will forever cherish it! 😢 seeing all this different view points really makes you question this case and the justice system hard!

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      I am so glad you’re still enjoying it.

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        sarah1997

        Are you kidding I can never stop enjoying this book! Great information well detailed too people NEED to read this book.

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    sarah1997

    sorry I meant to say I remember venning posting the 15 year old boy thing haha not removed ugh damn autocorrect 😂

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    sarah1997

    what I don’t get is why label people based on the music they listen to! People can love whatever music they want how should that define who a person is. If a person does bad things doesn’t mean the “music” told them to do so it’s the person themselves that choose to do these things. Music is just music!

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  16. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
    csmutny06cae8b36d

    Do satan-worshippers go to communions? The word “holy” is understood, so maybe he was faking it, lol.

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      I never really bought this whole Satan thing from Richard tbh i know he found Satan interesting but he just never seemed like a true satanist, him drawing pentagrams doesn’t really mean anything but I might be wrong, also like Satan etc… doesn’t automatically mean he’s a satanist too.

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      1. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
        csmutny06cae8b36d

        No worries, I was just being a smart- ass, lol. No, I don’t really think he was a Satanist, I do really think he was just saying it to protect him self in SQ. If he really meant it, it was probably something he got away from, just an opinion.

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      2. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Hey you are smart! Speak your mind that’s what great about this blog no one judges you here! I feel the same way o do however believe he liked Satan but maybe felt this way cuz of his childhood meaning he felt he wanted to be protected cuz he never was as a child and felt maybe Satan would protect him from get hurt. He’s not a scary guy Richard but wanted to act that way to protect himself! That’s just my opinion haha

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    sarah1997

    while reading this book the more I learn about GILY boy the more it makes me mad! It appears to be all competition for these cops, who’s cares about the investigation as long as we get recognition for our catch even if he wasn’t the night stalker! Is the attitude I see from them! Nothing makes Sense at all about anything Gil says he’s just saying words meaningless words. How were they even able to fool the jury I will beats me. It’s truly a joke to the justice system. I just now finished part 9 about the informants and alot of them claim he wasn’t or doesn’t seem like the NS. And again everything they described Richard to be doesn’t scream master criminal or NS!

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  18. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    Gily boy, too funny. 😁🤣😁🤣, I can’t stop laughing.

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      sarah1997

      right?! As I was typing that I laughing almost falling off my bed 😂

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  19. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    I ve just read the new comments and I hope too that there will be much response to the book . Its a pity I didnt read it before the Carlo book ! If read also Linendecker ,similiar to Carlo but worse. ..And a book by a woman , forgotten her name. She writes in the style of Carlo and gives an explanation of why Richard commited all those awful crimes . She claims that his behaviour and the crimes can be explained by the Theories of Lerning by psychologist W. Bandura. Some days ago I listened to the Interview with Nicolas Shrek again…He said some weird things about Richard and I was quite annoyed about that. You could sense that he didnt give a damn about what he said , and some things were just not at all true. A very unpleseant Interview.. He even claimed to believe that Richard had killed 40 people . I guess you know this Interview.. I could never imagine all this when I got to know Richard and his whole lifestory.

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      even his own niece Shelly claimed he’s probably done more killings in that interview with that YouTube thag has a 2 part video idk Richard it’s crazy what they say about Richard they lair saying the same shit GILY BOY has been saying!

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      1. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        It’s all just for fame, attention, and money. The less people acknowledge what they say the less you will hear from them. I’m personally skeptical about everything his nieces say because they were fairly young when Richard was arrested. But I’m not one to outright call people liars either without proper proof.

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        sarah1997

        Totally agree with you!! This whole case became a joke and still is! Look how many movies and documentaries are there and still yet to come! Even the American horror story season 9 I think had Richard in it with his love for “Satan” they made him look like crazy satanic lover they made him look really bad! With his nieces and his brother Robert and his wife I never ever believed a single word they said and still don’t. First off Shelly claimed he molested her in prison why on earth would a guard allow a child to go near a convicted person even if it’s his own family and on top of that a child?! And to be alone with him? 2. Why would you aunt force you to watch him master bate or jerk off as she claimed while the other aunt his wife I think eating cookies?! Doesn’t makes sense at all! And with his brother who was suffering from schizophrenia claimed he killed a police dog. That’s a Criminal offence and it would have been on his records which it was not! And even his family said that it didn’t happen as Jay told me. Which his schizophrenia a lot of hallucinations can occur if I’m correct. Shelly even claimed and admitted in an interview with a YouTuber that she did sell his stuff for money and she seemed proud of that.

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      3. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        If feel exactly the same about it.

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      ~ Jay ~

      This “40 people” is often repeated without a shred of evidence or proper information. Just more horseshit repeated and repeated, ad nauseum, until it’s accepted as gospel.

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  20. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    Something I’ve always wondered is how many other people did they “railroad” like Richard?

