ODD ONE OUT

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The Night Stalker cases should have been split into separate trials to prevent a joinder or “spill-over” where evidence from another case is used to suggest a connection to another. There are several ways to divide the cases. This post will focus on those where Ramirez was prosecuted for rape-burglaries: Kyle, Dickman, Khovananth and Abowath.

It is perhaps tempting to assume all four of these attacks were committed by the same man, by the nature of the crime and because all four women described a slim/thin man with curly or wavy hair. But is it possible that they were two, three or even four different men?

GEOGRAPHY

Location is important when looking for serial killer patterns. In his declaration, forensic psychologist Steve Strong noted that some attacks were not in Los Angeles County and there was no pattern to the locations. Of these four, two were in Los Angeles city, and two were in Los Angeles County.

They are also very different places: Kyle’s home on N. Avon St, Burbank is a middle-class but densely populated area with larger houses. The Khovananth home on Schoenborn St, Sun Valley is also densely populated, but is less tree-lined and attractive. To the east lies a huge power station and gas works. Similarly, Dickman’s house in Monterey Park is close to land owned by San Gabriel electricity* that is full of pylons. Diamond Bar is very suburban and middle class with houses spaced further apart, hills and more green spaces. If this was the same rapist, he was unbothered by the different types of location and confident of escaping different types of homes: Kyle’s house was two storeys high, more difficult to escape than the other scenes, all bungalows.

As for their descriptions of his appearance, they might have attributes in common, but there was always an odd one out. It is commonly reported that the Night Stalker was famous for his bad teeth and halitosis, but what did these rape survivors say about that?

TEETH

  1. Kyle – straight, white, excessive gums
  2. Dickman – no mention – despite the Night Stalker’s teeth being so ‘distinctive’.
  3. Khovananth – stained with gaps, particularly between the front two. This is close to Richard Ramirez’s teeth at that time.
  4. Abowath – wide front teeth, no gaps, but she later changed her description to “crooked and stained” and “something strange about his teeth.”

So, that leads you to think that at two of them definitely saw the same man – the two whose crimes were almost identical. Khovananth and Abowath both lost their husbands to close-range gunshot wounds. This brings us to the hair, commonly reported as “dishevelled.” But this is what they really said.

HAIR

  1. Kyle – Black, wavy and side-parted, shiny and clean. He had bangs/a fringe swept to one side.
  2. Dickman – curly, dark brown.
  3. Khovananth – curly, brown.
  4. Abowath – curly, blonde or light brown.

There we have three different hair colours, a discrepancy excused by the poor light quality, although Dickman and Abowath said they saw him standing under the bathroom light and it was daylight by the end of the Khovananth attack. They had a clear view of the attacker’s hair.

EYES

  1. Kyle – brown.
  2. Dickman – not mentioned.
  3. Khovananth – brown.
  4. Abowath – not mentioned.

Ramirez had very dark eyes; they look almost black, but nobody mentioned that. He also had very distinctive and unusual arched eyebrows – at a time when he had short hair, and they should have been visible. Yet none of them mentioned anything about his eye area. The Khovananth composite shows bulging eyes, very different to Ramirez’s.

HEIGHT

  1. Kyle – 5’10” – 6’
  2. Dickman – 5’8” – 5’9” changed in court to 6’ – 6’1”
  3. Khovananth – 6’
  4. Abowath – 6’2 – 6’4”

Regarding the height, Dickman’s has the biggest discrepancy. He was fairly short and she had said this to three separate officers, yet in court, insisted that they all lied and the man was tall. Kyle was unsure, putting him at a tall average, until changing her mind in August and asserting that he was six feet.

ETHNICITY

  1. Kyle – tanned, Latino.
  2. Dickman – Caucasian.
  3. Khovananth – dark skinned “like a Mexican” but changed to light-skinned with a tan.
  4. Abowath – Caucasian at first, but later she insisted he was yellowish in complexion and had “Latin features”.

