We Are Not Saying ALL the Police Were Involved in a Grand Conspiracy

Some people accuse us of claiming that all the police – from multiple agencies – were all involved in a grand plot to “put an innocent man in jail” and they had no motive to mass participate.

That is not what we’re saying.

That isn’t how it would work, anyway.

Here’s what I think happened. Gil Carrillo put forward his hypothesis about the “man in black” who is a “sexual deviant” aroused by seeing fear in his victims’ eyes. Carrillo’s hypothesis meant that the killer had no M.O. and their fate rested on whether they fought or “acquiesced” to the Night Stalker’s demands.

None of the other detectives believed him, not even his partner Sergeant Frank Salerno. Their lieutenant, Tony Toomey, was uninterested. At the Bennett incident, this changed. There, Salerno saw the shoeprint and then asked Carrillo to tell him all his theories. This was explained by both men on the Netflix documentary.

Now, Carrillo had convinced someone who would be taken seriously – Salerno already had an important role in the Hillside Strangler case. According to the biographer Philip Carlo, Salerno was made acting lieutenant for team 3. This cannot yet be verified this anywhere else, and Carlo is often inaccurate. But there it is.

This next section says Captain Bob Grimm put Salerno in charge of forming a task force.

If this is correct, then Gil Carrillo had the ear of the man now leading the task force – Salerno – and everyone else was following Salerno’s orders. They had no authority to question them and would have assumed the information Salerno was giving them (via Carrillo) was correct.

MONTEREY PARK PD

I also wrote in the book about how Carrillo involved himself in Monterey Park crimes. Monterey Park has its own police department. Some cases were eventually given to the Sheriff’s Department – the Yu case (originally thought to involve a Chinese spy, and the Dickman case. Carrillo also showed up at the Doi crime scene and due to the presence of shoeprints, the Sheriff’s Department was also involved in the Nelson murder.

In the early July newspapers, the killer was announced to be a tall, thin, curly-haired man. We know from their statements that this is untrue. My book showed that this character was based on Richard’s alias “Richard Mena.” But once the Sheriff’s department controlled the Monterey Park cases and it was circulated in the media, all the Los Angeles County police departments were on the lookout for this false suspect.

LAPD & GLENDALE PD

After the Khovananth and Kneiding attacks on 20th July 1985, the Khovananth composite drawing was released. The Khovananth incident was dealt with by the Los Angeles Police Department, so now they were involved and created their own task force. The Kneiding incident came under Glendale Police Department, so they also became involved. Can you see how it’s snowballing?

During this period, Sergeant Christansen was in charge of firearms examination. He originally declared that the Kneidings and Chainarong Khovananth were shot with a .25 calibre ACP. Note: This was not the final evidence submitted by the prosecution at trial.

SFPD

It was an officer from Glendale Police Department that heard about the Pan murder in San Francisco. He heard there was .25 ACP shell casings at their crime scene and contacted them. He thought the 20th July cases were related to Pan.

The mayor of San Francisco then “revealed” that the .22 bullets had been used in a “dozen” Los Angeles cases. Both Kneiding and Khovananth were later declared to be separate .22LR revolvers. But you can again see how this is escalating. It was all being televised.

San Francisco were given a list of what features to look out for now that the Night Stalker was up there. This list was shared from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. This means the LASD was influencing how the SFPD examined their own cases.

From my book! Please buy it!

Carrillo and Salerno were assisting them and flew up there to examine the crime scene – and were followed by news reporters. There was no chance of separating the San Francisco murder from the ones down in Los Angeles. There was now no independence from the Night Stalker machine.

THE OCSD

Then the Night Stalker allegedly hit down in Orange County, which has its own Sheriff’s Department. But Carrillo and Salerno headed down there too – also with the media.

Then all the informants crawled out and Carrillo and Salerno were not heavily involved in all that aspect of the investigation – it was led by Sergeant John Yarbrough. The rest of the task force and team took over dealing with stolen property, interrogating Ramirez’s associates and allegedly physically intimidating the fence, Felipe Solano. Meanwhile, up in San Francisco, Inspector Frank Falzon punched Armando Rodriguez so he would co-operate.

There was no rowing back from this – the police become tunnel-visioned. The media hysteria put them in a race against time. Politicians were becoming involved and putting pressure on the LASD and LAPD. The phones were ringing off the hook with sightings. There was no time for random detectives to say to Salerno, “Oh, hold on, let me just read all the victims’ original statements. I just need to check that we’re pursuing the right guy.”

The Assistant District Attorney was then desperate to take the case – they all want to prosecute the big names – he’s not going to question the evidence because it will humiliate multiple police forces. Someone like Richard Ramirez wasn’t important enough to do that. So they made the evidence fit. Only a few senior detectives were involved, the rest were following orders and one can argue that they too were caught up in hysteria and confirmation bias.

