Expendable For A Cause.

The Railroading Of Richard Ramírez

The Appeal of the Night Stalker: The Railroading of Richard Ramirez

The book is out! You can buy the ebook in the following links:

UK
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Australia
USA
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It should be on all of Amazon worldwide.

And the paperback is here (although they might still be unavailable in some countries – check back in a few days. They can take a while to show up!)

UK
France
Germany
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Spain
USA
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We are so excited! But of course, the day couldn’t pass without problems. Yesterday was supposed to be launch night. The ebook went on very quickly without a hitch. Then the paperback was rejected despite identical contents… why? Amazon claimed that the book was already out there in the public domain and in an unspecified foreign language. They demanded I send proof of my right to translate the book to English, and provide details of the original writer, including their death details. WHAT?! I wasn’t told about this problem for six hours after the rejection either, so I had no idea what went wrong.

Anyway, I responded with a load of “IT’S MINE! I HAVE PROOF!!” evidence, and had to wait another six hours for resolution. We didn’t want to announce it until they were both for sale and it totally ruined launch night. I’m terrified it will happen again so hurry and buy the book!

Venning, Kaycee and Jay

VenningB

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2,026 responses to “The Appeal of the Night Stalker: The Railroading of Richard Ramirez”

  1. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I just love this blog so freaking much! You are all such amazing beautiful people I love how no matter what our opinions are it’s always respected, sometimes we agree with each other and sometimes not yet you all are still respectful and respectful all of our opinions! I love that I can’t thank you all enough but I’d especially love to thank Kaycee venning & Jay! You really made all of use feel so welcomed!

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      We always intended for this space to be the one place where those with legitimate questions relating to the handling of this case could come and speak, knowing that anywhere else you get banned and shut down.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        That’s the sad thing indeed! But it really means a lot from each and every one of you!

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  2. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    I sometimes wonder if they pushed for Richard to be convicted of all these crimes to not only calm the hysteria and clear their books of cases. But also because they knew that it would benefit them career and or money wise. Almost every single person that was involved in the law enforcement side of the case had to have gotten some sort of benefit. It’s reaching I know. But everyone involved is shady including Judge Tynan and Haplin.

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    1. VenningB Avatar
      VenningB

      Yeah there was definitely some conspiracy going on. When Carrillo referred to us once, he said “they’re saying we were in cahoots with the judge”. We’d never actually said that at the time. We still haven’t on the blog. So it made me think it was a Freudian slip of some sort.

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      1. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        More Carillo doofism. Does he comment on the blog or make comments about you guys on podcasts or something?

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      2. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        On one podcast, he referred to us as “a thread”. We know it’s about us because we were the only people questioning the case at that time. Then we ended up communicating with someone who admitted telling him about the blog. He said two people have mentioned it. Then he deflected by saying “people send me death threats”. Almost as if he’s attempting to tie us to trolls. We have never commented on his pages nor have we tried to contact him, for the record!

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      3. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I don’t see the correlation of discussing public legal documents and threatening to harm someone!

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      4. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I think it’s just a way to dismiss anyone questioning the case as just keyboard warrior trolls.

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      5. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Strangely, many people get very upset by court documents,

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      6. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        He also said we were a “fifteen year old boy in his mother’s basement”. As Venning has said, we have never once communicated with him, sent his death threats or made any comments to him.

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      7. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        I’ve never commented on any Carillo page. I looked at his instagram one time when he promoted that silly movie of him acting a gangster. I had a good laugh and moved on closing my browser. Carillo if you read this, you’re not that intriguing.

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      8. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Same! Someone told me about it and I had to go and look!

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      9. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Ha ha!! How unprofessional and embarrassing to take on a part like that. I wonder of they asked Salerno as well?

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  3. interesting-case Avatar
    interesting-case

    Im still here in the background. Life got in the way this week and Im slowly catching up. I can only finish 3 pages a day and then Im interrupted again. Thanks for keeping discussion going.

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      hehe welcome welcome also there’s no rush at all to finish the book that book is yours and finish it when ever you can! Ik some of us are done or almost done but plz don’t let that stop you from discussing with us! No rush at all to finish the book it’s a very important and meaningful beautiful but very tragic sad book that needed to be taken time to understand and rushing to won’t due! So dw!!

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    2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      There’s always plenty to discuss and life does have a habit of getting in the way.

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  4. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    If law enforcement had done proper investigative work perhaps less people would’ve suffered. LA county seemed to have a lot of crime and policing issues. The level of crimes committed per year were astronomical in my opinion and from what I know they kept rising each year. I know there is only so much law enforcement can do. But they clearly didn’t have any form of control over any part of the county. Far from praising people like Carillo. People should look into why there was so much crime going on in the county and what law enforcement was doing to address the situation.