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      interesting-case

      Hundreds if not thousands. I watched “The Innocence Files” on Netflix and learned a lot about how easily one can mistakenly identify the wrong person at a line-up just soley based on having similar ethnicity or facial features. The examples mentioned in the show were in my opinion ridiculously similar to each other (almost like doppelgangers) and I don’t think I would be able to tell them apart after a traumatic event.

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      1. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Eyewitness identification should be approached with caution. In most cases, when people experience violent encounters, their primary focus is on survival and protecting themselves, rather than on memorizing the distinguishing features of their attacker. This makes it difficult for them to accurately identify suspects later on. Additionally, our memories aren’t photographic, so they don’t capture every detail as it is. That said, eyewitness identification is still important and has played a crucial role in finding, apprehending, and convicting many individuals. However, it should be supported by other strong evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime.

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      2. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        it’s crazy to misidentify a suspect i understand the victims get trauma but still it’s wrong and to lead the victims into picking the wrong suspect and playing with their emotions and memories just so they can pick the guy in this case Richard cuz they were so desperate to wanting him to be guilty! While the real killer(s) are were still out there committing more crimes a young juvenile needing love happiness support proper guidance etc… was on that cell and court room suffering!! That’s so wrong on so many levels eveytime I think about what Richard went through I burst out with so many emotions especially anger and sadness!

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        ~ Jay ~

        I saw that too. It demonstrated what Dr Kathy Pezdek said about cross-racial identification being really difficult.

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  21. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I’m sure they railroaded alot of people and still will! Richard was just a big one! That’s why this book is so important it’s appeasing awareness for Richard so that people can understand and see things differently and also to be aware that not everyone wants good for you aka GILY BOY! And how much we have to improve the justice system so no one can suffer like Richard did! We have to fight not stand down that’s how they gain power and control over us by also silencing us! Justice for Richard, his family and the victims!

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    sarah1997

    I get it that the victims were traumatized but still it’s wrong to misidentify a suspect when you know very well it’s not him! They played with the victims minds their memories and emotions all so they can pick Richard! That’s wrong on so many levels to be that desperate to mislead victims coaching them into picking someone who was suffering, Brian damaged, in need of love happiness support proper health proper guidance and proper care and protection. I don’t even want to think about what Richard went through in court or on the streets it makes me cry, this isn’t justice at all! The victims themselves seemed unsure of their choice they kept saying “ I think it’s #2” doesn’t really seem confident to me that he’s he was the guy. Also why were they scared or showed fear when in front of Richard or like when they saw him in court might me wrong about this part but just what I noticed!

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  23. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    The name of the writers name is Winona Motley .Her book is cslled ‘ Born or Made . All those authors claim that Richard was guilty . Nicolas Shrek even said that in this Interview. So there is a lot stigmatisation going on and most people really believe what is written.

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  24. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Yes , his own niece Shelley conveys the opinion that Richard was guilty and that he ” needed help “. ..I ve read the chapter about the San Francisco crime. I think it s so well written and its easy to understand , so that could help to change the thinking about Richard having done that ! But I probably will never accept him spending 27 years in prison without adäquat support.

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  25. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Now , I hope you can make as much promotion for your book as possible. Maybe you can make contact with TV channels ? Here in Germany are some TV chanels which are critical and open minded for such themes .

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      sarah1997

      I hope so too! They need to talk about this case it’s important! This book is very important too! People need to read it and see this side to the case instead of the lying side. Idk if there are any good channels or podcast that would allow them to show their point and investigation but I sure hope there is! These 3 have put in so much work on this blog book and investigation is has to be known not hidden! The truth shall come out!

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      Believe it or not, the three of us are quite reticent about anything like that, we’re quite quiet people and definitely do not trust any sort of media.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        honestly with this crazy media shit and for this case especially I totally agree with you 3 I totally respect that. But still you 3 deserve a lot more than you think you did an amazing thing!

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  26. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I totally agree with you venning! I’ve seen a lot of comments on YouTube where they compare their lives or other peoples lives to Richard stated that they had the same shit happen to them but yet they didn’t turn out to be killers or whatever! To me this is so selfish they want every excuse to make Richard the bad guy! It’s not his fault I don’t blame Richard for anything! Even I was talking a little about his case with my mother and even she feels so sad for and told me it’s not his fault! Stop judging a person life it’s annoying and makes me angry! And especially stop comparing your life with Richard’s! Eveyone is built different everyone overcomes and reacts differently to situations! Ask yourself this, do you have a messed up family as Richard did? Did you have a crazy cousin teaching you bad person things and shooting his wife right infront of you? Did you have siblings hurting you? Did you and your entire family suffer from mental health problems or was it just you? Did you have siblings teaching you how to properly get high and do drugs and on top of that introduce you to a criminal?

    did you have a brother in law teaching you how to peak through windows and siblings teaching you how to pick a car lock and steal it?! Kids look up to their older siblings and cousins thinking they can’t do anything wrong! He was constantly abused and alone no support or anything health was very bad the list goes on! So why compare yourself with Richard huh?! Leave the guy alone! He’s never had the support he needed to help change his path in life like others do that’s another thing support! Others are fine cuz they have the right support Richard didn’t!