If you want to read about the entire case in chronological order, as well as the trial, please buy the book! Also, thanks to everyone who has taken the time to give us nice reviews. I really appreciate them, they mean a lot.

9 responses to “We Are Not Saying ALL the Police Were Involved in a Grand Conspiracy”

  1. Thank you for making this distinction because honestly I think a lot of people fall into this trap of assuming that when we question the narrative we must be accusing every single cop and official of being in on some massive conspiracy. That is not how this works. That is not how anything works. Systems break down and fail people all the time not necessarily because everyone in them is malicious but because a few people with power push a narrative and everyone else follows without thinking too hard.

    I used to think it was a coordinated effort too. The idea that every department was complicit felt dramatic, tragic, and perfectly in line with what the media would never admit. But over time it started to seem more likely that the issue was not this grand conspiracy. It was something scarier. It was chaos being interpreted as clarity. It was confirmation bias wearing a badge and a tie. It was people too afraid to question the direction things were moving in because to do that would mean unraveling everything.

    What terrifies me is not the idea of some secret coordinated scheme. It is the idea that a few loud voices with the right connections can shape a man’s fate and everyone else just goes along with it. Whether out of fear, convenience, ambition, or plain exhaustion. That is not justice. That is institutional laziness. And it is far more common than people want to admit.

    I think once I stopped looking for some massive evil cabal and started looking at how ego, bias, pressure, and blind trust can infect even the most well-meaning systems things started making a lot more sense and became a lot more horrifying. Because then you realize how easily this could happen again. How easily it is happening again. And no one notices because it does not come with flashing lights and villains in trench coats. It comes quietly behind closed doors through chain of command obedience and fear of rocking the boat. And someone ends up on death row.

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    1. In the beginning, I too questioned whether it was a coordinated effort. I went over it in my head. Then I learned about police tunnel vision. Even when I explain the case to people now, they search for a grand conspiracy and speculate over why the whole force would want to join in. I tell them it was as simple as one person influencing superiors and they seem to find this harder to believe than the big conspiracy. Now I’ve come to the conclusion that is all that happened.

      Notice how, in the petition, Carrillo’s name doesn’t come up much. It mostly relates to Okazaki/Hernandez. I think his work was kind of done and everyone else took over – particularly John Yarbrough. Yarbrough did much of the leg work at the end stage of the case. Carrillo even flew under the radar of Richard’s appeal attorneys. They do say “over zealous” police, but they never pinpoint WHO. They didn’t realise it was a particular person. And now we do. Why? Because he won’t stop running his mouth on podcasts. He’s told on himself. And he’d been telling on himself since Carlo but most people didn’t pick up on it.

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  2. wow great information definitely clears some misunderstandings, it annoying how how jsut made eveyone believe him like that and then other cops had to go along with it without questions, I too also believed rhe same as vivi until I came across this blog and read your book! Well done!

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  3. Yes , and whenever people have this tunnelview they can not think in a reasonable way . As I m checking the facts in the Carn case , I m obviously a bit confused about the latent fingerprint which they found in the orange Toyota . Is it the one they ve put into that new computer in Sacramento I guess yes . Because this led to his arrest . It would be weird though as it s the Carn case which didnt go to trial. Or I m wrong . But they didn t have other prints ( only half print in the Vincow case).? Nobody was allowed to check the fingerprint again …And . Im also not sure anymore right now how they got his name in the first place. When was it ..December 84 he was put in prison I think .And then which incident was it , was it the one after the dentist that they got his name ? Sorry , chaotic . LOL.

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    1. They got his name because Frank Falzon punched it out of Armando Rodriguez.

      Eight Richard Ramirezes

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    2. Regarding the dentist. He made his appointments under his alias: Richard Mena. That name was on the dental card they found.

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      1. Yes , Richard Mena I knew that .It was before Konananth . And , yes , now I remember that Armando was forced by Falzon about giving Richards name! It really takes some time to be sure and safe about every little thing in that complicated case !

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  4. And Ive read that article by Kaycee about the fingerprints again , just now. I was right in so far that the fingerprint taken at Richards December 84 prison arrest incident did NOT come up from the memory data bank , when to compare with the fingerprint taken in that ( false ? ) Toyota ..So .this was important to me . I m not sure I made clear what I mean. But maybe you understand my funny attempts of explanation… I don t think that it was Richard in the Carn case anyway . I d like to also know where I can maybe find some newspsper articles from the time they were still looking for the Nightstalker . As too see what the public , the L.A. people were told or which Informations people had . And what the” Nightstalkers ” knew from the newspapers . Inez Erickson said that her attacker said some things and he could know this from the papers . But no Stress because of it. Its not so important .

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