The Ex Parte Order

We found some interesting items when we accessed the case files during our stay in Los Angeles.

Because of that, we’ve been able to add more insight into the work already done, whether that is regarding the time Maria Hernandez really saw her attacker (spoiler: it wasn’t eight seconds, it was two) or the statement of facts showing how Halpin defied the court and refused to bring in Robert Christansen to be cross-examined over his ballistics report; the report that did not match the story the prosecutor was relaying.  We also discovered additional information regarding Tsai-Lian Yu and Jennie Vincow and have posted about those.

Other things we found were, for want of a better word, “incidentals”, little snippets of information that we hadn’t seen before as they weren’t in the public arena, and apart from giving some insight into the years between arrest and trial, they don’t actually add anything of consequence to the case itself.  They pique our interest, nothing more.  One such item was the letter written by Richard to Judge Morrow, sellotaped to a sheet of paper and filed away, forgotten for years.

Here is another: an ex parte order per Judge Morrow that we thought might interest you, too. At first glance, we assumed it was a visiting order like any other. We don’t know why the post-it note is on it or why Judge Morrow wanted it “kept separate from the others” but that flash of yellow amongst the sheaf of documents made us look a little closer.

Papers and Post-it Notes

“Court orders that witnesses Noemi Navarrete and Rosario Flores may visit with the defendant on 11-3-86 in the company of defense counsel Arturo Hernandez and Danilo Hernandez in the attorney visiting room at the Los Angeles County Jail”. (spelling discrepancies are within the document)

There are a few reasons why this is particularly interesting. The court order refers to both Nohemi, whom Richard had dated before he left for California, and Rosa as witnesses. This led us to think that perhaps they were going to be called as character witnesses, as we know Rosa was subpoenaed, leaving the possibility that Nohemi had been as well. Neither were called to trial to testify on Richard’s behalf. 

The meeting took place in the attorneys visiting room, where they would have privacy and wouldn’t have to converse with a sheet of plexiglass between them via telephone. It also shows us that Nohemi was visiting Richard just over a year after his arrest and her news interview in which she told reporters that she did not believe that Richard was the Night Stalker.

El Paso Herald Post, sorry it’s blurry.

Another intriguing matter is the order itself. As I understand it, ex parte orders are issued without notifying the opposing party and are issued in emergencies where time is of the essence. Typically issued in family situations where there might be a danger, threats of harassment, and in parental cases if a child might be in a precarious situation.  They may also be issued in cases of mental health and can be filed if it is thought that someone may require a medical evaluation.  Did Rosa have concerns about her brother’s state of mind?  If so, she was right, although that doesn’t explain Nohemi’s presence.

Unfortunately, beyond that basic description, I don’t know any more about ex parte orders (other than what an internet search can tell me) or why this one was issued in Richard’s case; it is just another frustrating question that we don’t have the answer to, but nonetheless, I thought that you all might be curious to see it.

185 responses to “The Ex Parte Order”

  1. Thank you, Jay. I am interested in every second detailed of him.

    We were told Richard didn’t want his Dad to testify, although he did, so maybe Richie was embarrassed by Naomi ‘s loyalty?

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    1. It frustrates the hell out of me; so many questions that we can’t answer.

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    2. But why should he be embarrassed by Noemi s loyalty ? That she had to see him there jail and everything ?

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      1. Richard seemed to care for her very much, and always went to see her when he went back to El Paso. We don’t know why she was there, but as this wasn’t a regular visit in a visitors room, that she and Rosa are referred to as witnesses, and his lawyers were present; we can only speculate that it was something to do with his defence.

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  2. Wow , thats sooo interesting ! Rosa and Nohemi visited Richard in this room , in a private setting ..! Ex parte order , never heard this before , but it seems to be something special …And Nohemi visited Richard even one year after his conviction , thats good to know ! I like what the newspaper reported about her and Richard , and that she didnt believe that Richard did those crimes ! Its so so good that you 3 found this !!

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    1. Poor Nohemi, wherever she is now, I hope she’s ok.

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      1. Last known, she also got married. I don’t know if she still is or not. Bt I believe she visited him again in SQ. I believe there’s a pic of she & him holding hands, *if* that’s her.

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      2. I like to think she saw him again. We have a picture of her as a young woman, but I haven’t posted it, it didn’t seem fair to her.

        Whatever the reason for that visit, ex parte orders are for emergencies, as far as I understand, which adds another layer of curiosity.

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    2. Sorry , I mean arrest , not conviction. I find this really highly interesting and important , if you hadnt gone to L.A .we would nt know about this ” secret little meeting ! ” And its good to know that Rosa and Noemi went there to visit Richard as we can see they cared for him .

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      1. I knew what you meant, don’t worry.
        I’m glad we found it, too, although we can’t shed any light on what was going on or why Morrow wanted it kept separately. An ex parte order bypasses a lot of the usual court channels, and it excludes the opposing party. I wish we knew more.

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      2. This story of Richard is really so heartbreaking sometimes !

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    3. It was worth burying ourselves in that basement under the baleful glares of the staff. Lol
      For me, finding the document where Halpin defied a court request that he bring in Robert Christansen (the firearms officer who made the original ballistics report) so he could be questioned by the defence, was most significant. There’s no way he was going to have that evidence laid out because it didn’t fit his theories. People need to stop listening to Carrillo and start studying court papers.

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      1. Maybe Noemi also saw him the weekend of Richard’s trip home in May. The one documented with a picture at his niece’s 1st Communion..

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      2. That’s an interesting thought. If so, I imagine Richard would’ve wanted her kept out of it. We always wonder why Rosa wasn’t called regarding that or anything else.

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  3. Yes , the Christensen thing is more important but its so good to know about Rosa s and Noemi s visit , as it is something nice and positive about his private life , his family and private affairs . As there is sooo much b.s . written on You Tube about his awful family , his awful hořrible childhood , the awful violent father , the neglecting mother , if he only had have a bit of love etc. but he didnt , he had no love at all from no one … Plus this extra bs in the Carlo book ..Thats why its so nice to read about Rosa s and Noemi s visit .