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  27. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    This might be a stupid question, but do you guys have any more information on the Holiday Inn incident where he was accused of attacking a woman, but they didn’t want to stay and testify?

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      We found nothing. It’s not in his juvenile records, and it should be, if it happened, surely.
      His TYC records also have no information, either, and there he shared a room with other boys, which would be unlikely to happen if they’d had evidence that he was prone to sexual violence. We found nothing in the local papers either.
      Carlo is the first time I’ve seen it mentioned.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        nothing seems to be shown on his records of the things he was accused of they can’t just say he did that without proof and evidence and also it’s not even in his records which means he didn’t do it!

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Could it possibly be another story that was embellished by Carlo?

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      3. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I reckon it is. Like the one where he supposedly raped a woman in an LA hotel. In 39 years, no woman has come forward to say that she too was his victim

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        Vivi

        I agree seeing as everyone and their uncle is coming out with stories about him it wouldn’t make sense that they would hide it.

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        You’d imagine that by now the arrest record would be attached to his other records.
        It seems a convenient way to bridge the transformation from hopeless, drug addicted thief into a violent murderer and rapist.
        Without the records it’s impossible to know. Carlo did fictionalise a lot in his book.

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        Vivi

        Absolutely. He knew that an innocent man’s life was in his hands, and yet he chose to fabricate every aspect of it. While Richard may have committed petty theft, I believe he was not inherently violent unless provoked into self-defense. It’s appalling how much control these people had over his life and narrative. Just because someone is a social outcast or struggles with addiction doesn’t automatically mean they possess violent tendencies. The way his story was manipulated is a stark reminder of how society can quickly demonize those who don’t fit the mold, twisting their image to suit a narrative rather than seeking the truth. It’s deeply troubling that Richard’s vulnerability and struggles were used against him, not just in the court of law but in the court of public opinion as well. The people who had power over his life chose to exploit it rather than seek justice, and that’s a tragedy in itself.

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        randomuser

        Cops looked through his previous records following 1985 arrest. If they were to find something like an attempted rape charge, they wouldn’t waste a second to publicize it and say, “See, he was prone to sexual violence since his teen years”. I don’t want to soun so sure, but no way they’d miss a chance to let everyone know.

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      8. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        You’re right, they’d have publicised it. It’s very odd, because even those crimes he did in his youth (theft) that never made it to court are still on his record. But not that.

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        VenningB

        Definitely. The Los Angeles press interviewed El Paso’s chief of police and all he mentioned was his petty crime rap sheet.

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  28. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    also another thing he was accused of is those 2 teenage girls in the elevator. If he did that how come those two girl didn’t come to the police station if they saw him on tv they would have for sure recognized him for sure if he did truly do that! He was known to be very shy around girls not violent or aggressive! Another one of Carlos fantasies. He also didn’t have this accusation on his records. Lies and lies and more lies poor Richard

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      VenningB

      I honestly think these claims are just “friends” of his trying to he relevant and pretending they had insider knowledge from him. That way they get to be on TV.

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        sarah1997

        It’s crazy how everyone just used him for their own gain. Anything they should be questioned and investigated properly! Cuz all we’ve been hearing are lies. That even when the truth comes out no one knows then what to believe anymore no one will know who Richard truly was as a person which was nothing at all like how the media showed him to be or portrayed him to be so now Richard’s true self is now vanishing cuz of all those lies

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        VenningB

        I often see people say “why would they lie? They have nothing to gain from lying.”

        They do. Attention, TV appearances, to hurt someone, to make themselves seem important, to sell stories. People who think someone would lie for no reason are naive.

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        sarah1997

        Exactly!! They also make ya know free money cuz he was worth I think like $10k no wait maybe more forgot, but still and they wanted to feel that sympathy from other people maybe? It’s all so obvious why they are out there spreading lies you can’t trust your some of your friends and even some family members and this was Richard’s case for sure! You will see the same people of friends and family of Richard’s constantly of tv or YouTube!

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        sarah1997

        what’s crazy is that no matter what you tell these people about the lies his so called friends have said even if we have proof of these being false, they will always believe them over us cuz knowing them they will assume us of being groupies and fan girls and also that we are the ones that’s lying which we are not! They are ghat naive to Believing those lies that’s it’s all stuck in their minds!

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        Attention is a helluva drug to many.

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  29. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    this might be a stupid example but I felt like those friends or family members of Richard’s talking like that about him feels like siblings tbh like 2 toddlers one pretends to hurt cries to gain attention and sympathy for the parents get their booboos kissed and while doing so blames it on the other toddler without proof or anything! Idk this might be a dumb example 😂 this is just how I saw it tbh

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    sarah1997

    I feel like maybe Because Richard already had a criminal record or was a petty criminal already but still a criminal it was also easy to pin crimes on him cuz he again was already a criminal so it was more believable!

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      Vivi

      Yea he was the perfect scapegoat for them. He was a loner, drug addicted, poverty-stricken, mentally-ill, he had a criminal record, and most of all naive.