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    1. VenningB Avatar
      VenningB

      The amount of serial killers in California is really disturbing and that’s not even including the other murders, gang activity etc. they really lost control

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      1. interesting-case Avatar
        interesting-case

        I recently delved into Rodney Alcala. His arrest was made 1979 (or at least one of them because he kept getting released). Do any of you think RR got blamed for any of Alcala’s crimes? Im not too informed about his timeline, but Alcala seemed to have a very clear MO and even documented them through trophies and photographs. RR doesn’t fit the description of a serial killer by “not having any MO whatsoever at all”.

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  5. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    I looked at Carrillo’s instagram page out of curiosity and his profile pic is Richard in cuffs being escorted out of Hollenbeck Station. What the actual fuck!?

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    1. sarah1997 Avatar
      sarah1997

      right?! I saw that as well I was so pissed that’s just messed up idk how and why he’s bragging about this I see nothing to brag about why would you be happy about what you did to Richard?!

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      1. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        It’s starting to feel more like an obsession than anything else. I don’t recall seeing the people involved in the Bundy or Dahmer cases going to such lengths to remain in the spotlight, even though they certainly could have capitalized on their involvement, given the strange fascination the U.S. seems to have with serial killers. It’s as if there’s a need to glorify these individuals for simply doing what they were hired to do—investigate crimes, gather evidence, and bring criminals to justice. That’s their job, and I don’t see why we should heap praise on them for fulfilling their basic responsibilities.

        What’s even more frustrating is the thought that, had they done their jobs properly from the start, fewer lives may have been lost. Instead of waiting for these cases to spiral into sensational media circuses, perhaps more lives could have been saved with quicker, more effective action. It’s difficult for me to respect or admire a system that seems more concerned with the drama and spectacle of these cases than with actual justice and prevention. Rather than putting these people on pedestals, maybe we should focus on the fact that the failures in the investigation likely contributed to more suffering than was necessary. The glorification feels misplaced when, in reality, better work early on could have made a difference.

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      2. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Richard himself said he’s “I’m not a sex symbol” and that says something to me. I hate how they treated Richard and this case. The real killer(s) I believe are still out there unless some died. What all of a sudden in a damn groupie just cuz I truly care about Richard?! Cuz I’m defending Richard? This groupie shit has to stop! That’s such a lazy argument it’s it funny!

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      3. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        He IS obsessed, I think, as obsessed as any groupie, although his reasons may be different; it’s as if he can’t let go. I imagine he thinks about Richard Ramirez every day and he is partly responsible for turning these horrible incidents into entertainment. You can guess exactly what he will say on each interview he does, and seems particularly stuck on his “fear fetish” theory, which falls apart at the third crime, never to resurface again. In the later attacks, he’s hiding their faces. A man who covers up victims faces as he assaults them is not looking for fear in their eyes to gain sexual gratification.

        You’re quite right, it appears that it is only one detective, from one high profile case, who has made the case that gained him fame his pension fund. I have not seen this in any other case, and it is starting to look slightly weird.

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    2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      Yep. Unbelievable.

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  6. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I just blocked him off my media pages 😂

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  7. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    but I’m very curious what he’s gonna try to do once you guys do your podcast interview I hope he doesn’t interfere. He just always wants to seem right about everything when we know he’s wrong and he won’t admit!

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  8. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    is anyone else also laughing at the fact Gily boy is playing a gangster in the upcoming movie or is it only me?😅😂

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    1. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
      csmutny06cae8b36d

      Gily boy, still funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Hahaha 😂

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  9. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    does anyone know what solano looks like? I kept trying to find what he looks like out of curiosity but couldn’t.

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    1. VenningB Avatar
      VenningB

      I did find a photo once yeah but I haven’t shared it cos I obtained it by lurking on his relatives’ social media which makes me feel creepy as fuck!

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Hahaha you’re not creepy at all you were just curious dw! But oh wow does he look scary tho?

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      2. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I’m a really nosey person 🤣
        Sort of just a shady looking older Hispanic man. Kind of skinny. Long thin face.

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Haha but a very respectful kind nosey person 🤣
        Do you think he could have done something?

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      4. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Solano? He’s dead.

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      5. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Oh yes ik he’s dead but I meant like do you guys think he could have done any of those crimes?

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      6. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I think he still should have been interrogated as a suspect, but I don’t think he did them. He doesn’t fit the description from any survivors.