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  4. Ever since I first learned about this case, I’ve been consumed with the thought that the San Francisco trial should have happened, that it should have been publicized. Richard had competent lawyers—lawyers who actually gave a damn about their jobs. They would have had to use at least some of the shoddy evidence and unreliable testimony that marred the LA trial, which would have exposed the glaring holes in that circus of a case. If the San Francisco trial had been made public, those who were so confident in the LA conviction would have been forced to confront the undeniable truth: this was not a “one and done” situation. There was more to it, and the facts would have forced them to back up their claims. But I know this is just wishful thinking. I know deep down that I wouldn’t want to subject Richard to the trauma of another trial, and the media was already so deeply biased against him when the San Francisco trial was supposed to take place. Add to that the unthinkable obstacle of the 19 death sentences from the LA trial, and the whole plan would have been doomed from the start. What’s truly heartbreaking is how his fate was sealed long before he even stepped foot in court. The injustice is suffocating!

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    1. His SF lawyers had every intention of fighting the case initially, I think the realisation hit them that it was impossible, given Richard’s behaviour and mental health problems.

      I imagine that both Halpin and Carrillo secretly breathed a sigh of relief that the failings in LA weren’t going to be exposed, leaving those convictions open to getting overturned. That way, they’ve been able to say he did the Pan crimes without having to prove a thing.

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      1. Seeing people confidently claim in comment sections that Richard was convicted of the Pan crimes is a huge red flag—it’s a clear indication that they don’t actually know anything about the case. How can someone be convicted of a crime that never even went to trial? It’s mind-boggling how often misinformation gets repeated so much that people accept it as fact without question.

        This is yet another instance of the spillover effect in action. Because Richard was convicted of the crimes in Los Angeles, many assume—without any critical thought—that he must have also been guilty of the crimes in San Francisco. The logical leaps people make are absurd, yet somewhat understandable when you consider how the media and law enforcement have shaped the public narrative for decades. When a person is demonized so completely, society stops caring about the details, and any crime remotely fitting the pattern is automatically pinned on them, whether or not there’s actual evidence.

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      2. It’s also shrouded in secrecy as Richard was indicted by grand jury, so we don’t even know what evidence they used.

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      3. Yeah and it even seems as if the S.F. prosecutor wanted to use L.A. evidence as spillover. This makes me think Pan couldn’t stand for itself. Of course he’d have been found guilty of it if the trial had happened, just by association. The satanic link would be enough confirmation bias. It’s very frustrating how thick people are.

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      4. He could never have got a fair trial, that’s a fact.

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      https://youtu.be/QGevcwC3j_A?feature=shared
      Does anyone know if this is video when he was in San Quentin, in SF with a new lawyer? I could be wrong. The other person in this video gives him a handshake with an extra caressing hand on top like he was really caring to help and knew R wasn’t a terrible person.
      https://youtu.be/Wi1n22vMJPI?feature=shared
      Next video the same guy pats him on the back affectionately. Not sure if I’d treat someone like that if I knew they were guilty. Just my opinion.
      https://www.dailynews.com/2006/06/07/lawyer-wants-night-stalker-freed/
      An article I just found on a female lawyer of his.

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      1. Both of those videos are from the San Francisco hearings. The one in the blue/grey shirt is from when he had been removed from San Francisco jail and taken back to San Quentin, and just brought back to SF for hearings. The one with the red suit is earlier, when he was still being housed in SF.
        The man you see is his lawyer, Randall Martin. A highly competent public defender; Richard fired him later.

        I’ve seen the article on Geraldine Russell, but thanks for posting it, others may not have.

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      2. The only reason Richard couldn’t fully grasp just how utterly abysmal—no, downright clownish—his lawyers were during his LA trial was because he was incompetent! And I don’t mean that as an insult to him—I mean it in the tragic, infuriating sense that his mental state was so compromised, he never even stood a chance at realizing the scam they were pulling.

        Anyone with a shred of rational thinking could have seen through their pathetic excuse for legal representation, even without a deep understanding of the legal system. But Richard? How could he? He was drowning under the weight of everything he had been through—the hard drugs, the relentless trauma, the horrific abuse, and, as if that weren’t enough, the countless brain injuries he suffered throughout his life. Dozens of head injuries, each one chipping away at his ability to think clearly, to defend himself, to see the truth. How could anyone expect him to navigate something as complex as a high-profile murder trial when his mind had been broken down long before he even set foot in that courtroom?

        When I first read the article that you shared a while back, I was beyond pissed. The sheer idiocy of it all. It wasn’t just incompetence on his lawyers’ part—it was exploitation, negligence, and outright malpractice. They failed him in every possible way, and the system let them get away with it. It’s disgusting. It’s a huge “fuck you”!

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      3. Which article was that?
        Richard’s inability to assist his lawyers is one of the worst things about this case, although, even had he been rational, the Hernandezes couldn’t have saved him.
        It’s tragic,

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      4. Lol I worded that weirdly. The one that selflessrebel linked. At the end the DA was very passive aggressive.

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      5. Yes, I think I mentioned that in “Shapeshifter”. Blaming Richard for his choice of lawyers.. ugh. Lawyers should do their damn jobs correctly in the first place!

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      6. If he had been in a rational state of mind, there’s no way he would have let those two clowns anywhere near his case—let alone trust them with his life. He would have seen them for what they were: incompetent, self-serving frauds who had no business representing him.

        And maybe, just maybe, if he had been thinking clearly, he wouldn’t have gotten tangled up in this entire nightmare to begin with. Perhaps he would have made different choices, avoided certain people, seen the warning signs before it was too late. But how could he? With everything he had been through—the trauma, the abuse, the brain injuries—his ability to recognize danger, to make sound decisions, had been stripped away long before any of this even started. In the end, it wasn’t just his lawyers that failed him—it was life itself.

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  5. Noemi was Richard’s first love?

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    1. No, that was Gloria.

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      1. Ahhh ok 👍

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  6. what I find interesting is that barely anyone came to testify for Richard while the prosecutors had many people testify for them.

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    1. The defence didn’t call them, the family say in their declarations that, had they been called, they would have testified on his behalf.

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      1. It’s infuriating that the defence didn’t call them if the family said they would have testified that could have helped Richard a bit, this actually is so frustrating to me how incompetent the defence was.