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        sarah1997

        Exactly! Excuses just to take hm!

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        They needed someone to take the fall cause they were wholly inept at finding the true culprits of these awful crimes. It was mostly public hysteria and pressure.

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        sarah1997

        It makes me very angry that that stupid things like this happen! This book and blog is soooooo important

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    Vivi

    Something that I’ve thought about often is that Richard had a lot of underage sexual encounters with women and possibly men as well. In some of these letters he seems to look back at these experiences candidly and proudly, but in others he seem hesitant to talk about them. But his groupies and fangirls seem to sexualize and fantasize about these experiences. It really grosses me out. He was freakin 9 during one of these encounters! Even if he consented it would still be considered rape because CHILDREN CAN NOT CONSENT! When I heard that his brothers and cousins were taking him to Juarez to sleep with prostitutes. I was honestly at a loss for words. I’m not sure if this was considered normal in the 60s and 70s, but exposing children to such experiences without proper education inevitably leads to a range of emotional, physical, and mental issues. It distorts their understanding of relationships and can cause lasting damage. It’s hard to comprehend how no one noticed the harm being done and intervened. How could his family have been so blind to what was happening?

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    sarah1997

    my question is what wasn’t there anyone watching him as a kid?!

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      Vivi

      I know that the family temporarily employed maids and servants. But they didn’t seem to take their jobs seriously and the parents frequently left him in the care of his older siblings, which is never a good idea. Children can not take care or children, not only that they all had some sort of handicap or disability.

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        I think they had a baby-sitter but that didn’t last too long. Rosa took care of Richard.

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        sarah1997

        I understand why they did that?! And I’m top of that they even allowed him alone sign his crazy cousin!

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        Vivi

        His father probably thought that because Miguel came back as a military hero that he would’ve been a good influence. But Miguel seemed to be someone who was prone to violence and criminal behavior since he was young. As a parent I would’ve made more of a effort to keep my child seperated from such a individual.

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        VenningB

        They always make excuses that absolved them of neglect. “I was at work (providing nothing).” “Miguel took him from outside school so we couldn’t stop it.” “Richard didn’t want to see doctors.” But when it’s the third son you’ve lost control of, it’s clearly a parenting problem

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        sarah1997

        Same! And what parents also think abusing you kids would straighten them up?!

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        Vivi

        For that time period, it was common for parents to use physical punishment as a way to discipline their children. In Hispanic culture, especially, there’s an expectation of total obedience from children. However, if physical discipline didn’t work for the older boys in the family, it’s reasonable to expect that it wouldn’t be effective for the youngest either.

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        sarah1997

        I hate that tho! Abuse is never the answer for your child or anyone! They should have known that if this never worked for 2 of their older sons what makes them think it would work for their youngest one?! Look at all that trauma it caused Richard and what it lead him to do! He slept in his car outside his house rather than his parents house inside! He ended up moving with his sister who seemed to be the only one who cared enough about him but yet had her own struggles with mental health problems therefore couldn’t do very much for him! If parents can’t be responsible enough to help their child don’t have them in the first place! Every child needs their parents love and support Richard needed that the most! He never knew how to love himself cuz who should him how? No one did! Why else would you think he didn’t care what happened to him in prison or didn’t care about taking care of himself on the streets!

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I completely agree. People often don’t consider the full weight of responsibility before having children, and I’ve faced backlash for suggesting that individuals should have their lives in order—financially, professionally, and relationally—before starting a family. While parents can’t shield their children from every hardship, they can certainly minimize it by providing a stable environment and being thoughtful about when they choose to have kids. Bringing a human being into the world is a huge responsibility; the way you treat and raise them not only impacts their life but also their community. There’s no perfect way to raise a child, nor is there a handbook, but physical abuse never solves the problem. It either drives the child into isolation and sadness or fosters violence and resentment. When parents set proper boundaries and allow their children some freedom, those children are more likely to respect the rules and grow into well-adjusted individuals.

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        sarah1997

        I completely agree with you and believe the same way! Before have kids set up your life first no one is saying never to have kids, but have kids properly by having enough money for support and especially having a mental problems fixed as well so your kids don’t get hurt cuz Richard’s dad had problems too

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      10. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Just coming in with a book recommendation for you all.

        This is vaguely based on the Night Stalker crimes, it’s set in Orange County in 85. I thought it was a brilliant book, and is very much character led.
        It’s showed how we treat our children matters..
        https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/alan-drew/shadow-man/9781786493330?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_sq2BhCUARIsAIVqmQs09p8cZMrwWkCh814N2vjgOk32ShklFvsfqeyZ2IBCSFQJIDbY5r8aAssCEALw_wcB#GOR013630726

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        Vivi

        I’ll check it out!

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      12. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I still need to read this! I started it but didn’t get far.

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      13. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        It was so good but very sad, too. His other one, “The Recruit” is equally well done.