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      7. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Oh ok but yes he’s should have been interrogated for sure but I believe that he did know maybe some of killers but didn’t saying anything and those guys are the ones that sold him the victims property not Richard

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        ~ Jay ~

        I find it doubtful that he was directly involved in the murders, but he was a shady fuck without a doubt, and probably knew a lot more than he let on. Of course he should’ve been fully investigated, after all, he was the one who had the stolen goods in is possession, not Ramirez. They never convincingly investigated the chain of custody of those stolen items, nor the people he got them from; only Richard, and yet he was getting stolen goods from many more people.

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      9. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Exactly! Richard for him was such an easy target and the criminals he was protecting idk if there are any mentions of who they were or only are the ones whom did the crimes and others as well but blamed it on Richard cuz he was an easy target!

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      10. YesIAmEvil Avatar
        YesIAmEvil

        I just don’t understand why people still share their stuff publicly visible for anyone and everyone. And then, when we fall for it, we feel creepy. 😉

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      11. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        True. Makes me feel better and not such a stalker!

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  10. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    When will this Podcast be , do you know it already ? And where could I find it , I dont want to miss it ! And I have a question about this guy Steve Strong , I can t remember exactely what was his role ? And also I was reading about the Pan case in Plain Sight . There are some circumstancial evidences I think. Do you still think its possible that it was Richard ?

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    1. VenningB Avatar
      VenningB

      The man we were supposed to do the podcast with had his YouTube account banned, so there’s nothing happening with that at the moment.
      Steve Strong was a former LAPD detective who became a criminologist and helped with the appeals alleging that there was no connection between the crimes.

      Pan’s a difficult one. I don’t know, that one always leaves me thinking ‘maaayyybe’. But there’s not enough information yet.

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      1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yep, because he was indicted by grand jury and as it never went to trial, there’s no telling what they had on him.

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    2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      And yeah, there will always be a question mark over the Pan case because it never went to trial. Because of that it can’t be analysed. We’re not here to whitewash him, and without looking at the evidence we just don’t know. Equally, I would not just take Falzon’s word, either. He states that they couldn’t check for dna “back then” – yes they could, even though the tech was in it’s infancy, they were using it in 89 (by the time of his LA trial) and had already used it to get convictions in the UK by then.

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      1. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        and then in other documentaries he does claim they had DNA. Before writing in his book that they didn’t! These police are unable to keep their stories straight. Too much doughnuts and whiskey

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        And too many egos, all trying to claim the “glory”.

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      3. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        They contradict themselves so often that I can’t trust anything they say. They’ve spun too many stories to keep track of, and there’s only so much they can cover up or change. I refuse to believe anything from them until there’s solid, undeniable proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But I doubt we’ll ever see that—especially with the lack of trial footage or transcripts being released. Their biggest mistake is straying from their original scripts, constantly adding new details to keep people interested. This only makes an already complicated case even messier and makes it easier to catch them in their lies.

        Also, why did Falzon write a book if the trial was stayed indefinitely? Is it just about his time in law enforcement in general, or is it specifically about the “SF trial”? I’m genuinely confused.

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      4. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        It’s a general one but so far I’ve only read the Richard bits. I will read the rest eventually!

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      5. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Do you know what it is called?

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      6. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        It’s called 5-Henry-7 or some shit! It will be in the books bibliography at the back

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  11. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    I know I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this but after reading this book and blog etc…. I just don’t believe at all Richard committed any of those crimes and that the real killers are still out there.

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      You won’t get hate from us, that is the purpose of the blog and book, to lay it out there and for you to decide.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Thank you Jay it feel nice not being judged or harassed etc…. I’m just tired of all the hate we are getting. You guys are really great you 3 and the rest of of you! Means a lot!

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        You’ve done exactly as we asked, read everything we had to say, looked at the evidence and then come to your own conclusions. We can ask no more than that, so thank you.

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Sweet awesome! I will continue then! Again thank you once again!

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    sarah1997

    what i don’t Understand is why would falzon say they have evidence before writing in his book that they actually don’t have any evidence. Too too many messed up things about this case that screams sketchy to me. I have never seen any case handled to way Richard’s case was! I felt like those cops and solano and his peeps were up to something. Idk if you know but did you know bundy was cross examining a witness like omg

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  13. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    why did that guy you were gonna do a podcast with get banned, was it cuz he was he was questioning about Richard’s case?

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    1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
      ~ Jay ~

      No, he has only done a couple of videos about Richard.
      He questions everything, that’s why he was banned. He had one of the best channels on YouTube.

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      1. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        That’s so cruel of them to ban him! I wish I could have seen His Chanel! So I’m guessing you guys aren’t podcasting then?

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        I will email him when I get back from my holiday, to see what he’s up to.
        He still has his Patreon, I think and Discord.