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      2. I imagine Richard wasn’t keen on them talking to lawyers, as we’ve seen during his time in San Francisco, where he actively sabotaged his lawyers in their attempts to help him. He was against his father testifying in LA, so it’s likely the same for anyone else.

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      3. Oh right right he did indeed do that I totally forgot about that! Thnx Jay for another great read keep it up you 3!

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      4. Thanks, Sarah. I am glad you found it interesting.

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      5. Of course! This blog and book is the most interesting of any blog I’ve ever read very well written, researched, investigated and more and it shows!

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  7. Who is Gloria ? Its the one on a foto made in El Paso I think ? His first girlfriend ?

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    1. His first girlfriend.

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  8. He didnt want his father at the trial , it must have been such a torture when he saw his father in the courtroom ….I dont want to imagine this . OMG

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    1. I felt very sorry for Julian Snr, who couldn’t recollect the exact date Richard left El Paso, it must’ve been so horrible for him.

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  9. But his father had to be there …its inevitable . But I understand Richards deep embarrasment .

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  10. I know this might seem completely irrelevant, but today, I felt an overwhelming sense of sadness knowing that it would have been Richard’s 65th birthday. I couldn’t stop thinking about how his life and freedom were stolen from him—how he was condemned without solid evidence to support his guilt, left to wither away in a prison cell at San Quentin. It breaks my heart knowing that he spent his final years suffering, trapped in a system that never gave him a fair chance.

    I don’t know everything about prison culture, but I do know that San Quentin is notorious for its cruelty. From what I’ve learned, it’s a place of relentless emotional, physical, and—above all—psychological torment. To imagine Richard enduring that kind of existence, to know that it contributed to the deterioration of his mental and physical health, is unbearable. He wasn’t just locked away—he was subjected to an existence that drained the life from him little by little.

    At the same time, I feel an undeniable anger toward the people who used him, abused him, and ultimately discarded him. He was dehumanized in so many ways, not just by the system but by those who pretended to care for him while exploiting his suffering. I first learned the truth about Richard and his case around this time last year, and the weight of that realization still lingers. Today is just another painful reminder of the reality of this entire nightmare.

    I don’t know if anyone else feels this way, but I haven’t felt this kind of sorrow since last June, near the anniversary of his death. It’s a heavy, aching grief—one that doesn’t seem to fade. I don’t know how I grieve for someone who I have never met.

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    1. It’s not irrelevant at all, and I feel as you do.
      The system that condemned him was, and continues to be, seriously flawed. I veer between sadness for everyone who suffered, and intense rage for how Richard was treated, and usually end up feeling utter disbelief that it happened.
      There has been many sleepless nights over this, and like you, in February and June I take time to consider and remember.

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      1. I agree—sometimes I find myself wishing it were all just a terrible nightmare, something I could wake up from and realize never truly happened. There are moments when it feels almost impossible to grasp, beyond the limits of rational thought and human comprehension, that the horrors the victims endured were real. That Richard was real. That he lived, breathed, and suffered in ways most people could never begin to understand.

        It haunts me to think about the pain he carried, from childhood to his final breath—a lifetime shaped by violence, neglect, and betrayal. No matter how much time passes, the weight of it all doesn’t seem to lessen. It lingers like a cruel reminder that some realities are too tragic to make sense of, too heavy to fully process. It’s nice to know that there is at least someone out there who feels similarly to how I do.

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      2. Believe me, it changed how I view the world; it changed all of us, me, Venning, Kaycee, and (I suspect) you, too.
        This case is something I will never be able to mentally remove myself from, and I accept that.
        Looking back at his life, those early years, when he desperately needed help, is extremely upsetting. I struggle to comprehend a life like that.

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      3. I think this entire experience has left me far more pessimistic and jaded than I ever was before. It completely shattered the rose-colored glasses through which I once viewed the world—something that, in some ways, is both a blessing and a curse.

        On one hand, losing that naive optimism has allowed me to see things more clearly. I’ve learned hard but necessary truths about how the world truly functions—how justice isn’t always just, how people are often far more manipulative and self-serving than we’d like to believe, and how suffering is frequently overlooked or even exploited rather than alleviated. It’s been an eye-opening experience, stripping away illusions and exposing the raw, often brutal reality of human nature.

        But on the other hand, that clarity comes at a cost. There’s a certain comfort in believing that the world operates fairly, that people get what they deserve, and that truth always prevails. Losing that sense of security leaves behind a kind of emptiness—a realization that things don’t always make sense, that justice is flawed, and that people’s fates are often determined by forces far beyond their control.

        Through this case, I’ve learned more than I ever expected—not just about psychology, mental health, and the legal system, but also about the deeper, often unspoken mechanisms that govern society. It’s unsettling to realize just how much is hidden beneath the surface, how easily narratives are shaped, and how little people actually question what they’re told. It’s strange to think about, but once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

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      4. Venning and I just listened to the final episode of Cousins by Blood (remember I wrote about Ivan Cantu ‘s wrongful execution last year?)
        It’s been one year since he died and that case is another that highlights just how broken the justice system is.
        I am angry all over again.

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      5. Yes, I remember that case. I was researching the Cantu case alongside DeLuna’s and Richard’s, and while there are clear differences between them, the parallels are undeniable. Each of these cases forced me to seriously reconsider my stance on the death penalty. It’s easy for people to reduce them to nothing more than statistics—just another number in the prison system, another name on death row—but they were living, breathing human beings, for god’s sake!

        It’s absolutely sickening what people in the justice system are allowed to get away with. They stripped these men of everything—their dignity, their humanity, their right to a fair chance. The system chewed them up and spat them out, indifferent to the lives it destroyed in the process. And for what? To uphold some illusion of justice? To satisfy the bloodlust of a society that would rather see someone punished—anyone—than admit its own failures?

        Cases like these are exactly why I want to become a public defender. I refuse to sit on the sidelines and watch this happen over and over again. You can’t win the game if you’re just standing in the crowd. If real change is ever going to happen, someone has to step into the warzone that is the justice system and start dismantling it piece by piece. I want to be in that fight, to tear down the rot from the inside and help rebuild something better.

        I’m literally muttering cuss words as I type this right now. That’s how pissed off I am.

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      6. You will make a brilliant public defender, and will make a difference because you actually care.
        Often justice is merely an illusion, it’s not real.

