Richard Ramirez Tour Fail

I was in the middle of writing a novel – one that will be based on the Ramirez cases. Then I became distracted and went on YouTube as we do when we’re procrastinating. There, I found this mess of a Richard Ramirez location “tour”, starting at victim Jennie Vincow’s house. These two YouTubers have made four Richard Ramirez videos (including two Gil Carrillo interviews to add to the hundred that already exist). Judging how bad this is, I won’t be watching the others – not that I can take any more Carrillo Logic.

One says, “Literally, we’re walking the steps of Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker!” – as they walk towards some random house.

Straight off, that isn’t an apartment, and neither is it the Vincow residence. Jennie’s son Jack lived above her in their apartment building. This is the real location.

Initially, I thought they had made the simple mistake of going to the wrong address on Chapman Street. This is because there is a typo in Vincow’s address in Ramirez’s 2008 petition. It incorrectly lists the address as 3300 Chapman Street. It’s actually 3330.

3300 is a one storey property on the same street – but no, they truly have gone to the wrong location! The house behind them isn’t 3300. Its 1436. None of the roads surrounding Chapman have 1400 door numbers. Chapman Street borders Glendale’s Forest Lawn cemetery and a wall runs the length of the opposite side of the street. These men are on a road with houses on both sides. After some detective work, the street in their video turned out to be North Avenue 46, two miles away from the real location. Luckily, several people are correcting the creators but with no response.

These guys also claim that a dog walker approached them and told them a murder occurred there, so she’s obviously heard some misinformation too. Where is it coming from? It seems there are a lot of people in Los Angeles who claim dubious sightings or connections to the case. It’s ridiculous enough that it will be the subject of a future post.

Next, they headed to the Greyhound Bus Terminal and arrived at the wrong one. The original terminal where Richard Ramirez and ‘friends’ hung out was on 6th Street and S. Los Angeles Street. It closed as a transport hub in 1991 and the building is now occupied by shops. The one they’re at is on E. 7th Street, more than a mile away.

“George, turn the camera! This is where he would’ve come in”… the camera pans onto Decatur Street. They acknowledge that it’s no longer a functioning bus depot but are oblivious to the fact it’s not the same place at all.

Decatur Street
The bus station on 7th Street

This is the original one, on 6th and S Los Angeles Streets, downtown.

Below, in its former life, back in 1970.

After this, they visit the former location of “Mike’s Liquor Store” just off 8th Street. But it looks like an old textile factory and not somewhere that ever had shops in 40 years ago.

Just no.

The video then shows an old photo of E. Cesar E Chavez Avenue which is nowhere near 8th Street, making it even more confusing.

Richard going there on foot after leaving the non-existent 7th Street bus terminal makes no logical sense. It’s a 25 minute walk. It doesn’t make sense for him to go there from the real bus terminal either. Who gave them this information?!

Apparently, in the rest of the video, they visit Hubbard Street. I didn’t get that far, but judging by the rest of the video, they could have ended up in Compton or Venice Beach.

Inaccurate Statements Regarding Jennie Vincow’s Murder.

They give the wrong date and state that Jennie Vincow’s death heralded the beginning of Richard Ramirez’s “reign of terror” in June 1985. We all know she was killed in June 1984, nine months before other supposed “Night Stalker attacks”.

At around 04:30, they say Vincow’s body was decomposing for four days in a heatwave before discovery, when we know that she was found either the next morning or the same day by her son (there was confusion over the lividity of the body). They also claim Ramirez had sex with her corpse, despite being corrected by Gil Carrillo in their other podcast. Even he tells the truth sometimes. Ramirez was never charged with raping Vincow, nor was there evidence of necrophilic acts.

At around 06:15, they incorrectly state that this murder took place just before Gil Carrillo and Frank Salerno became partners because Carrillo connected Vincow to the others. Again, this is badly wrong. Chapman Street is in Los Angeles and therefore was investigated by the Los Angeles Police Department. Gil Carrillo was with the Sheriff’s Department, so they had nothing to do with the Vincow investigation – the officer dealing with the case was Detective Jesse Castillo. It was connected to the crimes after Ramirez was arrested.

They claim (at about 6:46) that Vincow was the first crime scene where Avia shoeprints were found, but our readers will know that was the Zazzara scene nine months later. Carrillo and Salerno were not on that case either.

It’s really difficult to see so much disinformation on the internet, with people flocking to watch this stuff and soaking up lies, taking things at face value and sharing it. It’s also ghoulish to be standing outside someone’s house yelling into a bad quality microphone about all the blood and gore at a crime scene. The way they speak is so unprofessional, sensationalist and worst of all false.

121 responses to “Richard Ramirez Tour Fail”

  1. Those ghouls need to do proper research before twatting about outside unsuspecting people’s homes.

    What they do is gore tourism and it’s badly done.

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  2. This video infuriates me on so many levels. Not only does it completely disrespect the memory of Jennie Vincow and the other victims by sensationalizing their deaths, but it also perpetuates lie after lie, reducing a deeply complex case into some kind of horror-tour sideshow. It’s not just lazy—it’s dangerous. The amount of false, unsubstantiated information they spouted is staggering, and yet they present it as if it’s gospel, all while parading around crime scenes with zero regard for the people involved.
    And the worst part? They’re capitalizing off the tragedy, off the suffering, and off a case that’s already been deeply mishandled and misunderstood by the public for decades. This isn’t education. It’s not justice. It’s voyeurism dressed up as content, and it sickens me.
    Thank you for calling out the errors and taking the time to fact-check what these so-called “researchers” couldn’t be bothered to do. I just wish more people valued truth and integrity over views and shock value. The victims, and even Richard—who continues to be misrepresented in cartoonishly evil terms—deserve far more than this.