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        VenningB

        I agree. You need to have your own home first. Not be moving from lodging to lodging every year with small babies. The Ramirez birth certificates show they were in a different apartment every time they had a child. Which was once per year.
        I know it was pre-contraception and they were Catholics who might not have used it anyway, but it makes me ask “WHY ARE YOU BREEDING?”

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        Vivi

        My parents were actually the same age as Richard’s parents when they got married and had my older sister, and their living and financial situation was unstable at the time. However, before they had me and my younger sister, they took the time to sort all of that out. My life hasn’t been perfect, and my upbringing had its challenges, but compared to the children of people who were in similar situations as my parents, I think I turned out alright. Everyone makes mistakes, but what matters is learning from them and striving to improve. They continued with the same pattern and expected different results.

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        The Ramirez family couldn’t afford proper dental care for their offspring, Mercedes had to carry on working through a difficult pregnancy because they couldn’t afford for her loss of income. Ignacio, at 11, went alone to hospital for an operation because she couldn’t afford to lose pay.
        I know Richard referred to a maid in a letter, but I cannot even think they ever had one.
        No family statements mention maids taking care of the house, just the babysitter, who was around until he was about 3, I think.
        I wonder, if, rather than a maid abusing him, it was the guy who abused his brothers.

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        Vivi

        If it was the guy that abused him Richard either didn’t remember the experience, blocked it out, or felt embarrassed or ashamed to mention it.

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        I think that’s a possibility, definitely.
        Ignacio said the guy had the opportunity but Richard never admitted it had happened to him.

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        Vivi

        As I said before I really wish that they would’ve held off on having kids until their financial situation improved. Obviously, finances are not the only important thing for a child’s development. But kids from impoverished households go on to live very unstable lives.

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        Three sons and various cousins (not just Miguel) all turned to crime and drugs.
        What a mess.

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        VenningB

        Something is wrong with El Paso. Like Richard said in his meetings with the TYC admissions people, there was nothing for youths. He had all these recreation ideas. When you’ve got so many people doing drugs and dossing around the neighborhood something needs to happen at government level. I can’t help thinking the neglect was deliberate because the city was 60% mexican

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        At 17 he was already talking about the need for prison reform.

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        VenningB

        I’m gonna say it, at risk of being accused of an “apologist” and “infantiliser” but throughout that whole thing, he came across very sweet.

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        They said he had potential and “charisma”.

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    interesting-case

    Maybe it’s my background witnessing the generation before me… but people born around 1960’s, many of them had such messed up childhoods. So Im not at all shocked by the SA or exposure to such. Everyone talks about boomers being priviledged cunts with all the wealth ect but the ones I know grew up impovrished with a lot of SA, abuse and substances, no child care policy, no daycare, no safety. Nothing. I can sort of understand why the 80’s was the age of killings because the 60-70’s were really messed up. Kids those days couldn’t just use computers to find friends and games for escapism. They were stuck in their small town or village with limited resources of everything.

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      Yes. Domestic abuse, too. There was a lack of help, resources and care.

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      VenningB

      And a lot of them were made to go into the military for a few years. I think that messed them up. I think in the 70s, it was the first time both parents worked so there was a lot of neglect.

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      Vivi

      I’ve done extensive research trying to understand why the late ’70s and ’80s were marked by such intense violence and hysteria, but I’ve never found a definitive answer. There were so many factors at play—rapid social, political, and economic changes—that it’s hard to pinpoint a single cause. It’s interesting that today, we don’t hear about the same type of violence, perhaps because people have become more adept at covering their tracks.

      While people often romanticize the ’80s because of the pop culture boom, the reality is far darker. The decade was plagued by mass murders, serial killers, and cults. It was a turbulent time, especially for those who didn’t have access to proper education or resources. Richard Ramirez and others from his generation had it rough, growing up in a period of extreme instability. While there’s still plenty of instability now, it doesn’t compare to what Richard and his peers experienced during their adolescence and young adulthood.

      Side note:

      Many of the criticisms of Boomers being privileged and out of touch often come from my generation (Gen Z). While it’s important to acknowledge that my generation has faced its own set of challenges, I also recognize that we’ve been given many advantages. Technological innovations have made life more accessible, allowing us to lead happier, healthier, and more fulfilling lives. However, because we’ve had these conveniences, I feel that when faced with difficulties, we sometimes struggle to cope and may fall into despair over problems that could have simpler solutions.

      I’m not trying to downplay the struggles my generation has gone through, but it’s clear that we don’t have the same level of resilience as previous generations. The harsh criticisms we often direct at earlier generations, like the Boomers, sometimes feel like a form of projection, reflecting our own frustrations rather than a fair assessment of their experiences.

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        VenningB

        I need to do some research into this as well. I want to write a fiction version of all this. I always thought the 80s looked like shit. In Britain, I associate it with strikes, riots, horrible government, mass unemployment. AIDS. I guess it was similar in America.

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        I lived through the 80s as a young person, and some of it was shit and some of it wasn’t.
        I was lucky, though, I had a good upbringing and didn’t live in a city.

        Politically it was a shit show, but I was very young and didn’t pay much attention.