        Lazy or dodgy cops and attorneys make a mockery of the whole thing.

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      7. Thank you so much—that truly means a lot coming from you!

        Justice is such a strange and complex word. We all have different assumptions and perspectives on what it truly means. Some see it as retribution, the “eye for an eye” philosophy, where punishment is inflicted in equal measure to the crime. Others believe in restorative justice, where offenders and victims come together in an attempt to heal, reconcile, and find a path forward. Then there’s legal or procedural justice, which operates under the idea that laws and due process should guide how punishment is determined while also facilitating rehabilitation. These are the main forms of justice, but in reality, I think most of us like to believe we lean toward the second or third one.

        But when someone is accused of something as monstrous as what Richard was accused of, that primal, animalistic nature within us ignites. Suddenly, we don’t care about due process, about facts, about fairness. We want to see them suffer. We want them to feel every ounce of pain they supposedly inflicted on their victims. And the worst part? This happens at the mere accusation. From the moment Richard’s face was plastered across newspapers and blaring from TV screens, forever branded as the “Night Stalker,” the world had already decided he was guilty. This was before a single piece of evidence was presented, before any testimony was given, before he even had a chance to defend himself.

        And to some degree, I understand where that reaction comes from. When we hear about heinous crimes, our instinct is to seek revenge, to demand immediate justice. But this kind of justice is not justice at all—not in a civilized society.

        The American justice system claims to have safeguards in place, to protect the fundamental and constitutional rights of all its people. But in practice? People like Richard are thrown headfirst into an unwinnable battle, dragged through an ocean of legal warfare and media-driven hysteria, often with little to no real support. The entire system feels fabricated and fragmented, a performance masquerading as fairness.

        I completely agree—justice is nothing more than an illusion. The system should be one where, no matter your background, you have a fair chance at defending yourself. But instead, it feels like the disadvantaged are tossed into a coliseum, left to fight with nothing but their bare hands against a beast designed to consume them whole. It’s beyond frustrating—it’s infuriating.

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      8. The American justice system can claim what it likes, we all know it’s not true. I do understand the feelings of overwhelming vengeance, and the need for someone to blame. Anyone. That’s where the problems start.
        The USA, with it’s penchant for media interference, guarantees that an accused person won’t get a fair trial. Look at the state of the Mangione circus, already the mayor of NYC and the police chief have been all over the media discussing evidence that Mangione’s defence team haven’t been allowed access to. That manifesto, for example. I haven’t followed the case faithfully (although one of my best friends actually works for Brian Thompson’s company, yep, it’s true) but I have been interested in how it was/is covered by the press.

        I was reminded of Los Angeles’s mayor spouting off that no trial was needed, because he KNEW Richard was guilty. It’s a similar situation, where law enforcement, backed up by a mayor, are allowed to influence the narrative. In these cases, justice is only a facade, a box ticking exercise. Of course Mangione is slightly luckier than Richard, he has money for his defence.

        I once saw a comment by a working public defender who said that the reality of their job is often driving plea bargains, because the prosecution is supplied with limitless funds, and although the public defenders are state funded, they do not get as much money; hence the plea bargains. It’s almost as if they are in place to satisfy the 6th amendment, but just because someone is assigned an attorney, it doesn’t always mean that due process is being followed at all.

        It’s funny you mention the colosseum, I mentioned something similar in a post I wrote, I think it was “And Justice for All”, I likened the unfair advantages that the prosecution has as gladiators facing off where one has only a wooden sword, or something like that.
        That’s the point of Cronic and Strickland, to try and avoid these issues.

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      9. Same old story—nearly half a century later. I know it may sound extreme, but I can’t help but feel that the media has become the enemy of the American people. Those with the money to line the media’s pockets and the power to control the narrative ultimately emerge as the winners in a system that is supposed to uphold impartiality and justice. Yet, time and time again, we see that justice is often reserved for those who can afford it, while the rest are left to fend for themselves in a rigged game.

        I originally wanted to be a prosecutor. But the more I learned, the more I realized I wouldn’t be content with simply bringing cases forward when so many in this country are left defenseless. The system is broken. Public defenders are forced to navigate a minefield just to complete the most basic tasks for their clients. They are underpaid, overworked, and placed at a severe disadvantage at every turn. It’s as if the obstacles are deliberately designed to hinder them—to make their job as difficult as possible. Richard Ramirez’s legal battles are a clear example of this.

        I’ve never understood why the prosecution and defense are compensated so differently. If the state has the power to bring a case against someone, it should also have the responsibility to ensure that the defendant’s counsel is properly equipped and resourced. Otherwise, how can we call it a fair trial? But fairness doesn’t seem to be the priority—it never has been.

        As I’ve said before, I believe the U.S. justice system has a solid framework—imperfect, but workable. However, the issue lies in its execution. A blueprint alone does not make a house, just as a system cannot be called just if its foundational principles are ignored. You can draft the most ideal legal structure on paper, but if those in power refuse to follow it, then it’s nothing more than an illusion of justice.

        Even if a gladiator—the defendant—manages to survive the brutal battle against the beast that is the justice system, he will never leave unscathed. Some people do manage to escape the tangled web, but often at the cost of their finances, families, job prospects, education, and overall well-being. And once they are spit back into the real world, there is little to no assistance to help them truly start over. Rehabilitation is a myth when people are left with no options. The desperation that follows often leads them right back into the same cycle of crime and imprisonment. It’s a vicious, inescapable loop—one that I can only describe as legalized torture.

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  11. vivi girl it’s not irrelevant at all I agree with jay too it’s sad to even think about. Lots was taken from him. Idk if anyone does this or not but last year and this year Ik he’s dead but I still wished him a happy birthday.

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  12. I was watching on Tubi the show on the true crime section “13 times evil” and yes you guessed it Richard as always is there and mentioned, and this is the first time they said that he was executed in the gas chamber at the age of 70! What more BS can these people come up with OMG!

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    1. Isn’t that amazing! Lol
      Seeing as he would only be 65 now, if he hadn’t died at age 53.
      Who are these people?imagine putting out a video and not doing your research.

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      1. It really makes me angry, this is the first time I heard such a ridiculous lie. I don’t know who these people are but they need to do their proper research. And they make these videos sounds so believable ughhh

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    2. No way! That’s crazy!