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    1. You’re right about the voyeurism, it’s actually disgusting what they are doing. The people in their comment section don’t care about the facts, they only want the horror of it.

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    2. Something that weirdly bothered me was the unprofessionalism of the name-calling for the killer. I’m not just saying this from a “RICHARD WAS INNOCENT, DON’T BE NASTY TO HIM!” fangirl perspective but, it goes without saying that serial murderers are disgusting human beings. Filling your video with “this sick psycho piece of crap”, “he’s just evil; spawn of the devil”, “[his execution] should be pay-per-view – that would have been fun to watch Richard executed” was very undignified and immature. It makes them look like teen boys who’d think it’s fun to see a public hanging in the town square like medieval people.

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      1. To me, those two doofuses looked like full-blown hybristophiles—giddy, starry-eyed, and weirdly enchanted by the mythos surrounding Richard. It honestly reminded me of teenage girls obsessing over boy bands, only instead of swarming concert venues, they were stumbling through the streets of Los Angeles like, “We just want to walk where Richard walked… breathe the same air he breathed… blehhh,” (cue sarcastic girly voice). It was embarrassing to watch—and worse, completely disrespectful to the gravity of the case and the lives involved.
        And don’t even get me started on the way the media always trots out that tired, overblown language: “Satan’s spawn,” “Son of Satan,” and every other dramatic, gothic catchphrase you can imagine. Look, I say this with zero disrespect to anyone’s religious beliefs, truly—but law and religion do not mix. In fact, the entanglement of those two spheres was part of what turned Richard’s trial into a ridiculous circus. The satanic panic of the era blurred reason and justice, clouding the judgment of the public, and giving law enforcement the perfect excuse to paint him as a living embodiment of evil. His few public displays of interest in Satanism weren’t proof of guilt—they were fuel. Convenient, theatrical fuel to cement him as “the Night Stalker,” because apparently it’s beyond human comprehension that a sick, disturbed person—or people—could commit such atrocious acts without the guiding hand of the Dark Lord. (sarcastic voice again) People need to ground themselves in empirical reality and stop using religiously charged fear-mongering to understand complex, horrifying situations.
        And that pay-per-view comment? Absolutely vile. I don’t care what your opinion is of Richard—saying it would be entertaining to pay money to watch someone’s execution is deranged. Period. In one of my psychology classes, I remember learning something that stuck with me—and I think I may have mentioned it here before: people often derive a twisted sense of pleasure from the suffering or punishment of others, especially when they believe that person has done something wrong. It’s a form of moral sadism, plain and simple.
        Now, let me be clear—I 1000% agree that people who consciously and deliberately inflict harm on innocent others, whether they be serial killers, rapists, or violent offenders, are repugnant. Many of them deserve the harshest consequences the law allows. And yes, in certain circumstances, the death penalty might be the only form of justice available that even begins to acknowledge the depth of loss. But watching an execution for entertainment? Paying to view it like a sporting event? That’s sick. If you’re finding pleasure in that, then something is seriously wrong. That isn’t justice. That’s cruelty wearing the mask of righteousness.
        Now, when it comes to families and friends of the victims, that’s a different story. If they choose to witness the execution to find some sense of closure or symbolic justice, that’s their right. But I highly doubt they find it entertaining. It’s painful. It’s final. It’s complicated. And the fact that people out there treat it like some kind of reality TV finale is disgusting.
        That’s all I can say.

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  3. Hi Venning.
    I too am tired of the misinformation about Richard and his life in Los Angeles. I’d like to talk with you about the correct info of that Greyhound terminal formerly on 6th Street, now, a sad lot of nothingness.
    The lot is huge and several blocks long. I live off of 6th Street, so my local bus actually still passes by there. I also know the one on 7th Street. There are many ghosts of Los Angeles.
    Thank you for clarifying the constant misleading of Richard’s life and times. It does matter to get history right.

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    1. They both look really sad on Google Street View. The 7th Street one looks like a ghost town with hardly any buses nearby.
      Do you find it scary to live there?

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      1. This area where I live is no one’s “first choice”. But, it’s all I can afford right now. Just like Richard, the less off don’t get to choose.

        I just wanted to remind everyone that the Greyhound on 6th and Los Angeles Street is literally behind the Cecil Hotel. They are just one block away. So, it would make perfect sense that Rochard would go to the station for shelter when he didn’t have funds for the Cecil.

        The amateurs would not think to connect the two. They are only wanting clicks by smearing his blood.

        Who are the real monsters of society now?

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      2. I always think he took buses instead of planes, not just because it was cheap but because he could sleep on long journeys. It was a home for the night.

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      3. They are. They’re ghouls who do no true research and thrive on the horror for clicks.

