False Confessions: a Short Follow-up

This is a short sequel to “False Confessions?” from a year ago. In the previous post, Carrillo and Salerno’s misconduct was discussed, in which they violated Ramirez’s rights by interrogating him after he requested a lawyer, and they had read him his Miranda warning. Judge Nelson threw Richard Ramirez’s speculative discussion of the Night Stalker (in the third person) out of court, declaring them inadmissible.

It also covered post-trial confessions for which there is currently no evidence. The third issue it discussed (which is the subject of this post) was other quotes made by police officers guarding Ramirez after his arrest when they were waiting for Carrillo and Salerno to arrive for the proper interrogation. The court files provided a timeline, pictured below.

In Los Angeles court documents discovered in October 2024, it was revealed that none of these supposed confessions were recorded either. In fact, the officers in question, the LAPD’s Officer James Kaiser and Officer Jim Ellis never even wrote them down. Sergeant George Thomas (also LAPD) claimed that Ramirez stopped confessing when he noticed he was writing. Philip Carlo wrote that he had “copious notes” but where are they? The 2008 petition says that Thomas was unprepared with only a piece of paper. He testified that he had no idea whether or not a tape recorder was in the interview room, nor did he obtain one. None of these officers read Ramirez his rights after arresting him and taking him to Hollenbeck. Worse, they also conflicted one another’s recollections of Ramirez’s “confessions”, although details of the contradictions were not contained within the files. Ramirez too seems to have denied making the confessions, according to the court filings.

One might say, “Well, of course he would deny it!” but at this point, there is still no hard evidence that Ramirez confessed on the day he was arrested. The police, who are supposed to collect evidence, failed yet again.

In these motions, the defence team argued that there was ample opportunity to tape Ramirez – someone whose alleged murder spree was extremely high-profile and whose capture was greatly anticipated. It seems inconceivable that officers did not fetch a tape recorder ready for when Ramirez was brought to the police station. Had they been instructed not to because the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department wanted to be the ones to do it? Again, we can only speculate.

Is it simple incompetence? Or were they lying about Ramirez’s utterances? Without proof, statements of biased police were useless.

The defence also asserted that even though Ramirez had supposedly confessed to Jim Ellis and George Thomas earlier that day, Carrillo and Salerno made no mention of this in their interrogation of Ramirez.

You would expect them to ask why he was now denying murders when he had already confessed to other police that same day.

The issue of Carrillo and Salerno questioning Ramirez after a head injury and a Miranda warning was already covered in the other post but there is a little more to add here. After the caution is given and the suspect invokes their rights, questioning must cease. It did not, hence the misconduct. They not only continued, but they lied to Ramirez. An example of a Miranda warning would be:

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?”

Carrillo attempted to mislead Ramirez into believing that his statements post-Miranda could not be used in evidence. We criticise Carrillo a lot, but this is not illegal, nor is it misconduct. Police are allowed and even trained to trick suspects in order to trip them up or make them crack and tell the truth. They are allowed to lie to them. These techniques are effective. Ramirez seems not to have fallen for such tricks. It is tempting to infer that he was not guilty.

Maybe this is why Carrillo thinks Ramirez was “smart” because he could never deceive him or trip him up. But if Ramirez was truly smart, then why would he then begin a third person confession to Carrillo? A clever man would keep quiet. Alternatively, did Ramirez believe Carrillo’s lie that nothing he said post-Miranda could be used against him so began to speculate about the Night Stalker’s actions with the two detectives? The tapes are yet to be released. All we know is that Judge Nelson disagreed that they were confessions and that even if they were, they were not admissible.

As mentioned in our book, Carrillo claims Ramirez “knew the law”, so his choice to confess in the third person was deliberate: he knew it would invalidate it. We know from his psychiatric evaluations that Ramirez found legal proceedings confusing and only displayed a “cloak of competence” so this might be a matter of debate. The coercive interrogation techniques outlined in the other post might suggest Carrillo and Salerno knew there was something ‘not quite right’ about Ramirez so it is also debatable whether the ‘smart killer’ claim is all part of the Night Stalker character.