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      1. I took a video just for proof but girl yes way! I don’t know how much they can keep this up!

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      2. It sometimes feels like even an ape could make a better documentary these days.

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      3. Right?! They will do anything for money, anything to make Richard the bad guy the monster etc…. Nobody cares at all for the truth and all those followers of Gil lol jeez some of them haven’t even done a proper research or any at all yet they say we need to or that we haven’t done proper research. Like you said an ape would make a better documentary I totally agree 100%, we should honestly train apes to do that lol

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    3. LMAO even Richard’s wikipedia page is more accurate than that.

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      1. Haha! That’s saying something.

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      2. How an idiotic mistake like that managed to slip into a so-called documentary on a major streaming platform is beyond me. I mean, it’s really not that hard to fact-check—Google exists, people! But then again, I shouldn’t be surprised. I’ve seen media get even basic details completely wrong, like claiming certain victims died when they were very much alive, or the opposite—magically resurrecting people who were actually deceased. And let’s not forget the cherry on top: when they just conveniently erase certain victims altogether, as if they never existed. But sure, tell me again how this is “thorough investigative journalism” and not just a sloppy, sensationalized mess.

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      3. The researchers must be incredibly lazy.

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      4. Common theme throughout this entire case.

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      5. Hahaha I agree, I just don’t understand why people can’t just do their research properly like what’s the big deal about finding the truth it’s not gonna kill them or hurt them! It will just make them more aware of the justice system and stuff which everyone should be! My little cousins and 14 year old niece even understood better about this case than these other people that get their info from Gil or YouTube lol the world is just such a disaster!

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      6. I can only think they’re just regurgitating the same content as everyone else; apart from us.

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      7. Yup I agree! It’s just I’ve been noticing how much research they’ve all done about other criminals and put in the time to do it well but it’s always when it comes to Richard’s Gil said this Gil said that lol omg I hear GIL talk forever, this man’s a hero. lol I laugh at these comments anytime I come across them.

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  13. ”Ramirez was in his early 70’s before he was finally executed” as told by the documentary dude lol

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    1. Crazy! Someone was smoking strong stuff before saying that.

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      1. I said the exact same thing to myself I was like this dude on crack or something, unbelievable just unbelievable. How can they not do their research it’s not hard at all!!

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  14. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it mentality.

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  15. I was going through some pictures of Richard and i don’t know why I haven’t noticed this but it seems that Richard has a small dark mole on the right side of his face near his lips unless that’s an injury I might be wrong tho but thought I might point that out cuz I’ve seen it in few pictures of him

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    1. Depending on the quality of the photo, some moles are more visible than others at different times.

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      1. Ahhh yes indeed but I was wondering that if indeed he had those moles I never heard any victims stating that the night stalker had a mole cuz some victims had a chat with the suspect and saw his smile I forgot which victim but there was I think at least 2 of them.

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      2. I think it very unlikely that any surviving victim would have taken in those details, unless the moles were huge.

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      3. I haven’t thought about that, yes you’re absolutely if the moles were huge then it would be very noticeable for the surviving victims, and cuz his were small no one can notice it and when he smiles sometimes the skin covers it, ugh idk why I have thought about that!

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      4. No, I think you make a valid observation, at least in Carlo Kyle’s case.

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      5. I did?! Oh sweet thnx Jay! But ya I have noticed Richard had few moles and there were small yes but dark.

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      6. Haha! You don’t need to thank me for expressing an opinion, your comments are always welcome.
        Personally, I think terrified, traumatised people are unlikely to notice these things, unless they are very prominent.
        With Carol Kyle, as she gave such emphasis to her attacker having very good teeth, that must have been something noticeable that she was able to focus on.

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      7. Hehe you’re so sweet Jay! And as for carol kyle I agree with you and also her description seemed the most obvious that it wasn’t Richard I mean Richard got his teeth fixed in January I think of 1986, so with his arrest being on august 31 st 1985 he would still at that point have rotten bad and missing teeth so how others couldn’t understand is beyond me lol.

        But also this whole case is just lazy beginning to end, the popo’s got too lazy to find the actually night stalker(s) so they wanted an easy target and they got that with Richard, and it feels like cops and by cops I mean GILY boy just made up a fantasy with this case based.

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  16. has is ever been mentioned that Richard mutilated a victims body or harmed a disabled women?

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    1. Yes.
      Maxine Zazzara’s eyes were removed and there was an unusual laceration on her chest.
      Lillie Doi had suffered a stroke, and although the charge was dropped, Lillie was still a victim.
      Florence Lang was described as an “invalid”, she may have been wheelchair bound. Her sister, Mabel Bell had a blistered burn mark below one breast.

      The suffering of those poor women is unimaginable.

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      1. I gotta read up on these crimes again but thnx for reminding me Jay! And yes absolutely agree those poor women and what they went through is so tragic and sad and indeed unimaginable.

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      2. Sometimes a little refresher is worthwhile.

        However badly the investigations and trial were handled, and how appalling the defence was, at the heart of it was real human suffering.

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      3. It sure was real human suffering. I just can’t believe all of this it look like what you’d see in movies or tv shows, feels so unreal especially the trial and how the case was handled

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      4. Everything about the case is ‘Hollywood weird’.

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      5. Never imagined cops being so lazy up until I read about this case and what you guys have written which really changed my view on the justice system.

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  17. How long did Richard stay in San Francisco Jail ? One time he was flown to St.Quentin in a helicopter , and I read that he liked it. Gil Carillo or Salerno were with him , don t know whether thats true. Yesterday I googeled San Francisco Jail , 850 Bryant Street. And there is a helicopter landing place on the roof of that building…So this must have been the area were the helicopter took off..And thats the jail were Watkiss made his Interview in 1991 ….” in a crammed room in San Francisco Jail “.

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    1. I wrote about this in the book: Gil Carrillo claimed that he and Salerno were meant to travel up to San Quentin. Carrillo then said they didn’t go in the end because they thought Richard might start a fight in the air and they’d have to shoot him which would lead to a public enqiry. The man loves to tell stories…
      He must have been moved from SQ down to the S.F. County jail in 1991. He was moved back to SQ in 1993 due to security issues. Too many women were coming to see him and it required extra police deputies which cost the city and taxpayers money. His lawyers objected to the move but the courts ruled it.