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      4. I thought about wether he usually went by bus or by plane . He would have flown at L.A.X ? Thats so much planning in advance , so much action , you have to be there 2 hours early etc. Its more convienient to go by Greyhound Bus , especially when the bus station is so near by. So ..I guess he prefered to go by bus. At least thats what I had done . I ioften try to imagine how his health was like when he was in downtown L.A. He was seen at this Taco place a couple of times ..he must have looked quite wilde . One of the restaurant owner said he always seemed nervous and as if he was afraid of something . Sometimes he ordered Taco s and then didnt eat it .And ..his teeth were so bad already . So it must have been a hard time for Richard. And it sure was easier to just jump in a bus for him than take a plane with all that stress at the airport..He would have needed a valid passport too !

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      5. I think pre 9/11 there was less security and queuing for bag checks and you don’t need passports for internal flights but yes, buses were so much easier and close to where he hung out/bought drugs/dirty hotels and lots of pool halls.

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      6. I have a question about a foto. Sometimes there is a foto of a young boy or even a girl , which is supposed to be Richard . I don t see any resemblance in this , some say that its a random girl from the neighbourhood . Do you know who that is ? He / she is wearing a T — Shirt with small flowers on it . It can t be Richard in my opinion .

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      7. Jay is going to do a post on that soon… stay tuned!

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      8. Yes, I have three I need to get out. Apologies, they’re currently residing in my head. 😆

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  4. You’re 100% right.

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    1. But , how is it possible to spread all that miss information . Can they just do what they want ?? There are nt any boundaries in this case anymore , its getting worse and worse . Something like that should not go to the public , its a disgrace .

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      1. I don’t understand why they make the effort to become a content creator without having a passion and knowledge for the topic they’re presenting. It makes it seem like they just want to be on camera.

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      2. I agree. These cheap takes on the case should be banned. That’s how twisted it is; lies are believed and truth? Well, truth is all conspiracy theory, apparently.
        We’re as angry as you are that these arseholes get away with it. Because Kato was connected to the OJ case, some comments are even begging them to do OJ next. Their audience just wants stories about blood and death, they really don’t want facts.

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      3. Someone said he called Rodney Alcala “Ray Acola”. He needs to get off these videos and get a new hobby. Serial killers aren’t it.

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      4. Haha!! In the comments was the usual “He was on the Dating Game”, referring to Richard. The bar is low..

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      5. I saw they have thousands of views in 4 days already. Maybe a meathead-style channel with all the real facts of the Ramirez case, while mispronouncing Ramirez’ name will change public perception, lol! Just put in a ton of gore, scary music and pictures! It’ll seem less conspiracy-ish. Evil cartoon detectives and politicians behind this case! Fortunately, truth-seekers seem to have refined taste.

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      6. That’s thousands of people soaking up bullshit without questioning anything.
        We’re witnessing the zombification of the masses.
        Thank God you lot are able to question it.

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      7. I noticed their views rose by 1,000 overnight!

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  5. the biggest problem is nobody cares to fact check and do proper truthful research, they just accept what is given to them.

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    1. They love what’s comfortable for them, and clearly two idiots charging around screaming about decapitation is comfortable, as far as they’re concerned.
      They’re setting themselves up to be “experts” but their knowledge of the case is virtually nothing.

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      1. They know nothing about this case at all and it clearly shows! Before putting anything on line or in a blog or even book or tv shows or movies, STUDY the case! Would you guys have put a blog or book out there without doing research? NO! And but sad not everyone gets that especially these two idiots as you said! It’s shouldn’t be about comfort it should always be about truth and justice. Like this was show I watched and mentioned it to you guys were the narrator says Richard was in his early 70’s before being finally executed. Ummmm wtf and then another show I watched few days ago were they said oh Richard said he killed 20 people and he loved it OMG!!!

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      2. Sarah, girl, your brain is gonna start melting if you keep feeding it those brain-rot “documentaries” and YouTube clown shows about Richard—I’m begging you! 🤣 Like seriously, how in the world could he have been 70 years old at the time of his execution if he was born in 1960?? Make it make sense!
        And since we’re apparently rewriting history now—executed?? The man died in 2013 from complications related to Hepatitis C and B-cell lymphoma. In a hospital. While still on death row. You don’t even have to dig deep for this—it’s on Wikipedia, for heaven’s sake. Not exactly classified information!
        The mental gymnastics in some of these videos are so extreme, I’m starting to think they deserve their own medical study. Like… is this performance art? Is it satire? Or are we witnessing the early stages of some kind of cognitive breakdown in real time? Because these logic gaps could qualify as Olympic-level delusion. It’s almost impressive—if it weren’t so painfully embarrassing.
        Please—for your own sanity—step away from the algorithm. 😭

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      3. I laughed so hard reading the beginning of your comment 🤣! I don’t know why I even torture myself watching them! You’re absolutely right tho vivi I need to back off those stupid documentaries. 🙏🏻🤣

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      4. Haha! I love this comment, Vivi. I think we’re definitely witnessing the decline of critical thought, and a massive swing towards herd mentality. Very few will challenge the perception held by so many. “Madness in individuals is rare..”
        We’re also witnessing the decline of quality content and thorough investigation. I have no idea why those two idiots are doing a video about Richard when they know so little about him or the crimes he was convicted of.

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      5. Richard was ahead of his time when he said people are programmed like a computer. He may have stolen that concept from one of his books but he was right.

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      6. Absolutely. He was spot on.

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      7. It seems that individual critical reasoning and independent thought have become increasingly rare in today’s climate. Even when presented with clear, legitimate legal evidence, many people refuse to acknowledge it simply because it challenges their preexisting beliefs or biases about the case. This kind of willful ignorance, in my view, borders on delusional thinking. It’s as if the need to preserve their narrative outweighs any commitment to truth or objective analysis.