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        Vivi

        I think capitalism and materialism are also contributing factors.

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    interesting-case

    Yes, and they were the generation who were told to suck it up and leave pity city. That generation suppressing their traumas because that’s all they were taught.

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      sarah1997

      I agree but it can be cultural too, some cultures don’t take mental health seriously, some cultures just leave their small child alone with their older siblings it’s crazy but true! Some cultures judge people with mental health problems etc…

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      Definitely.
      Men came home from WW2 fucked up, there was little or no help.
      Men returned from Vietnam, also messed up, and again there was little help.
      A ticking time bomb of suppressed trauma, anger and probably madness.

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        sarah1997

        but what I don’t get is when he was ya the TYC why didn’t they give him a chance to get help from there?! Like why didn’t they even look at him and say we need to help this kid?! They (TYC) just left him there why didn’t they pay any close attention to him! If he was helped there with his mental problems and trauma I’m sure he would have stopped stealing and would have been something different he need support and so much more! One of his brothers even claimed that Richard and his siblings fooled around just to get their parents attention and that to me tell me there wasn’t love at all for a child to do that just to get love from their parents is so sad! And their parents have their attention to only one of their brother which again is sad! You desided to have 5 kids so that means you have to give them qual love and attention especially to those that need such as Richard why else would he have said on the Watkiss interview “I have up on love and happiness a long time ago” he wouldn’t have said that for no reason!

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        VenningB

        There were ideas floating about, like him teaching karate when he came out. He liked art etc. But there doesn’t seem to have been much effort to put him on any courses. I bet they’re released without follow-up and churned out into society while other similar kids take their place in the reform school. Like they can’t cope with the level of poverty-related crime.

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        sarah1997

        It’s so sad tho! And with the karate thing of his family lived very bad poverty how could they even afford classes for Richard? And I’ve never also heard of Richard teaching anyone even in his adult years karate. They should have had a follow up with him for sure! But why didn’t they? Is it cuz he’s poor? Mexican? Troubled person?

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    Vivi

    I believe the TYC’s lack of effective support for his betterment largely comes down to insufficient funding. The government often creates social and rehabilitation programs but fails to provide the necessary funding or resources to make a real impact in impoverished communities. Additionally, even today, there’s a lack of education on how to properly rehabilitate “troubled” children. A multitude of factors need to be addressed before they are reintegrated into society.

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      sarah1997

      and that’s the bad thing! That’s the thing we need to work on funding more and recognizing young people in need of rehabilitation! To help them find a better path in life people always say family is family they abuse cuz they care it’s wrong but they care ummmm no! To me that doesn’t show you love your child you abuse them to the point where they get very bad trauma where they find comfort from drugs?! They have for sleep in cars instead of inside your house etc… that’s to me doesn’t at all scream I love you my child! People always find excuses for the parents behaviour towards their child like oh that child deserves it blah blah blah! NO!

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    sarah1997

    also you guys I’m on like part 11 of the book so much information this are is really crazy and was truly very unfair! Kangaroo court and railroading it for sure was! They failed in many many places especially with the jurors they should have asked them if they read or seen anything about this case cuz they apparently aren’t allowed but few of them did yet no one questioned it or anything especially his lawyers omggggthis book is addictive and amazing

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      Vivi

      They were wholly inept to take on such a high profile case. Their greed got the best of them and they screwed up the lives of so many people.

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        The more research I did the more disgusted and horrified I became.
        It blows my mind that these were allowed anywhere near this case.

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        Vivi

        His family should have done more research. But I feel like they were desperate at that point and those two clowns preyed on that desperation. A fair judge would’ve booted them out and found an alternative solution especially after the separate agreement with the family came to light.

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        ~ Jay ~

        They mistakenly trusted Manuel Barraza in his recommendation of Daniel and Arturo Hernandez. Big mistake!

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        sarah1997

        Exactly! They were so obsessed with the satanic aspect rather than fully understanding what’s going on it scared them the media and cops especially GILY not hyped it up too much to probably ignore the important stuff and focus on this useless aspect

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    sarah1997

    Jay how can you not be discussed at this case and with the research you’ve done all 3 of you! This is the most messed up case I’ve ever seen on true crime cases crazy and bazaar what kind of world is this!!

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    sarah1997

    also how many books other than the one you just sent Jay do you guys recommend us reading that doesn’t have fiction written over it?

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      The one I recommend is fiction, but it’s well worth a read.

      Another non fiction worth reading is:
      “Inside the Cell: the Dark Side of Forensic DNA” by Erin E Murphy.
      Very disturbing.
      And:
      “I’ll Be Gone in the Dark” by Michelle McNamara.
      Also non fiction. It’s about the hunt for The Golden State Killer.

      I do not recommend anything I’ve seen about Richard. The trial section in Carlo’s book is worth looking at but that’s all.

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        sarah1997

        Thank you so much! I’ll give them a read after I’m done with your guys book your book is of course my 1st priority!

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        ~ Jay ~

        The one about DNA is a big eye opener.. and not in a good way.