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      1. I m a bit off the actual topic but nevertheless I m still very much interested in Richard and his case. But right now I have just some non connected questions , hope I don t repeat myself. For example : after Richards capture the capital crimes stopped for a while and then continued, but it seemed as if police and L.A.people were not as hysteric as before Richards capture. I think you wrote about that. I ve also read some newspaper articles about this. But , was there a significant change ? And . what would you say was the most striking circumstancial evidence to the police / L.A politicians ? Was it the pentagram which appeared at different occasions ? I can t imagine what it was like to live in that Satanic Panic time and I didnt find very much about that time in L.A. ..Did the police analyse the painted pentagrams ..? I don t think so.And..they obviously didnt try to find other suspects from that Satanic szene? A friend of mine thought about Richard s personality and his mental impairment and asks wether Richard really just played the role of the Nightstalker ! As he liked the sudden fame . This is absurd , I know but ..police actually didn t have hard evidents . Yesterday I ve found some comments on You Tube which were more critical than the other stuff there. The comment guy said how ridiculous it was how police found Richard after they had put his name into the New Miracle Machine ..which of course was the Computer. The comment was 4 years old. They should have said HOW they found Richard with this miracle machine. People thought they had put in that fingerprint from the car but they did nt.

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      2. I found that two similar crimes occurred within two weeks after his arrest, so there wasn’t ever a break. There were also gaps of a week or more during the actual attacks attributed to the Night Stalker too so two weeks is nothing.

        The most striking circumstantial evidence was definitely the shoeprints and the connection to Solano and the stolen property.

        I think the police did examine the pentagrams and determined that they were made from lipstick.

        The YouTube commenter must have read Philip Carlo because he exposed the lie about the magic computer program. Then over time, that aspect was forgotten again until we resurrected it on here.

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      3. Ah. Yes of course the Avia s and Solano were the most imoprtant circumstancial evidents .. I knew that of course .. But ..sometimes its all messed in my head up somehow…the pentagram was like the biggest joinder. Its interesting that it was Carlo who first revealed the Miracle Machine thing. Plus , obviously the crimes went on , yes. ..Weird that Carlo seems to know lots of things…Why . Or how could he know that miracle thing ..He read the police reports..?

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      4. I would guess that Carlo read the newspapers and then asked Carrillo about it and realised that there were two differing accounts. Which is actually how I discovered this. What Salerno and Carrillo said on Netflix didn’t match the Los Angeles Times. So I wrote about it thinking ‘wow’ then discovered that Carlo already did, decades earlier! Carlo must have had access to trial transcripts but he also interviewed Carrillo – he must have because the book focuses heavily on his role. Before that, Salerno was the “star” detective. I wonder if there are tapes anywhere.

        I don’t know if the pentagram really was the biggest joinder because the police downplayed the Satanic aspect. It was the media who went crazy with that and only after his capture. Pentagrams were only at one Los Angeles County crime and then the one in San Francisco. Then in 1986 it was revealed that the killer said “swear upon satan” at two incidents. I don’t know if the prosecutor made a huge deal out of that stuff.

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      5. So. Richard was not taken to St. Quentin by helicopter ? I have read an article which stated that Richard had enjoyed that flight by helicopter so much etc. ! Not true ?

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      6. He was taken by helicopter to LAX airport and then transported by plane to San Quentin via wherever the nearest airport is.

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  18. I’m curious as to why he’s been always moved from prison to prison or is that usually how a criminal trial works? I don’t understand much of these trials aha

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    1. When he was arrested he was put into LA County Jail, while awaiting trial. For a brief spell he was moved to Orange County to answer the charges for the Carns/Erickson attack. He did not stand trial in OC.
      Then he was moved back to LA County to await his trial for the LA crimes. After he was convicted in LA he was incarcerated in San Quentin where he was to serve his sentence/execution.
      A couple of months after that he was moved to San Francisco Jail to stand trial for the Pan crimes. He got moved back to SQ because of security issues caused by women queueing up to see him, and so they moved him between SQ and SF for court appearances until the SF trial was stayed indefinitely. Afterwards he remained in SQ until his death.

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      1. Ohh wowww I don’t know if I’ve missed reading that part in the blog or book but first time I heard he had to move cuz of those girls! Groupies and fan girls jeez! Thnx Jay!

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      2. Yes, we’ve covered it. It meant they needed more security guards around to supervise, etc. It was causing problems.

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      3. Jeez how did I miss that?! But wow ofc in a situation like that they’d need more people for protection I mean can you imagine if all those girls just came at him all together! Poor Richard!

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      4. It’s more to do with the volume of people in the visiting area meant they needed more staff. They weren’t allowed to swarm over him, there was a schedule. Lol

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      5. Haha I thought so, knowing Richard even if it were women I don’t think he’d like a swarm of people around him like that

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  19. I don’t know if you guys have heard seen this video but in thais video you can hear Richard confronting a guy cuz he was pretending to be Richard and saying he’d break into peoples houses.

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    1. I don’t think so. Can you drop a link?

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    2. I’ve seen it yeah, it’s Eric Holler’s phone call. I don’t think Richard understood how people can just say anything they want online. Back then it must have been chatrooms and forums because it was the 90s!

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      1. Yeah.. now it’s been explained I do know the video.

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      2. Ahhhh I see also who’s Eric Holler?

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      3. I know little about him other than he was a buyer and seller of serial killer paraphernalia. Richard sent him his pictures, he sold them and I assume they split the cash until it was discovered.

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      4. Omg jeez why would he do that I guess for money ya. Jeez they will do anything to ruin Richard! I’ve seen few things done from other people that’s I don’t think Richard has done or said at all

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      5. I think Richard was in on it, as he made money from the sales.

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      6. I mean ya it makes sense since he needed money.

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  20. Oh my comment which I ve written is gone .. maybe you have got it ? I wrote about all those Transports…and in 1991 the Watkiss Interview took place and also Maury Show in August 91. And all the girls ..It was a lot going on for Richie . I hope he enjoyed it. LOL. Helicopter landing place on the roof of this weird prison in S.F. Maybe he was housed on the 6 th floor and Watkiss went there by elevator… And I d guess they were all confused and jelaous….There s soo much to this case it takes a lot of time to get to know and check and understand everything !