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  6. he was also right about when he said “ it’s easier to convict a man with words than with evidence”

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    1. That statement pretty much sums up this entire shoddy trial!

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      1. Exactly! I 100% agree

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    2. They didn’t have a shred of conclusive, indisputable evidence linking Richard directly to those crimes—and yet he was convicted, branded as the “Night Stalker,” and sentenced to death not once, but nineteen times. Nineteen death sentences, handed down with the weight of certainty, despite the glaring absence of definitive proof. That alone should disturb anyone who values justice.
      Words hold immense power. And in Richard’s case, the words of law enforcement and the media carried more influence than facts ever did. They shaped the narrative, cast the role, and ensured that Richard would forever be etched into history as the “Night Stalker,” whether he fit that title or not. There was little scrutiny, almost no real pushback—just blind acceptance. The public didn’t question; they consumed. The system didn’t prove; it persuaded. And in the end, perception became more important than truth.

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      1. Very well said! I couldn’t have said it better myself! And yes they just took in eveything about what was said about Richard no questions no doubts no nothing, cuz I mean what cops and media would lie?! BS!

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  7. Have any of you heard the rumors about a possible serial killer in the New England area? I’ve seen several news reports and articles mentioning that multiple bodies have been discovered here in Massachusetts, which is where I live.

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    1. No? We’ve not heard anything over here. Are they giving you much info?

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      1. Not really, at least nothing official. But from what I’ve seen, several of the remains have already been identified as people who had been reported missing weeks or even months ago. What’s unsettling is that the bodies have been found in relatively close proximity to one another—like one set of remains discovered in one town, then the next set showing up just a town over. And if you know Massachusetts, you know the towns are packed pretty closely together, so it’s not a huge stretch to imagine a pattern forming.
        I think the count is up to seven bodies found here so far. And disturbingly, the locations of the discoveries seem to be inching closer and closer to my town. Most of the news coverage has been quick to downplay it—insisting there’s no evidence of a serial killer—but people are understandably freaked out. It’s hard to ignore the pattern when the bodies keep turning up this way. I’ve also heard that remains have been found in parts of New Hampshire and other New England towns, which only adds to the growing unease. It’s not mass hysteria yet, but you can definitely feel the tension rising.

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      2. That’s awful! Have they said anything about the victims? Who they are?

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      3. I don’t have much information on the Massachusetts victims as they are still investigating. But I know several from other states have been identified.

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      4. God, how horrible!

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      5. I forgot to add this, they found seven bodies in total across several New England states that are close together, and the bodies were found in close proximity to one another, even across states.

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  8. I think it’s the one that got our KayCee into Richard in the first place! But I have never seen it myself.

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    1. Yes, that did it for her.

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  9. I haven’t seen the programme but have seen that clip of Gallegos. How Arturo has the nerve to speak about the trial is beyond comprehension. Useless man.

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  10. There is a new video of an interview with the Peterson couple . After this , in the same video there s an interview with Christine Lee ! I find it interesting. Its on Musty Smelly channel . Maybe I suceed in sending a link ..Hope so , haha.

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    1. I don’t think your link appeared. The video you’re talking about isn’t new, though.

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  11. The Peterson case is so weird too , as both of them were not really able to describe the attacker . Christine Lee talks about Cindy Haden s infatuation with Richard and states that she and Haden think that Richard is innocent. She also says that Richard claimed he is innocent , when she saw him last in prison. I ask myself why they didnt show this interview for such a long time…Christine Lee says some things in favour to Richard ..Also some things she better had not said ..But obviously she was without experience of beeing interviewed , just as Doreen and Richard . This case of Richard is so crazy , when I see Interviews like this one notice how hair rising it actually was . And I feel sorry for Richard again -just like Christine says.

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    1. oh wow that’s interesting! Where did you see this interview?

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      1. Obviously the link did not appear , don t know why ..Its on Musty Smelly channel ( don t like that name ! ) Its called Victims Talk or so. The Peterson clip Is old to me but that interview with Christine I have never seen before .

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      2. I try finding it! But thanks so much Isabella!

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  12. That’s Ruthia. Yeah we’ve all encountered her. I believe she did know Richard as a pen pal but somehow she likes to insert herself as a character in his story and is full of shit.
    I think it’s unlikely that a woman was ever put in a cell next to a high profile serial killer. And she believes he was innocent of all except Vincow and Yu even though Yu is the least likely of all. Just because they fit with her fantasy story timeline.

    She also claimed that Miguel’s apartment block was named after her too!

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    1. I think she knew him, but the rest of her claims are nonsensical. I blocked her from this site years ago.

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    2. Remember her claims that Carrillo did it all? Lol
      And her threat on one of his interviews that she would reveal all? “Don’t make me do it, Gil!”. 😬
      I was hoping she’d come out with something interesting but she never did.

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      1. I’d believe it but he’s too big to fit through all those windows.

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      2. People make crazy claims to insert themselves into the story for attention. Hold that thought, Venning is working on a post about this very thing.

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  13. Is Ruthia the same as Monica aka Ruth? Is it the one who writes about that Camarena officer ? So weird . Musty Smelly seems to be into 666 too LOL. All those childish comments about hell and devil .. Thats so boring .