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        sarah1997

        I bet cuz DNA can be used for good and dark so it’s scary dealing with DNA for sure.

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        Vivi

        “Inside the Cell: The Dark Side of Forensic DNA” by Erin E. Murphy was an eye-opening read that challenged my perception of forensic science. While forensics has undoubtedly been invaluable in solving countless cases, the book reveals that it is far from infallible. Murphy delves into the unsettling reality that forensic DNA evidence, often seen as the gold standard in criminal investigations, is not always as reliable as we are led to believe. The book highlights how law enforcement and attorneys can manipulate DNA results, presenting them to juries in ways that are not always accurate or scientifically sound. This manipulation can have profound consequences, leading to wrongful convictions or miscarriages of justice. It’s disturbing to think about the potential flaws in a system we often trust without question, making this book an essential read for anyone interested in the complexities of forensic science and the criminal justice system.

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        Exactly. You can see why it’s an important read.

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    sarah1997

    this whole case and what happened to Richard etc… is really making me emotional, I’m filled rn with wil sadness anger hate etc…. Idk what to do or think it’s just so sad how he was railroaded and along with everything else that happened

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    sarah1997

    DNA is very important and fragile once it’s contaminated without DNA it’s impossible to split the two DNA apart to individually investigate them. How many people very wrongful convicted like Richard cuz of DNA who knows and this is still happening!

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      Vivi

      I don’t think that it’s widely known that the Mei Leung DNA sample (if that’s the one you are talking about) was a mixed sample. But even if people knew they would choose to believe that he is guilty anyways because they are incapable of doing independent thinking and analysis.

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        VenningB

        No, I think it’s only us round here that know it was mixed.

        I had some self-proclaimed expert tell me that his DNA was found at multiple crime scenes the other day. With those comments coming from “experts” (read unknown podcaster that no one likes), there is no way they’d know the intricacies of the Leung case.

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        sarah1997

        Yes that’s the case I meant! Do you think they hid the fact it was mixed and unreliable and made people just believe them my begging them it’s Richard’s DNA, but the other suspect wasn’t named cuz something was wrong like it was false positive? The mei Leung case still confuses me

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        Vivi

        The reason given for withholding the name of the other person involved was that he was a juvenile at the time the crime occurred, which is utterly ludicrous. He’s not a juvenile anymore, and being a juvenile doesn’t necessarily mean he was a child. It’s shocking that more people aren’t questioning this decision. Furthermore, the DNA expert who worked on the case described the explanation provided by the SFPD for the second DNA finding as “gibberish.” This raises serious concerns about transparency and accountability in the investigation.

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        Yeah, that was Rockne Harmon, a consultant on the Mei Leung case.

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        Vivi

        Honestly, I have serious doubts that they even found his DNA—there’s also the possibility that it could have been planted. This case has really made me question everything law enforcement says and does. It’s unsettling to think about how easily evidence can be manipulated or misrepresented, which makes it difficult to trust the integrity of the entire process.

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        I can’t trust a word they say, at all. The convenience of this, the timing, the double standards. The flawed profile for the second profile, but Richard’s wasn’t.

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        sarah1997

        That’s seriously crazy and so not fair for Richard I remember if I’m correct that Richard’s DNA matched but the other guys didn’t how is that even possible it would Both be a false positive since it was very contaminated.

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        Vivi

        I’m curious about who leaked the information and why. While I’m glad it’s finally out, providing us with more context, I can’t help but wonder what motivated someone to release it after four years.

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        I don’t know the answer to that. There’s a clip of Carrillo from a news programme where he’s asked whether it’s possible Ramirez had an “accomplice”. The answer was, no definitely not.
        It obviously begs the question of how reliable was the science; if SFPD put out that it was a “false positive” for the second sample, it kind of undermines the findings relating to the first.

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        Vivi

        Richard having an “accomplice” would have shattered the carefully crafted image of him as a lonesome, shadowy figure, so it’s no surprise that Carrillo would deny it.

        If DNA evidence yields different results upon reanalysis, that sample should be deemed unreliable. Forensic evidence must produce consistent results to be considered valid. It’s likely that the sample wasn’t preserved or stored properly, leading to further contamination over the decades.

        What baffles me even more is why they didn’t test her clothes. It’s hard to believe that the killer(s) or rapist(s) would only leave DNA on a small handkerchief. There must have been something on her clothing, but we’ll probably never know due to their incompetence.

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        It’s very murky and unclear. Mei’s clothes were piled up in the yard, the handkerchief discovered by the trash bins. Protocol in the 80s isn’t like it is today, and we don’t know how this evidence was handled or preserved. Or why her remaining clothes weren’t treated in the same way. Or maybe they were but they got nothing from them.

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        Mixed samples are very difficult to ‘tease apart’, owing to how the alleles are all mixed together.

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        sarah1997

        And why after he died too it’s like a lot of things are known now but only after he died!

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        Vivi

        I think they got lazy in covering things up after he died. But idk honestly.