Regarding Ramirez’s conduct in TV interviews, it is clear that did not speak like the average dumb thug off the street. However, it is possible to be articulate yet still cognitively impaired. While this is open to interpretation (and of course choppy editing and unprofessional interviewers) he comes across like he is struggling to truly answer some questions or he cannot answer them directly. He always spoke about serial killers in general, never about himself. He would say “the crimes they say I committed” rather than “my crimes”. This might suggest he was exactly the same during the interrogation. Please feel free to write your opinions in the comments section.

Halpin: Not A Man of His Word…

Although Nelson threw out the Carrillo/Salerno taped “confessions”, the prosecutor, Philip Halpin, later presented testimonies from the LAPD officers regarding further alleged admissions – despite a previous judge, and Halpin himself (“The People”) reassuring the defence that they would not be raised at trial.

Halpin’s submission of confession ‘evidence’ for which there is no recorded proof is a violation of due process under Stephan vs State (Alaska) 1985. There must be an opportunity for jurors to assess the nature of the interrogation and the suspect’s responses on tape. Ramirez’s lawyers never made any effort to challenge the alleged confessions, nor did they complain that Halpin had defied Judge Nelson’s previous assurance that none of this would be used in the trial. If you have read our book or other posts, you will know this is a pattern with Philip Halpin.

And this post will end with another shameless plug of the book. Know anyone who likes killers, court cases and miscarriage of justice stories? Get it for them on Amazon!

-VenningB-

86 responses to “False Confessions: a Short Follow-up”

  1. It always amazes me that no one has ever produced a confession that he purportedly made. The most notorious killer ever, his dramatic capture on the streets all under the media spotlight. Yet no one seemed to think about making proper notes or taping anything. Incompetent cops AND lawyers.

    Judge Nelson said there was no evidence anywhere that he ever confessed anything.

    If such a confession should “miraculously” appear now, I would call bullshit, and attribute it to AI meddling.

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    1. I completely agree! I’d definitely be aware of those AI never trusted that shit. How come in every other cases you see a full recorded and taped confession but not Richard’s? The claimed he confessed ok so where’s the proof the evidence of this so called confessions, people saying that of course he’d deny the crimes is another lazy BS argument. In the Mike watkiss interview he asked richard “so you didn’t kill 13 people?” Richard replied with “that is correct” what is your take on this statement?

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    2. The AI thing is coming in our future. Surprised no one hasn’t made it already!

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      1. It will come, of that I am in no doubt.

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    3. Yes, exactly! It was the biggest case for most (if not all) of them and they still were that sloppy? From not reading him his rights over not recording conversations to even losing a gun.

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      1. they just expect us to automatically believe he confessed! They think we r stupid or something. Dumb cops hehe

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      2. People do automatically believe it! There are so many people who write about how much he bragged to the police about his crimes. No evidence but it has stuck since August 1985. It completely prejudiced his case because it was all repeated in the media. And he may well have said crazy things after his arrest but the proof? Where is it?!

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      3. Exactly! And plus he had brain trauma and after getting hit in the head! Ofc he’ll say crazy stuff I totally agree. If they had this proof this true confession and legit as well then no way would they have skipped using that in court! All this he said this and he said that lol ok where’s the proof! And what makes it a bit more believable is that he was claimed to be buddy buddy with Gil. If only grey mentioned his brain damage it would then make sense to others why he said crazy things!

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  2. no record of confessions ever recorded and yet they claimed he confessed without any evidence is crazy. If he confessed to one cop by would he hesitate to confess to another. It gets more ridiculous the more they open their mouth lol

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  3. my younger cousin told something crazy about this AI AND BOTS stuff like it’s some real crazy shit. She told me people are saying idk which people but they are saying they are making bots that look like us to commit crimes so it will be as if we did it! Idk if it’s true or not but it’s terrifying to even think this is said! With new technology anything is possible

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  4. Let’s not get too paranoid. Meaning the AI/bot thing. But I am happy to see the truth being uncovered about Richard Ramirez. It is a case of tremendous interest to many. He might have confessed, this will remain unclear I think. This blog is very insightful and I will continue to follow it.

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    1. Hi, thanks for your comment, I am glad you find the blog useful.

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  5. is there anything else we can do to help promote your blog and book? I did put your blog website as I mentioned before on my Instagram bio and it works but I want to do more to help you guys!

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    1. Thanks Sarah, putting us in your bio is very sweet of you.