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    1. Yes. Ruthia is Monica. I think the one who keeps going on about Camarena is just some schizophrenic weirdo.

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  14. As Jay said that a lot of people make up claims to fit the story which is sickening especially when few of those people are his own family!

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  15. But honestly , some comments on You Tube are so weird and crazy and they just make me laugh ! They are so grotesque .The social Media in this case are amazing. I will never forget that ! What an experience .

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    1. ya I read a lot of those comments and alot of them are haters, fan girls and very few people like us trying the spread truth. The haters just can’t stand the fact we are exposing the lies from the media and Gil and the rest of them, they all think we making shit up! 😒

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      1. I see that all the time! They only know Carlo and that’s it. I saw someone insist he did not have a sister called Rosa last night. Their names were public before Carlo!

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      2. I ve just seen Bizaar Bazaar with William Harder . I found it quite shocking . He talked about that Holiday Inn incident . And ..He claims that it was a boy who was attacked by Richard and not a woman …Harder talks about Philip Carlo too. I can t repeat all this . What he says about him is awful..it shocked me . But I hope this are lies ..He seems to not tell the truth also about Richards death and then also he talks about the Carol Kyle case. ( from what we know the wrong descritption and the bodyfluids not from Richard ) So ..what do you think about this guy William Harder ? Some things he talks about seem to be true .( like about the visiting areas ) , but others are just awful and I hope they are not true . ..as he points out that Richard was a hard core pedophile too. Again I wonder about which people Richard came across …This case keeps beeing confusing and frustrating .

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      3. Bizarre Bazaar.. absolute car crash.
        My advice is to stay off YouTube.
        In all honesty, we didn’t start this blog to disprove everyone’s unverifiable claims.
        We’ve been over the Holiday Inn claims, and it doesn’t exist on his juvenile rap sheet.

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      4. Most of these people are just gore hunting killer memorabilia collectors who get sexually excited over killers. They need to ramp up the controversies and stories to make money, sell letters and generate traffic for videos.

        Regarding the paedophile stuff, most of this is stupid women mentioning to Richard that they have kids and freaking out when he wants to see photos. If you don’t want him to ask, don’t tell! And what did they expect, writing to a “serial killer” who was clearly mentally disturbed? Something normal? They also love telling these “scary stories” for publicity. There was a British woman on one, bragging about her friendship with him and she talked to him about her child and cried when he asked for a photo. Write to lonely criminals, deal with the consequences.

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      5. The women are ridiculous. What were they writing to him for? What exactly did they expect? If he is asking questions about you and your life (he’s trying to get a picture of who is writing to him) and you tell him you have kids, isn’t the natural reply to ask about your family? “You have kids? What are their names? How old are they?” etc.
        Like that dumb woman who sent him sex letters and semi-naked pics, and told him about all her sex fantasies. Then when she visits him, she’s “surprised and shocked” when he starts masturbating. What the hell did you expect? Tea and biscuits? I imagine, to him, that WAS sex..because you wrote to him about it, you stupid woman! My patience wears ever thinner. LOL

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      6. Yes, that’s the one.

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      7. I feel that these YouTubers on the one hand deny he was mentally ill and call it psychopathy yet on the other hand totally exploit what is obviously psychiatric illnesses just so they can yell “ewww what a pervert he was!”
        They’ll never read his reports about why he was hypersexual and inappropriate but they will happily sit there and enjoy it for the freak factor. The evil vibe. The salaciousness.

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      8. I’ll admit it—I liked the Bizarre Bazaar YouTube channel at first. Their content had that eerie, mysterious vibe that initially intrigued me. But everything changed the moment I stumbled across their video about Richard. It was around the same time I discovered this blog, and watching that video completely turned me off from their channel, for good. It wasn’t just the inaccuracies—it was the tone. The careless sensationalism. The way they handled the subject matter was like it was clickbait horror instead of a human life with layers of tragedy and injustice. I haven’t watched a single one of their videos since, and I never will again.

        That’s why I’m so grateful for Jay, Venning, and KayCee. The way they approach Richard’s case is grounded, methodical, and—most importantly—human. They don’t stoop to the level of these cobbled-together gore-bait YouTube videos or regurgitated shock documentaries. They don’t just sit back and criticize—they actively deconstruct the misinformation, piece by piece, to make their findings clearer, stronger, and more legitimate. And honestly? Most of those trashy videos aren’t even worth a glance, let alone a mention.

        If anything, the blatant inconsistencies in those types of videos should serve as a wake-up call to any rational, curious person watching. Hopefully, they lead some viewers to pause, question, and dig deeper. Maybe they’ll land here on the blog, start asking questions, read the book, or even begin to challenge their long-held assumptions about the case. Because that’s where the real truth begins—not in passively consuming content, but in having the courage to inquire, even when the answers might upend everything you thought you knew.

        I completely agree with Jay that stepping away from YouTube—and honestly, from most media portrayals of Richard—is a wise move. It’s not just inaccurate. It’s mentally and emotionally exhausting. Watching these videos, reading the comments—people parroting the same tired phrases, attacking anyone who dares offer a different perspective—it’s like watching a herd mentality in full effect. You bring up a valid point, introduce nuance or doubt, and suddenly you’re mobbed for “daring” to disrupt the gruesome, black-and-white narrative of Richard as the so-called Night Stalker. There’s no room for complexity in those spaces. No room for humanity.