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        sarah1997

        No no I bet that’s what it was they Must have been thinking also like ok now he’s dead so anyone defending him trying to spread the truth or clear his name it won’t be possible cuz even if they do that he’s dead and can’t be free so we can’t do anything about it sadly cuz poor Richard is dead now

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        They downplayed that, that’s why. The police knew in 2009 it was mixed, and then when they got the second hit from Codis in 2012, they said nothing. Until it got leaked to the press in 2016. They hid it for four years. Then declared it a faulty sample.
        Just unbelievable.

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        Vivi

        My heart goes out to little Mei and her family. I genuinely believe they were never told the full truth about what happened to her or who was responsible. It’s infuriating that the authorities were able to deceive everyone and blatantly manipulate the results. It feels like a complete disregard for justice and an act of pure laziness.

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        VenningB

        That’s the worst thing. Telling them it’s solved when it’s not and there’s another suspect floating around. It’s cruel on the family.

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        Vivi

        I feel the same way for the NS victims and their families.

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        VenningB

        The Tsai Lian Yu case bothers me because it wasn’t anything like the others, the witnesses lied. And it’s case closed. What disgusting lazy policing. Not from the Monterey Park detectives who originally had the case, but the LASD who ‘stole’ it.

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        Vivi

        After reading that part of the book the first thing that went through my brain was that it had to be a lover or a stalker of some sort. I’m sure if they had looked at her social circle they would’ve gotten better leads. But no they just had to pin it on the NS even though it didn’t fit his MO at all.

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        That’s the craziest thing of all; to convict for second degree murder based on the assumption it was a “lover’s quarrel”, without any attempt to show that Yu even knew Ramirez, let alone was his lover.

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        Vivi

        I honestly wonder which police academy these people attended because their diplomas should have been revoked. It’s mind-boggling how poorly they handled everything. From my perspective, everyone involved in this trial was utterly incompetent.

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    Isabella 99

    I ve just read chapter 15 …It s about Richie and I must admit I had tears in my eyes once or twice. For example when I think about his nutrition …and those distgusting comments on You Tube about his Hygiene and his teeth and that he was ALWAYS hungry !! When he was in TYC one or two people there said that he had Charisma and good looks and that he had good ideas…what is said about him makes it clear that he actually was really sweet natured , as his mother ( and some others ) had described him .Its about time that people get to know the many facettes of Richard Ramirez !

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      sarah1997

      very true indeed! People need to know these things they can’t just accept the lies said about Richard do proper research people!

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      Yes, we all found that section extremely challenging. It’s a hard read and so much of it left out of any narrative about the case.

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    sarah1997

    wait venning what do you mean his DNA was found in multiple crime scenes that paragraph you just mentioned about the expert?

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      VenningB

      It wasn’t, it was just something the so-called expert believed, because she knows nothing!

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        sarah1997

        Ohhhh ok got it. Idk why people just automatically believe there words instead of do thing their proper research and investigations! The media and cops hiding a lot of truth and important facts and information should automatically tell you that there’s something wrong with this case and it wasn’t handled properly!

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        Because people want to believe the worst. They love a monster.

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        sarah1997

        I wish there was a way to get them to see the other side but like you said once’s they have a fixed mindset it’s hard to change it. I wish people can give the other side a chance and see how much lies and faults there are and BS and see how much the justice system should changed etc…. I know people want this monster but that’s just wrong to do that to someone especially in Richard’s case poor guy

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    Isabella 99

    The lack of parental guidance is so obvious when you read about him always being hungry ..and eating chocolate and candies the whole day , Washing it down with liters of warm Coca Cola …! Chapter 15 is really hard to read , I warn you …

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      sarah1997

      I’ve already cried while reading this book Ik I’m getting cry more till the end

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    Isabella 99

    And ..it also made me sad and angry to realize that Richard was sexualised from the age of nine. The amount of really weird , inaproppriate things he experienced is just not normal for a little boy . I think it couldnt have been worse for him ..and there was more to come , as we know. I m telling his Story to all my friends etc. And I hope his Image can be changed to the better , even when he s not among us anymore..

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    sarah1997

    haha omg we have so many comments over 400 😂

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    Isabella 99

    People should STOP judging him as they haven t got the slightest idea. His life differs so much from ‘ordinary ‘people ..As he said himself : You dont understand me.

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    sarah1997

    So sorry I’m asking so many questions! 😅

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    interesting-case

    Gah!! I see some spoilers here guys! My book arrives end of next week so I had to scroll past some of your last posts made here to not spoil the chapters. I’ll join the discussion after I catch up with my book! 📖 🙈✌🏼

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      sarah1997

      omg I’m so sorry 😅 ok we will not talk about the book I totally forgot some of you haven’t gotten their book yet!

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    sarah1997

    I’ll tell ya only one spoiler about this book tho! IT’S AN AMAZING BOOK!!!!!😁

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    sarah1997

    as venning said it’s only us around here that knows the mei Leung case was a mixed DNA makes me baffled how come only us?! Others should know this important truth!

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