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    1. No, Venning replied to it.

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  21. I try to imagine the girls queing up to get a glimpse of Richard ..or even an autogramm…really soo funny…I can t..

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  22. The man of their awful sleepless nights listening to Billy Idol while thinking about Richard…Plus . Doreen and Cynthia Hayden .OMG its understandable .

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  23. Ahhh …crazy that they revealed only after his capture , only in 86 that the killer had said :Swear upon Satan…how can you know all that ! Then sure the Media made a big thing out of that. But Richard also painted this pentagram on the police car… 1000 things to remember ..! Richard was flown to LAX . I didnt know that ..Thanks.

    ats

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  24. We know about Richard s mental problems , and his paranoid thinking and behaviour .. Do you think Carlo took Richard serious at all ? How could there be 100 hours on tape . But ..maybe this is a silly question.And already answered with the help of that awful Peackock docu. Its exagerrated or even not true . I tried to imagine how they first met …and how they got along.

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    1. I think the “100 hours on tape” claim is an exaggeration. There may be 100 hours of Richard, Doreen and his siblings on tape but I doubt there was that much of Richard otherwise it would have been revealed by now. In my opinion, Carlo didn’t take him seriously and only cared about making money from the sensation of the cases and trial which is why so much of it is fictionalised.

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    2. I can’t imagine Carlo thought much of Richard. He called him a “creature” in one audio I heard.
      Perhaps they maintained a professional relationship during the prep work for the book, but later Richard called him a weasel, with good reason. If there is really 100 hours of tape it probably contains a tonne
      of filler.

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  25. there are even so many edited pictures of Richard I’ve seen and still see where he’s smiling and it shows “straight white teeth”

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    1. But they’re not his teeth. They’re photoshopped in by girls who can’t stand their “idol” not having perfect teeth.

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      1. Oh yes I knew that already but it’s crazy that some people actually believe those pictures are real! Cuz I’ve seen the edits and the real picture and the way Richard smiles and the way he smile is nothing at all like the edits.

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      2. I can’t stand the altered pictures, and yes, they will fool some people.

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      3. It’s just wrong so wrong! Very misleading! Sometimes I think that those that believe those edited pictures will call us liars and stuff for calling them out it’s crazy!

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      4. His dental problems are so well documented you’d have to be an idiot to believe it.

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      5. Damn right you’d have to be! Even is one suspect sketch I think is carol Kyle’s, she clearly states “straight white teeth” how so people believe it’s Richard is beyond me. Sometimes I tell myself that because Richard was a criminal and a petty one at that and his life style and criminal record it doesn’t matter if people make up shit about him cuz hey he’s already a criminal! If you don’t want to do proper research or anything then just stop talking easy!

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      6. Most of them believe the lie that every victim mentioned his bad teeth because of Carrillo.

        We know that’s a lie.
        Carol Kyle was the first to mention teeth and she said they were straight and white.
        No one else mentioned them at all until Somkid Khovananth in July, who said they were bad. Sakina Abowath changed her description after being interviewed again by the police, the way the report is worded suggests she was asked a leading question about the teeth.

        Richard had bad teeth, that’s a given, but LA was (and still is) awash with addicts with bad teeth. Of the surviving victims, only three talk about teeth. One mentioned grotty teeth independently, one was asked a leading question which caused a change in her statement and the other said the teeth were great.

        The bad teeth description from every victim is another Night Stalker myth.

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      7. Wow that’s a lot to take in, that’s crazy how one man turned tragic crimes into some famous fantasy story. How this was allowed I will never understand! Yes there were only 3 survivors that mentioned teeth. Even in the suspect line up if I remember correctly someone on here mentioned forgot who but they mentioned that in the line up Richard was the only one that got his hair cleaned and neat and looked different than the other guys in the line up!

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  26. I was thinking about this for a while and wanted to check it out with you guys, ok so you know how Richard said he’s a fan of Jack the Ripper? When I’ve read the letters of Richard and why he choose JTR, no where does is state that richard liked him cuz he killed women it states that he liked him cuz he was mysterious and nocturnal or something, and JTR killed was prostitutes and he had an MO for that, so if Richard had mentioned that he like JTR cuz he killed prostitutes wouldn’t he have done the same thing during his so call night stalker crimes? I don’t know if I’m making sense or not but I thought I might mention this and see what you guys think!

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    1. I’ve read books about Jack the Ripper, it doesn’t make me a killer.
      If Richard was cosplaying The Ripper, wouldn’t he target prostitutes? That sounds more like the Southside Slasher, doesn’t it? He targeted prostitutes during the Night Stalker killing spree but there was no media hype because of who the victims were.
      There were protests over it.

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      1. I agree and that’s also what I said too he would have copied exactly what Jack the Ripper has done his MO and everything! I like learning about Jack the Ripper and stuff and like you said it also doesn’t make me a killer people can like and dislike what they want who are to judge or say who they are based on that! If I’m correct there was a crime in the night stalker crimes where someone wrote “ripper” or was that totally different?

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      2. Yes, you did.
        At the Pan crime scene someone wrote “Jack the Knife” and it usually gets quoted as a copy of scrawled graffiti left on a wall ‘allegedly’ (because no one knows) by the Ripper. He never wrote that.
        “Jack the Knife” comes from the Judas Priest song The Ripper.

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      3. And that song is about the ripper, what would make sense is find the criminal that has a history of writing those words! Why would Richard who has a history of drawing pentagrams randomly with no history of writing those words write it?!

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      4. Another Night Stalker myth is the pentagrams at every crime scene. That’s not true, there were pentagrams at the Bell and Lang incident and at the Pan murder in San Francisco.
        The media hyped the Satanic angle, the prosecutor did not.

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      5. Ohhhh ok cuz I thought the prosecutors were talking with the media into hyping it up as we know how Gil talks and says. When the media is on your side they will show nothing but your good side and make you look good but when their you’re enemy they do as they did to Richard! You know one of these days I hope the truth comes out and exposes everything you guys did that already but it’s like if the media doesn’t show it then we won’t look at it or listen to it! And you guys did such a remarkable job if I had to choose between the media or another book exposing the lies about Richard i’d definitely 100% choose your blog and book and you guys!