So, again, they all interpret him differently. Abowath’s is strange. While it is entirely possible for Latinos to be blonde, why would she describe a light-haired man, yet later claim he looked “latin.” Light hair is not what one immediately associates with being Hispanic – and when identifying strangers, people tend to rely on stereotypes.

VOICE/ACCENT

  1. Kyle – ‘Spanish’ sounding.
  2. Dickman – no mention.
  3. Khovananth – undeniable accent, sounded uneducated.
  4. Abowath – no accent, standard American?

Again, the accents make it seem like two were Latino and two were Caucasian.

ESTIMATED AGE

  • Kyle – 20
  • Dickman – 27
  • Khovananth – 30-35
  • Abowath – 25-30

While it can be difficult to judge age in the dark, when terrified, there is an age range of fifteen years here.

SEXUAL ASSAULT KIT

  1. Kyle – no result presented at trial.
  2. Dickman – no result presented at trial.
  3. Khovananth – no result presented at trial.
  4. Abowath – semen inconsistent with Richard Ramirez’s blood type.

Ramirez should not have been prosecuted for Abowath at all – the wrong description and not his semen. Inez Erickson (from the Orange County incident) should also be mentioned here. While she could not identify the man, he said the same things about Satan as in the Abowath case, which suggests that was the same person. If it was, then the semen there would surely not match Ramirez. The two locations, while 35 miles apart, are connected by the same stretches of freeway – the California Highway 57 and the Interstate 5.

The only thing these attackers have in common is being thin with curly or wavy hair. For all the other features, there is one that doesn’t quite match Ramirez casting doubt over who really committed the crimes. Readers, what is your opinion?

-VenningB-

23 responses to “ODD ONE OUT”

  1. Misidentification is one of the highest causes of wrongful conviction, especially (as in this case) when there’s no DNA and evidence is mostly circumstantial.
    Cross-racial identifications are proven to be unreliable, with stress and weapon focus adding to the difficulties.
    “Something” made every witness in the Ramirez case change their original stories, and yet these witness testimonies given in court are incredibly powerful to a jury who will not have seen the original statements. A victim giving in-court testimony is a figure of intense sympathy, they’ve suffered, and the image and sound of a visibly traumatised person, crying and pointing to the man in chains, can and will sway jurors.
    There was a case in Texas in the 90s, and the guy got sentenced to 40 to 60 years for a rape he didn’t commit with no physical evidence found, but he was identified in a line up and again in court by the victim crying “I will NEVER forget that face”. 28 years later he was freed, he did not rape her and they were able to prove it. The victim is still traumatised, only now she must deal with what she did as well. Similar to the Malkinson case in the UK last year.
    So what’s the common denominator here? Usually the police, and in the Ramirez case, definitely the police. In his case they were told an arrest was made, he was all over the TV and papers, and as far as they were concerned it was a “slam-dunk”. Witnesses were also told the Night Stalker was in the line up, and were allowed to confer with each other, and then they were “encouraged” to pick number 2.
    Ramirez was unfortunate that his lawyers didn’t seem to capitalise on the lack of semen matches, or anything else really.
    In-court identification is really not reliable, especially when everyone has described a different version of the perpetrator. I think this trial could have been severed into 4 parts, lessening “spill-over”.

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    1. Abowath’s histrionics certainly trumped the semen evidence in this case and enabled jurors to overlook her blonde man – although we know the alternate jurors definitely remember it. The fact that it happens in other cases bolsters our arguments about the Ramirez trial. It’s a common occurrence. He was just unfortunate that multiple issues happened simultanously for him. Which is why his case is so compelling.

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      1. I will write something up about wrongful identification, it is still so prevalent.