        Ironically though, there is one small way these exploitative videos can be useful. Because they constantly contradict themselves, because they keep revising the “facts” and adding new dramatized details, they might cause some viewers to start scratching their heads. To notice the holes. To wonder, “Wait… if this part doesn’t make sense, what else have I been misled about?” That moment of discomfort—of cognitive dissonance—can be powerful. It can be the start of something real.

        Of course, there’s also the risk. The people who are deeply attached to the narrative of Richard as the monstrous Night Stalker will cling to these sensationalized stories like lifelines. They’re not interested in truth—they’re interested in spectacle. And unfortunately, those people often become the loudest voices, spreading misinformation and fueling even more distortion.

        But there’s still hope in all of this. I know there is, because I felt it. That awful Netflix documentary—the one that left me with more questions than answers—it sparked something in me. It made me uncomfortable. And that discomfort led me here. It led me to look behind the curtain, to see the cracks in the official story, and to start searching for the truth on my own terms. I’m sure many others in this community have had the exact same experience. If I hadn’t been disturbed by what I saw in that documentary, maybe I never would’ve questioned it. Maybe I never would’ve ended up here. And for that, in a strange way, I’m grateful.

        That said, it is incredibly difficult to step away from the noise. Let’s be honest—there’s not a ton of media material about Richard out there, so even the garbage feels like a rare source at times. But I truly believe—for your own peace of mind, your own well-being—it’s best to stay clear of that sensationalist junk. Protect your energy. Stay with the facts. And keep asking questions. That’s how we find our way closer to the truth.

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      9. What a beautiful post, thank you, as ever you are the voice of reason. Richard and this case has undergone metamorphosis into something that gets less and less believable, the more people write about their imaginary sightings of him, the more Carrillo opens his mouth and the more idiots appear to do their own bullshit with unresearched videos and podcasts.
        I can remember Venning challenging these two women podcasters (who’d had the misfortune of interviewing Gil) on some of the wrong information they had in the podcast. Their response? A weak “we don’t know, you’d have to ask Gil”. Well, it’s your podcast, so she’s asking you!

        That Netflix documentary was THE catalyst for me, too, and it led to the founding of this website because no one was asking the relevant questions. Now, I am old. I was 17 when he was arrested, so I remembered him, although the news in the UK never gained the traction in the late 80s as it would now. I regret it took this long to finally say something.

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  16. lool Ezra miller?! He looks nothing like Richard! They even claim Rodney Alcala looks like him it’s ridiculous

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    1. Ezra Miller? In his role as Kevin? Of course he looks like Richard. Or at least gives similar vibes. But nowadays I woudn’t like him to play Richard anymore either. After “”We need to talk about Kevin” I had the impression that he looked similar enough to Richard and would have been able to play his character well.

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  17. And is it true that Doreen changed her name ? I could understand that . Hope we don t get on your nerves with repetitious questions ….But this Wiliam Harder guy , how awful . And the way he talked..I was upset and felt sorry again for Richard . But how can he say all that ? Because some things can be true . Like what he says about those little drawings ..I ll have to watch it again , unfortunately because its awful his way of talking is sooo tiring , its s a torture !

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  18. Yes , I know you re not keen on answering those repetitive questions of You Tube contents .But this Interview with William Harder and this Irish guy really shocked me , allthough I m not a hysterical person or so. Its a 45 minutes Interview and its not about womens letters and this guy must have changed the Carlo Holiday Inn Story then . He says he knows Doreen from telefon . And he talks about his visits in St.Quentin. I don t know ..but it really made me feel bad . And I assume I m a critical person who does not tend to believe stuff like this so easily . I read the comments of the viewers too..and I cant blame for them when they believe stuff like this. So ..I will watch that again just to check what he means . I just think about people who have no idea about the case and they see this ?

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    1. It’s nothing personal, Isabella, we just don’t think YouTube has any bearing on legal documents, which is where our interest lies.

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      1. Yes , you are right . I am still not used to this kind of crap on You Tube. But it gets shown to lots of people. It has nothing to do with legal documents and yet the guy shows Richards paintings and visitor papers etc. Guess its the last time its upsetting me.

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      2. I know it’s hard.

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    2. What’s truly disheartening is that no one has ever held these individuals accountable for the countless baseless claims they’ve made—and continue to make—despite offering no credible evidence to support any of them. Richard is no longer here to defend himself. Most of his family members have chosen to live quietly, away from the glare of the public eye. And Doreen, understandably, keeps to herself, seeking peace and privacy—a right she absolutely deserves after everything she’s been through.
      As for the numerous stories floating around from people claiming to have visited Richard at San Quentin, I can’t help but approach them with deep skepticism. Out of curiosity, I looked into the prison’s visiting procedures and communication rules, and even by today’s standards, they are incredibly strict. I imagine that the policies were different in the 1990s and early 2000s, but given the high-security nature of death row, it’s safe to assume that even back then, protocols around visitation and correspondence would have been tightly controlled.
      With that in mind, it’s hard to accept so many of these alleged visitations at face value. It’s one thing for immediate family, legal representatives, or a verified spouse to gain access—but pen pals and casual acquaintances? That would’ve been an uphill battle. So when people claim they regularly saw him, or had deeply personal exchanges, I can’t help but question the truth behind those narratives. It feels more like a way to insert themselves into a story they were never really part of.