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      6. In court, the prosecution did not hype up the pentagrams.

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      7. Aight gotcha! But I remember in one video the maybe I believe he was said they don’t even need a trial cuz they are positive they had the right guy! I still don’t understand that cuz even if you arrested someone and you knew 100% they did that crime, you still have to have a trial no?

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      8. That was Mayor Tom Bradley, we’ve mentioned it in quite a few posts.

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      9. I gotta read up on that again!

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  27. oh forgot to say thnx so Jay for the information and clarification!

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  28. I really hope and pray that your blog and book get more attention and recognition! It just angers me and will always anger me how people think about this case and what they said to you guys and we’ll all of us aha, I’m actually going maybe to San Francisco this summer maybe definitely not going to SQ tho

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    1. There’s been 40 years of bollocks, many won’t believe and don’t want to acknowledge that the case is full of holes.

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      1. I just feel so sad for you guys you’ve worked too hard and did so much for this case the dedication you guys gave is truly amazing, your blog and your books nothing I’ve ever read before of true crime and knowing me I never finish a book! But this book I finished it in a month!

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      2. The hard work was worth it, don’t be sad.

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      3. I agree it was totally worth it and you 3 deserve for your work to be read cuz you can’t find Great work like this at all! And for once your guys don’t actually go on YouTube putting making whole talking about crime omg hahaa

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      4. Thanks for supporting us.

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      5. Of course! And there’s not need to thank me I’m in it for truth and justice and Richard’s case had neither of those things! And you 3 stepped up and did all this! I can’t even do 1/4 of what you guys did!

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  29. I ve just read comments about the Pan case . I think Sahra is right about finding it weird that the attacker now left Jack the Ripper writing on the wall instead of a pentagram ,

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    1. He left both. A pentagram and “Jack the Knife” were on the wall.

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      1. Aha . But they surely did nt examine the writing ? Nowadays I think they ll do that. …

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      2. We don’t know. Richard was indicted by Grand Jury, so there’s no way of knowing what they had on him. Later, the trial was stayed, therefore the evidence was never produced in open court.

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      3. And what do you think about that ?

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  30. this doesn’t make sense he leaves a pentagram and “jack the ripper” on I think 2 crime scenes but the others crimes nothing! What criminal MO does Gil think this is lol

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    1. A pentagram was at the Bell and Lang crime scene, no writing.
      Both the pentagram and the “Jack the Knife” writing were found at the Pan house.

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      1. Ohhhhh ok I got it now I must have misunderstood what you said thnx Jay!
        also if it was only 2 times in all of the 13 crimes he was accused of why only 2 crimes had stuff like this and not the others, then other night stalker crimes they killed and stole nothing or did both! Nothing makes sense!

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      2. Because the narrative was ‘no MO’, meaning patterns/no patterns did not matter. The Night Stalker was whatever they needed him to be, depending on the crime.

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      3. Wooow so cruel anything to make Richard look bad and they basically created away to make their jobs easier!

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  31. And , I d like to ask wether you have got some more reactions to your book and blog . The more I read or think about Richard and his life story the more I m happy for what you did . I see it as a comfort and a proof that he is nt forgotten at all .

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    1. The book is still selling and now a couple of people post about what we do on YouTube.

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      1. omg omg yay!!!! I’m so happy to hear that! Congrats once again!!!!!!

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      2. It’s not going to set the world on fire yet. Lol
        We’re not affiliated with the YouTube accounts but we know about them and gave permission for our work to be shared.

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      3. Still that’s awesome! Anything works and this is a great start for you 3! It will take time to set the world on fire with your works but great things take time so don’t lose hope! It will happen I pray it does!

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        Brilliant! I’ll try finding the reviews.

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      5. You can find the reviews on Amazon.

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        What channels can I find the youtube videos?

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      7. There’s this one: https://youtube.com/@sataysandmash?si=I-LT5OLtydvv3RIx
        And also: https://youtube.com/@richardramrez91?si=HNkgV2nj3hFexmPv (They share book excerpts, with our permission.
        And this Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/questioningthenightstalker?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=18htt5

        Hope these links work; I am on the app at the moment and it’s not great.

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  32. Thanks for answering all questions and repetitions with so much patience. I think I know quite a lot about the case but there s so much to analyse and remember. Next I m going to read about that Grand Jury facts again Seems to be very weird !!

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    1. It’s fine, don’t worry about asking questions.
      If you re read “Murder in Lake Merced”, Kaycee has broken down the little information we have about the grand jury indictment.

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  33. I was watching the video channel you posted here and again those damn avias you can’t freaking escape them!

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  34. correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Richard during one court appearance have a look of disgust cuz he was accused of SA a victim forgot her name but she was like I think 60?

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    1. That came from Gil in reference to Sophie Dickman.

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      1. Oh right then Richard turns around and said “that wasn’t me” or something like that!

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      2. According to Gil.

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      3. Ah I see! So basically not 100% reliable lol

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  35. sandra hotchkiss (hope I got the name right) mentioned that Richard had a pocket knife in his pocket as the only weapon he possesses, so if that’s true then how come no survivors claimed that Richard “threatened” them with that knife cuz the suspect did threaten some victims. And wouldn’t his pocket knife have been all bloody?

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    1. No weapon of any kind, linked to the Night Stalker crimes, was found in his possession.
      The carrying of small pocket/pen knives wouldn’t be unusual. Many have attachments, picks, etc, that probably come in handy if you’re a burglar, which he was.

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      1. Ohh ok I see. I remember there was a gun he gave his friend that the cops had that they claimed was one weapon in his case but I think they lost it. Which makes no sense at all

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      2. Yeah Jesse Perez. But there was no proof he gave it to him, nor was there proof it was the murder weapon!

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      3. Oh right!!! Then they used the wrong gun in the series lol woowww

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      4. The Jennings pistol wasn’t recovered from Richard. No weapon was.
        As Venning said, it was recovered via Perez, who first told the cops Richard gave him the gun 6 to 9 months before the murder it was allegedly used in.

        It was lost during the trial, you’re correct.

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      5. Oh woow sure it was “lost” lol and even if it was lost very irresponsibly so too!

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