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      1. Ofc anything to help you guys but as I told venning before if there’s anything else I can do.

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  6. idk if you guys hate this guy or not but I’d pay good money to watch Gil get a beat down with Piers Morgan 😂

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  7. On peacock TV there is a new documentary on RR with Eva O. It is to typical he is once again the beautiful “devil”. It is a good casting.

    I would be happy if his case would be investigated by serious law students.

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    1. Yes, it’s more of the same regurgitated stuff, no one ever looks at it from a deeper level. It’s frustrating.

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    2. Yep, the same old weird comments like “he devoured you with his eyes.” Haha. I’d love it if that happened, regarding the students.

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  8. https://amp.modbee.com/news/local/crime/scott-peterson-case/scott-peterson-five-years-later/article3098833.html

    There are some unfounded rumors about a conflict between Richard and Scott Peterson. this never happened, confirmed by San Quentin officers.

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    1. Interesting, thanks for this. It’s amazing how the rumours start. I saw a documentary about Peterson recently.

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    2. What did they claim went on with him and Ramirez? I’ve never heard of this! Thanks for the article.

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  9. A death row inmate began claiming that Richard “stabbed” Scott Peterson. On YouTube there are some people saying that they got into a fight and hated each other. Well, I wouldn’t believe everything a inmate says, this reminds me of Martin Kipp..

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    1. Omg. That’s b.s. Scott Petersen wasn’t even housed in the same wing as Richard. Scott was in the so-called” luxury” Death Row wing. So it’s highly unlikely they interacted. Death Row inmates don’t really get to interact with other prisoners. They have their own cells for a reason, and even when they have exercise time, they are in cages.

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    2. Kipp is another who enjoys the connection to Richard.

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      1. I’m always suspicious of these stories. There are always going to be new Ramirez stories adding the the creepy myth. Whenever you see a death row or ex-San Quentin inmate on YouTube, there’s always a story about seeing Richard or Richard confessing through the cell wall like Martin Kipp. Or being “Effeminate” as one said.

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      2. Who said “effeminate”? 😂🤣
        I kind of get it with the death row inmates, I mean it’s unlikely they get much attention, so any connection to Richard (real or imagined) gets them airtime.
        How many interviews has Kipp done now?

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      3. Some other death row inmate. I can’t remember who.

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  10. And another inmate , I think Noriega is his name , claimed that Richard appears as an almost feminine man….And that therefore they all call him : ” The Witch “. I must admit , I like this little story… A Witch called Richard ! Hahah

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    1. I hadn’t heard that particular story. That’s so funny.

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    2. I was trying to think of where I’d heard someone say this the other day. I guess he was quite androgynous from some angles …

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    3. Haha! Too funny!

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  11. Yes ..soo funny . Must have been when his hair was quite long. …Richard the witch .Charismatic witch Richard….Hahah

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  12. I really hope that the NBC production will rise so much new interest ! Do you think it can be seen here very soon ?

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    1. I am not sure. Peacock isn’t available in the UK, I don’t know about the rest of Europe. Kaycee is our eyes on this one for the time being.

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      1. I keep going on peacock to see if it’s available yet. Unfortunately it isn’t.

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      2. You’re taking one for the team today!

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  13. I have a question about the DNA proove in S.F. Actually , in case they didn t have had this proof it could have happened that the petition was sucessful and Richard had to be set free ? And is there anything in Plain Site about his reaction or of his attorney s ?

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    1. The DNA in SF is a separate issue completely from the petition, as the petition deals only with the LA convictions. We will never know what the outcome might have been, the lawyers were going for an evidentiary hearing, which didn’t happen because Richard died; his petitions (2008 and 2009) were still in the system waiting to be read.

      His reaction and that of his attorneys isn’t mentioned in the petition because the murder of Mei Leung wasn’t part of the LA trial that led to his death sentences. Neither Richard or his lawyer, Michael Burt, made a public comment. One can assume that IF he had been charged with the Leung murder, they would have fought it in court, especially as the DNA evidence wasn’t safe, due to it being a mixed sample, and it was probably compromised due to storage conditions and contamination. The then DA, Kamala Harris, decided not to charge him, it was far easier to say he did it and move on.