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      1. Yes , nobody is held accountable for what happened and there are no rules . Thats both is the most worse.

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  19. This guy made Richard look like an lonely, antisocial animal behind plexiglas ! Maybe if I had seen and heard this in German I had noticed more easily what is wrong with it.

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  20. And I think Vivi is right because those films serve as a reminder or even as red flag that there is something absolutely wrong with this case .

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  21. This interviewer idiot asked this Harder guy ” what did he smell like ” ? OMG This to me has reached a different level of all what Ive seen before ! Its the worst by far.

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    1. These people are pathetic.

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  22. for some reason when I get a notification on here I click the bell thing and it tells me and unexpected error had occurred I don’t know why lol

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    1. WordPress is very glitchy, Sarah. I hardly get any notifications and I’m admin! 😅

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      1. haha it’s all g I’m just gonna for now figure out who’s replying to me 😂 but thnx for writing my name jay!
        also this that movie that Gil is gonna be on release yet? I totally forgot the name of it lol

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      2. I hope it’s been binned, but I doubt it. Hubbard Street: another project making money out of blood, death and Richard.
        Gil has his acting debut.. hold the popcorn! 😅

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      3. I can’t get my head around why Gil thinks it’s an appropriate thing to do. He was joking around in one of his infernal interviews; so happy that his character gets to punch “Richard”.

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      4. It does look hella corny. A small part of me wants to watch it because I love crime dramas set in Los Angeles and it’s interesting to see the city from a Hispanic perspective. But I wish they hadn’t made it a Richard-based thing and made their own killer.

        I say that as someone who’s writing my own fiction based on the Night Stalker case. But I’m not exploiting it for gore and horror at all. I want to make it truthful and not a murder fest.

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      5. There was absolutely no need to make their killer Richard, apart from to get people to watch it.

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  23. haha I’m scared to watch it tbh this man can’t freaking decide what he wants me be a cop, comedian actor. And in the film he what plays a retired gang member loool

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  24. I wrote a post about how long his appeals took. He died with two still pending. I also did a chapter in the book that goes deeper into it.

    Richard Ramirez’s Appeals

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  25. The visiting area was also cages at some point. You can see in some polaroids of him in prison, he’s in a mesh room. There were complaints about it from inmates’ families because they felt it was against their human rights to be caged with the prisoner, just for visits. They felt dehumanised by it.

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  26. Venning wrote a post that examines his appeals, I think she’s linked it.
    Although I wouldn’t wish cancer on my worst enemy, I am glad they didn’t get to execute him.

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    1. Richard s execution would have been the worst to happen. I can not imagine that . Not even think about it. No , never !

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  27. Yes , first there was the visiting area where you could walk around and there even was an automat for sweets. Than they built 8 cages into the visiting area. There was a litte table and 2 chairs in each cage. Thats what that German journalist reported. He saw Richard and Doreen twice , walking there arm in arm .And Richard seemed relaxed , he was even smiling . But about end of nineties they changed this and built the cages. Mr William Harder from Murderbilia said similiar things when asked about him visiting Richard in St Quentin . But Harder could see and speak to Richard only behind thick Plexiglas . Maybe there is a grading with the form of the visits ..Like visits behind plexiglas is the worst grade …for the most mal adjusted prisoners . Could function also as a sort of punishment to diszipline the inhabitants for future visits .

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  28. Richard spent 3 years in the Adjustment Center…when was this ? He was in E Block ..was it in his last years? And when he was in A.Center ,he must have been in trouble all the time ..Or was it because his chronical masturbation ? I can only assume how terrible all that must have been.. I saw some docu about prisons .. They talked about visits in prison. The prisoners said that many long term prisoners start refusing visits …because they run out of topics and the frustration gets so high sometimes , as , from the visitors side , they can just leave and go on living their normal lives , but the prisoner can not – but has to stay where he is ! I m aware of this very much and then I think about Doreen again…..( and Richard of course ) . How awful ..

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    1. Kaycee wrote two articles about Richard’s time in SQ, the information you need is all in here.

      San Quentin (Part One)

      San Quentin (Part Two)

      From the evidence Venning has recently seen, Richard was actively trying to arrange a visit with a penpal a few months before he died. The visitation forms kept “going missing”, but it looks as if he was still trying to see someone he wanted to see.

      Sadly, it seems to be quite true that families of incarcerated loved ones can fall by the wayside.

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  29. I m back , haha . And I have a question about why can your incredible work which is at Musty Smelly somehow “hidden ” not be promoted better , so that more people would be aware of it ? I saw it just per coincidence some days ago and at first I did not understand what was going on..but then I was extremely delighted to notice it is another part of the Expendable Crew work ! It is such a good work again..I m always so excited and pleased by the cool preciseness of you presenting facts in this case and in explaining and emphazising what was so awfully wrong in dealing with Richard and his case !He would sure be happy if he was able to see all this is beeing done for him..!

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    1. What do you mean? If you’re talking about that video on the YouTube channel “Musty Smelly”, that’s nothing to do with us.
      They copied and pasted our home page plus a few bits from other posts and fed it into some AI voice over and passed it off as their own work.
      They did not credit us until they were pulled up on it and eventually put our link in the description.
      We are not affiliated with the channel in any way. We don’t mind people sharing because it gets it out there, but we do mind people plagiarising and not linking.