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      2. What happened to Sakina Abowath was horrific, but her swab didn’t implicate Ramirez; it wasn’t a match. Everyone overlooked Kyle’s nice-thoothed attacker, and Dickman’s change of height and attire. Four rapes and no physical evidence, and in the Khovananth incident, no cross contamination from the brutal Kneiding murders that (according to the prosecution) occurred “minutes” before. “Minutes”.. and 14 miles. With Carol Kyle, again no cross contamination from the Bell/Lang attack, and evidence points to both incidents happening at the same time, with Sgt Yarbrough testifying that the clock electrical cord was wrenched out at 5.29am, yet the “Night Stalker” was at Kyle’s house then. Does that indicate another attacker? There are too many questions and not enough answers!

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  2. The whole suspect thing was very black and white. Even the Netflix documentary begins with Carrillo’s tape, when he says the suspect is either Caucasian or a light-skinned Latin. It begs the question of whether it is really one or the other, or if several people are involved, or if it isn’t simply someone who’s mixed race. And with or without long hair and bad teeth, Ramirez was extremely Latin. He had black almond eyes! And nobody ever mentioned that their attacker smelled bad—in that regard, the librarian who claims Ramirez walked into his library looking for torture books was more reliable. He did notice the stench, and the dirty shirt, and from all the information given by Ramirez’s friends and relatives we do know he had trouble taking care of himself and lacked hygiene (although I think that has more to do with the fact he had no real home in LA and so showering every day wasn’t as easy, and it’s a blazing summer, anyone would stink).
    Had Ramirez ever tried to defend himself instead of rolling with the idea of being the Night Stalker, I doubt the case would have ended the same way. Then again when the media already told the world that you’re a villain and governments refuse to address the general increase of violence, perhaps you’re right to think you’re just doomed.
    I don’t want to sound like I’m victim-shaming, but frankly, if you can’t actually tell who attacked you, you’re not doing yourself a favor and you’re not helping the law enforcers. And we already know those law enforcers were too busy with their own fiction to actually investigate anything check Ramirez’s foot size… *sigh*

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    1. I’ve always wondered about the victims and how they were so easily manipulated into changing who they saw. And it makes me question whether trauma makes one suggestible or whether they’re just intimidated by authority, which leads them to lie and grovel to police.

      Like Kathy Moore, attacked in San Francisco. She said it was a short balding man yet identified Ramirez at the lineup. Was she paid or was she simple-minded?

      Screeching Sakina is another one. Claiming someone’s almost black hair looked blonde because he was standing under a light bulb is the most ridiculous excuse I’ve ever heard for changing the race of your attacker. My hair is dark brown and never looks blonde when lights are on it.

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      1. I also think the psychology of eyewitness identification needs discussing. This is the guy all over the media, law enforcement have said it’s him; he’s guilty before he’s even tried. Do they change their original stories because of that? I mean, how DOES a 5ft 7 Asian man morph a the 6ft 1 Latino? I also do not become blonde under lights.

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    2. Then Carol Kyle. “I saw him smile from 2.5 feet away. He had clean teeth.” Yet identified the Night Stalker after weeks of newspaper reports on bad teeth … Weak minded or a liar. Can’t decide.

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      1. They were paid in my opinion. I don’t remember exactly how it goes for the victims in America, but in several countries the surviving victims or the relatives of the dead victims get compensation.
        Not to mention how everybody wanted a share of the reward money when that became a thing.
        Aside from money and trauma, I also think that when the news only speaks of one man and the police only focuses on that same man you start to wonder if you really saw what you saw and if the blonde dude was actually blonde or not.
        Ultimately, the problem is also how much those weird ass testimonies were considered valid evidence. You have to be a messed up judge or juror to think that all of this makes sense and that a guy can die so you keep the authorities reputation intact.