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    2. No I’ve not seen anything in plain site about it. I emailed all the federal public defenders that worked on the petition awhile ago. Only one replied and when I asked him if he would be willing to discuss the petition with me he said he didn’t feel there was anything left to say. He wasn’t rude.

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      1. He just didn’t feel there was anything to add but there’s so many things I would have liked to ask.

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  14. Oh , yes , the petition deals only with the L.A. crimes , I had forgotten this . But the proof of DNA made sure that they had him , one way or the other..But yes , Michael Burt would have fought the DNA Mix.

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  15. And ..Can we say that Michael Burt was a good attorney for him ? I guess so. Was Richards behaviour obstructive here too ? I think so . It must all have gotten worse for all of them..

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    1. Burt was a very good attorney, and yes, Richard was just as destructive and difficult.

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    2. Michael Burt was considered one of the best public defenders. Richard was very fortunate to have him work on his case. But yes Richard was obstructive with all the lawyers in SF.

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  16. There s something going on because of the Peacock production..on You Tube…Excitement ..Hystery has begun..! They are trying to get the Peacock stuff ..

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    1. Venning watched it earlier, as did Kaycee. I will watch it tomorrow. Venning got it through Google Drive. It’s as bad as we knew it would be.
      Groupies and child molestation, and a lot of untruths.

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    2. I’m going to email you a link to it? Is that okay? I will use the one you subscribed to this blog with.

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      1. Could you guys send me the link too?

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      2. Yes, of course. Shall we send it to the email address you registered here with?

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      3. I’ve sent a link to the email you’re subscribed with.

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  17. So funny … Funny ? Don t know…

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  18. Thanks for sending , can t open it right now. Due to many people try to get it….
    There will be idiotic comments , I fear….They made some mistakes already as they don t understand English…..I find this hard to bear …Awful .

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    1. Yeah, I wish this documentary had never been made. I wish someone would have the balls to make one from our angle but it’s unlikely because people think it’s “disrespecting the victims.” Pfft.

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  19. Really so awful .

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  20. long time lurker of you guys blog and also bought your book but didn’t realise until I went down to the comments that I wasn’t subscribed lol. Thank you guys for what you do. If it’s possible could you guys send the new documentary to my email also? Also in the UK here. Although I already know it’ll make me angry curiosity is getting the better 🤦🏻‍♀️ The only good thing I could hope would come out of it is more people taking the time to read this blog, hopefully ones that are not close minded and don’t believe everything they hear from documentaries, TV shows, etc.

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    1. Hello there! I will send the link!
      The documentary is a trashy mess as expected. I really hope people come here and read the posts about child abductions because episode two was mostly focused on that side of things.

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      1. I didn’t realize until you said “episode two” that this Peacock thing was going to be a series. There was already the Netflix series; how many more of these trashy series do they need to do about this???

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      2. It’s ridiculous.
        It’s as bad as the Netflix one, still full of crap information.

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      3. As far as I know it’s just the 2 episodes.

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  21. I didnt see it yet but will see it later. I didnt know that all this could make me feel so bad and really annoyed.

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    1. It’s awful! I have mixed feelings and my mind is racing!

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      1. I’m fucking fuming.

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      2. I was outraged and cursing during the second episode.

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    Hey! can i please get the link to it as well?

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    1. Hi, I will email it to you using the email address you signed up with.

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  23. Hi guys ! Nice to meet you again in 2025..! I made a break with Richard s case and slowly I m back now..Back with some distance so to speak …And , don t know excactely why , when I started thinking about everything , the Abowath case flashed in my imagination with such Intensity. ..can t believe that it could nt have been Richard due to lack of evidence but he was accused and convicted for it . I find this still very remarkable….Also remarkable it is to me and many others that his capture seemed as if it was a true Hollywood Movie …Do you think they practiced before ? (LOL I m only joking ) No ..its a very tragic case after all , I ve just read the part about the confessions again ..very tragic too. I can not understand the dilletantism we see hear ..It can give you headache. I must read about the confessions / non confessions again in the book. Also about Elise Taylor s evaluation in Plain Site …Hope you could sell more books !

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    1. Hi Isabella, nice to see you here again. We would absolutely understand how you feel, all three of us have experienced a mental burn out before, especially during the research stage.
      Some of the things we found were distressing, and at times, overwhelming. I think it is normal to feel that way.