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  30. Oh ..sorry .I did nt know that , and I did not understand it either ! I was so surprised when I saw that video ! I wondered why , it seemed to be so weird . Im still thinking about this ..and how can they do this ..It s weird ..weird weird . Not nice to do something like that ..I m so annoyed now . How could I not immediately understand it ..but I was confused something must be not correct . Because you don t do things like that ..it s not your style.. Then ..things are much worse on You Tube than I thought ..Thats a lesson to me ..I can only shake my head ! And how did they do that ..They behave like pirats ..Sorry they did that . Is there nothing that can be done about it , how..awful they did that !

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    1. Don’t worry about it. For future reference we have given permission for 2 YT channels to share our work, with the understanding that we’re credited. There’s also one Substack account who shares with our permission and also fully credits us.
      We definitely have not given anyone else our work and “Musty Smelly” did not approach us at all.
      They’ve finally put our link in the description, so that’s OK.
      The dreadful AI Richard is reading our blog out, including embedded links which have to be clicked; that’s why it sounds so weird and disjointed. You’re right, though, that video is definitely not our style.

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  31. I was so surprised when I saw it and of course I knew that you have nothing to do with Musty Smelly channel ..but I did not understand it ..In the future I will be able to be more critical . I m thinking about my naivity ..how did I not understand it immediately ..but I thought that I will ask here in the blog ..and then I calmed down about it. OMG

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    1. Don’t beat yourself up. It’s all fine.

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      1. Yes , everything allright again , but I find it not at all nice that Musty Smelly Channel acted this way . Not nice at all. But fortunately its yesterdays papers already now . Already forgotten .

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  32. I feel like drinking a Schnapps now. LOL.

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  33. I will watch that video again though . The ” side effects ” of beeing interested or engaged in the Nightstalker case are often so disturbing . About 4 weeks or so I saw Bizaar Bazaar which I found awful , almost unbearable . It was the first time. Then 2 weeks ago I saw a very disgusting video with niece Shelley talking about Richard in St Quentin and her visits there ..( intensive report about his compulsive m. problems there ) etc. and it took some days to accept this and not wasting time and nerves . And then I stumbled over , ( or into ) that video by Musty Smelly Channel…( I disliked and wondered about the awful name from the start ) . Now ..I learn to be more of a tough myself in order not upset myself about such nerve wrecking stuff . I could stay away from You Tube ..which I often do . But then ..my curiosity wins against rational thinking and I find myself in You Tube again . LOL. Take it easy but take it…Without You Tube I probably hadn t ever heard about Richard ! it s crazy !

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    1. Do you honestly believe Rosa, Richard’s sister, held Shelly’s head, forcing her to watch Richard jerking off? Whilst Doreen looked on, snacking on a cookie? Really? Or that the SQ guards were in on it? I realise the Ramirez family have untold problems, but I doubt it runs to “Watch your Tio masturbate, there’s a good girl”.
      That has been denied by another family member, and is probably another way for a niece who hardly knew him, to get some relevance in the story.

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      1. No of course not ! I hardly believe anything what comes from them . In the opposite ..I wonder about their personalities , characters ….No pride no style no conciounce ..etc. The one with Shelley when she was crying …and in between little films of St.Quentin E Block or Ad .Center ..then Shelley crying a little again…and trying to impress her audience …..This whole video upset me a little ..without believing her . But ..you can find this style in any gossip magazine . And then sometimes I can t get my fingers off from typing a comment .

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      2. It will never stop. She calls him her “hustle”‘ and will continue to wring every dollar she can out of it. It’s all for attention and money; without Richard’s notoriety they are nothing and no one would give a shit.
        None of it has any relevance to the case, or the trial. None of it.
        I know it upsets you, but try to see it for what it is.

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      3. I absolutely don’t believe there’s a shred of truth in those accusations. I’ve spoken to someone close to Rosa who verifies that story is a lie.

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      4. Please dont get me wrong , I despise those videos.., they are just as bad as the videos by the two guys (Tom Zenner ) and I still did not manage to finish the Carlo book , but I know I have to read it to the end , no doubt about that.

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  34. As I said I stumbled into Richards case by coincidence and I found myself in a BOMBARDEMENT of all those silly and pathetic docus and then ordered the CARLO BOOK …I don t want to bore you, or anyone as you know my story…My rescue Was Plain Site 2008 and YOU AND YOUR EXEPENDABLE BLOG and the BOOK !

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    1. You don’t bore us and your opinions or questions are as valid as anyone else’s here.

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      1. I got used to those videos and docu s by now , I guess . It took its time to differentiate all sources of information in a correct way and not mix them with facts of the trial.

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    2. You’re not boring
      My path into Richard’s world also began with doccos like Very Scary People and Carlos book. It was so hard to find any legal documents. Still is. I also happened upon plain site and it was eye opening. It was hard to find like minded people. Then I met Jay, who introduced me to Vennings. And I’ve learned so much from them.

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      1. Yes , thanks . Same with me ! Its like we get influenced and brainwashed . I don t understand why I m so upset about the videos as I don t take them very serious .But I guess its because I don t want to get manipulated . And I asked myself how the videos get produced etc. But I understand this has nt got much ( or anything ) got to do with the trial . So , I ll take it easy . I ve seen most of the crap anyway now and I ll be cool about it . It just took time to sort everything out , its a lot of stuff .And as its all in English I sometimes have to watch it more than once .( haha).

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