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      2. Kyle wrote on her witness card it was the inflection in his voice that made her recognise him. I wonder about that. Did she say that because she’d been going on about his nice teeth in her original statement, clearly the man arrested did not have a full set of pearly whites. Hmmm..so she didn’t notice the teeth didn’t match?
        She was specifically told the “Night Stalker” was in the line up, and Richard’s face had been shown everywhere, as had the mob tactics following his arrest. Not one eyewitness stuck to their statement.
        I was listening to a forensic psychologist the other night (yes, I am that boring) and his explanation for erroneous identifications boiled down to the police, constant media bombardment and witnesses believing that the cops are never wrong, nor do they lie. He was talking in general, not about this case. Therefore, in their minds, Richard MUST be the guy, he’s there, his head is bashed up.. and everyone knew he’d been attacked. Perhaps they convince themselves that they really did see this guy.. or perhaps not. In one of Carrillo’s many anecdotes he recalls his conversation with Dickman, inviting her to come to the line up. He said her immediate response was that she must go to the salon to get her hair done first. What the hell?
        It took 4 years to build that case. 4 years! And what did they have? A load of very dodgy “evidence” and a bunch of eyewitnesses who all changed their minds. The jury were always going to find him guilty, no matter what. Public opinion expected it.

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  3. Richard had such striking ,noticeble looks and it is very weird that he was Not described properly by those witnesses. Plus the body odour went without notice. Plus he was very thin and had a slim narrow body build. His slim bodybuild was unusual. A very tall and very thin young man with Black hair and strikingly bad theeth with a sharp body odour.

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    1. Yes! For a man whose looks are often remarked upon, this night stalker character is so…nebulous. No one describes his most obvious features, like his eyebrows. Only one victim (Sakina Abowath) mentioned him being sweaty, but it was August in a hot location; everybody was sweaty! She described him as having a concave chest but his chest was broad in spite of him being very thin. That’s what is noticeable about him. Wide shoulders and a very tiny waist, esp when he was first captured. I don’t think he was eating much because of his teeth and drugs that suppress appetite.

      Of course we now know it was a complete lie that every victim smelled someone “pungent.” Richard smoked weed a lot, so it’s strange that no one mentioned being attacked by someone smelling of that.

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  4. Hello everyone, a few days ago I came across the fb profile of Monica (Richard’s friend) but I am quite confused about her statements .She claims that Richard killed two women ,the last one on 6/26/1984 and she claims that she saw the scene with her own eyes and that she was a rape victim. I just don’t understand ,I thought she was a long time friend but apparently she saw RR only 2 times 84 /88,also she claims she found out that the man in ’84 was RR but only the day before his death .ok I am really confused .🤯🤦🏻‍♀️

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    1. I don’t know what’s going on with Ruthia/Monica to be honest. She spoke to our Kaycee for a while then blocked her, leaving the impression that she’s ‘not quite right upstairs.’ That said, I don’t want to be rude about someone I don’t know, but there it is! She doesn’t think Richard did the crimes except for Vincow and Yu, but the logic seems to be based upon her being attacked by Richard the night before Vincow. How that ‘proves’ he was involved is impossible to deduce. It seems like a fictional self-insert story.

      The jist I get from her public posts is that Yu was supposedly killed when he mistook her for a prostitute called Nancy who robbed him the night he raped Ruthia/Monica – 9 months later. Yet Yu is the least likely to have been Ramirez out of all the crimes.

      I think they were penpal ‘lovers’ for real, and she ingratiated herself with his whole family but at some point Richard didn’t want to see her anymore. I don’t know how she claims to have so much insight into his last years unless it’s through family. This is of course only what I can glean from her posts.

      Do I believe her claims? Personally, no. This is why we don’t deal with penpal stuff on here: they lack coherence. If she’s reading this: no offence luv.

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      1. Yes I had the same feeling ,as if she was not mentally lucid . Her statements destabilized me ,in short the more I read certain stories the more I realize that probably inside this circus Richard was the most sane !!! 😅 I needed your personal opinion about what was published and to know if you were aware of all this .I think I will not do any more research on pen pals and family members ,I am tired of reading certain rubbish that continue to besmirch his name .thank you for responding !