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    2. It’s good to have a break. The mass of information combined with how stressful it is knowing he might have been innocent does wreck your brain. The book is steadily selling. Not every day but a decent amount have sold so far.

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      1. Thanks for the informations , just so interesting again . I sometimes asked myself why the case was stayed , why it was in a waiting queqe for so long….

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      2. Do you mean why was the SF case stayed and why were his appeals in a queue waiting to be read?
        Just so we can try and answer you correctly.

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      3. Yes , I didnt really understand why it took so long . Or why there was a waiting quee . How could he have such a brillant attorney now ? After that awful mess with the Hernandez brothers etc ? Richard must have been surprised by that .

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      4. Richard Ramirez’s Appeals


        Here’s some information about the appeals process that you might find useful.

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  24. Question : Is attorney Michael Burt the same attorney as in the Mendenez case …I think so !? Do you think he could have be successful at the Habeas Corpus appeal ? It they had had the time ?

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    1. Yes, I believe so. He was a public defender for 24 or so years before going private.
      Burt successfully challenged a flawed DNA case (like the Leung murder) and so he’d have definitely been up for the fight on that one, because it could’ve been challenged. His expertise might have had something to do with why Richard was never charged. Far better to just blame him, rather than get their “suspicious” evidence challenged in open court. DA Kamala Harris (as she was then) wouldn’t have wanted to risk her career over it.

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    2. Yes. He was Lyle’s attorney during the second trial. He definitely was an excellent defense attorney. Considering he is the reason that Richard’s SF charges were permanently stayed, I’d say he likely had a good chance at a habeas appeal.

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      1. You’re more optimistic than I am. I think Burt is one of the best out there, but however good he is, the courts would never admit they got the case so badly wrong. Even though the errors and wrong doings are there in black and white.

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    3. As for the appeals, Burt was pushing for the evidentiary hearing where the findings ommited at trial could finally be heard.
      Richard died before that happened. The timing of the appeal at last being in the queue to be heard by the Ninth Circuit, points towards the Mei Leung case being used as “insurance”; just in case.
      Richard’s LA trial was always understood to be messed up, handled badly and rather shaky, hence the panic when the SF trial was pending.
      We will never know how the appeals would have gone, but my personal opinion is that they’d have never let him go or go for a retrial, nor even commute his sentence.

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      1. Can you imagine the outrage that would have caused? Just imagine how all those involved would have reacted if their misdeeds had been exposed publicly and Richard had been given a new trial. I think that the likeliest outcome would have been a new trial or sending him to a mental health facility. I’m more inclined to believe that they would have sent him to a mental health facility until he could have been restored to mental competency. Which we know in Richard’s case probably wouldn’t have happened
        . I sometimes wonder if they had overturned his convictions how they would have handled that to keep it from being an outrage. Sometimes, I entertain the thought that maybe they would have given him a new identity and made him leave the country. Lol.

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      2. There was a weirdo on the old Twitter that swore the federal government had smuggled him out of SQ and set him on her as an assassin. 🤣 She claimed his death was faked by “them”. This was long after 2013, so Richard, would’ve been a 60-odd year old “assassin” at the time.
        I found it so nutty I grabbed a screen shot. I may still have it.

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      3. I remember reading that on You Tube. 😆

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  25. And , I also noticed that when you are really into this case it can happen that you end up in a ..slight burn out ..OMG. I have never ever made an experience like this ! And ..for sure I will never forget this ! Its one year of research now ! Reading Thinking Reading Thinking ..LOL What I find a bit weird is that when I tell ftiends of mine about my new Richard Project …they dont show much reaction …Thats oh so strange ..Plus ..they don t ask questions ..hahaha..Dont know why..but its like they don t take me serious . WOW .

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    1. We’ve all experienced burn out and been mentally drained. Curiously many of our friends have also turned a blind eye to what we’ve been doing. Probably because they’re blind and in denial that the justice system is fucked up, and possibly they’re just not interested.

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      1. It annoys me when friends aren’t interested, but they’ll happily watch serial killer documentaries. I’ve had so many of my messages about this project left on read and it does upset me.

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      2. For them it’s just not important, but you’d still think the support would be there.

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      3. Especially as they clearly have an interest in that area. I roll my eyes when a friend posts about killer documentaries/Netflix dramas, then turn away.

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