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      2. It’s funny you should say that because, on occasion, we’ve commented between ourselves that in the middle of all the lies and crazy talk, he sometimes seems the normal one out of them all. And that’s saying something.

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      3. I agree too. In spite of his mental illnesses sometimes I think he made a lot of sense in his lucid moments and seems … the nicest as well

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    2. Yes it is true,he seemed like a funny guy,I think he was just very unlucky in his life and with few certainties to hold on to,so he was looking for thrills and strong sensations that made him feel alive,like theft,drugs and satanism but he was not evil,you only have to look at his eyes to understand that and not just to say “that’s just the way it is,” if I look at the look of any serial killer, to name one I say Ted Bundy, here, in him I see only emptiness and I feel it, his eyes have no soul and when he smiles he does it only with his teeth, you can’t feel anything at all, a piece of ice. Richard on the other hand smiled with his eyes, he had the same look as a child, but to make the story believable they keep talking about his devilish appearance “son of the devil,” the face of evil, but where? Nowadays a guy like that we would have seen him parading at New york fashion week!!! Amazing how much the media can influence people to such an extent that they distort reality! Even in Italy there are many videos dedicated to this case but unfortunately the most important details are not known.I think I am the only Italian interested in the truth and having always followed crime stories ,this case has always puzzled me .I was right .

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      1. Look at the context and events surrounding this. The mass hysteria surrounding the “Satanic Panic ” meant that the USA was ripe for Devilish shenanigans, the papers in 85 were heaving with ridiculous articles about AC/DC and Black Sabbath, any talk of Satan they lapped up, like hungry cats at a dairy farm. The McMartin preschool trial was happening at the same time as Richard’s, in the same place. The media ramped up the panic and fed the lie that the “Night Stalker” was leaving Satanic symbols at every crime scene. We know that’s not true, but truth doesn’t matter in this case, it never did. Richard, was the epitome of their worst fears, and he played up to it, to his detriment.
        Law enforcement were crazily reading heavy metal lyrics, deciphering “Satanic messages”, it’s so stupid.
        The jury were exposed to all of this, being non-sequestered, and they were also rather impressionable and irrational. Panicking and buying guns and guard dogs to protect them from a man locked up in LA County Jail. Perhaps they were right to take precautions, but not from the chained up Ramirez. People were still being robbed, raped and murdered all over LA and LA County.
        I am sure you’re aware that many don’t want to know the facts of the trial, and the “evil-eyed psychopath” is the preferred narrative. “He had black eyes.. he was evil!” How medieval. Having dark eyes isn’t indicative of anything other than genetics.
        Have any of them looked at crime reports and wondered why stories were changed? I doubt it.
        You’re not alone, in fact a fellow countryman of yours follows us and engages with us often.

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    3. I am happy to hear that other Italians have contacted you. So the millions of people in the world, including me, who follow the heavy metal scene are all satanists and murderers? Ahahaha too funny!!!🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ the planet is really in danger!!!They especially emphasize the fact that he was wearing an ac/dc hat and that his favorite song was night prowler =no further proof needed!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️c’ is a video made in Italy entitled “If you met him at night you were already dead” sure, Attila the Scourge of God!!! Anyway it is really true that Richard liked to be seen like this and I ‘knew it right away, I wonder why his lawyers let him do it.

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      1. The USA had a very different take on the heavy metal scene, that’s for sure! I’ve seen AC/DC twice, and am yet to grow horns, cloven hooves or a tail. Ha ha!

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  5. We are traveling on the same wavelength. I think all these people need to find honest work and be done with looting . It’s curious how every day so much news comes out about a man who in his entire existence( he spent more time in prison than out) gave two interviews (never seen in full, by the way) in which he never told anything personal, not even in his letters, yet new details always pop up .” a figment of someone’s imagination” .cit.!!! too bad they are never about the total lack of evidence!!! 😒

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    1. All of this! It’s an uphill struggle, like swimming through treacle against a current of misinformation. We carry on.

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