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Oh nice enjoy your holiday Jay you definitely deserve this break! And oh sweet that’s good that he has that!

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      4. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        We’re away together, so we may go a bit quiet. 🤣

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      5. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Hahaha awesome! You guys need this break tbh after the hard work peace and quiet why not!

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      6. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Damn I wish I knew about his channel before. There are very few good true crime channels out there. Most of them are garbage that just reuse the same content from other channels without adding anything to it. It’s stupid that Youtube bans stuff like that, but allows literal porn on there sometimes. I don’t see anything wrong in talking about a case as long as you are being respectful to the victims and trying to present the material in a accurate and truthful way like you guys are doing.

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      7. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Patrick was (still is) carying on the work of the late Dave McGowan.

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I’ve recently read Dave McGowan’s Programmed to Kill, and I found it incredibly fascinating. It’s easily one of the most compelling books I’ve come across, and it’s definitely among my all-time favorites.

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      9. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, it’s a brilliant book and is partly responsible for this blog.

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      10. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        I still need to read it!

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  14. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Thanks for the Infos ! Reading about the different crimes in Plain Site is very demanding and tirring and ..depressing as well. Its also so unsatisfying that we will never know who really commited those horrible crimes ..This really gets on my nerves . When we assume that Richard had nothing to do with the crimes , the real murderer were left out there in L.A…?! And never got punished for what they did .

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    1. Vivi Avatar
      Vivi

      Los Angeles was teeming with serial killers during that time, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the crimes attributed to Richard were actually committed by some of them. The Golden State Killer, for instance, wasn’t caught until 2018, so it’s entirely possible that he could have been responsible for some of these unsolved cases. One that stands out to me is the Whitney Bennett case—it bears some eerie similarities to one of the crimes for which the Golden State Killer was eventually convicted. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the specific victim off the top of my head, but the parallels are worth exploring.

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      1. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Yes, Janelle Cruz!

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, as Venning said, Janelle Cruz in May 86. Of course had that poor girl been killed in May 85, that would have been pinned on Ramirez. It is eerily similar to Whitney Bennett’s attack, only Whitney survived.

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    2. Vivi Avatar
      Vivi

      If they had investigated the crimes separately instead of entangling them in a serial killer web (thanks to Carrillo), perhaps they would’ve had a better chance at catching the real culprits. Also they made no effort to investigate the backgrounds and social circles’ of the victims. I find that often times assaults and murders are committed by people that are close to the victims. Perhaps, not all of the NS crimes by committed by someone or people that the victims knew or were close with. But it would’ve been something worth looking into. Everyone should’ve been considered a suspect until evidence was found to rule them out completely. For the Maxine and Vincent Zazzara case I would’ve thought that perhaps it was someone that a personal connection to Maxine seeing as it looked like she was the intended target due to how brutal her murder and assault was. It seemed like someone who had a personal vendetta against her, but I could be reading into it too much. Nevertheless, the investigative work was crap in my opinion. I know it was the 80’s and their investigative techniques were rather crude and dated. But the fact that key pieces of evidence were lost, not preserved, or even properly examined is inexcusable. It just looks like pure laziness to me.

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      1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        They wanted quick results, a police department is rated on it’s “sucesses”..

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Their “success” must’ve been short-lived if the crime rate kept rising each year. I have no doubt that the pressure from the public to find ‘someone’ to hold accountable was overwhelming. However, that doesn’t excuse the fact that the priority should always have been doing their jobs thoroughly and accurately. Rushing to pin the blame on someone—anyone—undermines the entire process of justice. If the authorities had conducted a proper investigation and taken the time to explore all avenues, perhaps they would have uncovered the real culprits and actually improved their clearance rates.

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      3. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes to all of that.
        Throughout the summer of 85 the public were told that ONLY the Night Stalker did these atrocities, only he used phone cables, crept in through windows, attacked couples.. or anyone else.
        After Ramirez was arrested and banged up, these types of crimes continued, and so the police put out news reports saying ‘it’s not only the Night Stalker who does this stuff’, referring to phone cables, etc.
        Suddenly, it was no longer a Night Stalker “thing”, it was a general perpetrator thing. They changed how they reported on these incidents.

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      4. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I find the media’s complicity in all of this absolutely disgusting. The media is supposed to serve the public by keeping them informed, reporting on the truth, and doing so in as objective a manner as possible. But in this case, they failed miserably. Ordinary people, whether due to lack of time, resources, or perhaps even laziness, relied on the media to provide an accurate account of what was happening. And the media took advantage of that trust. They twisted facts and sensationalized events to spin whatever narrative suited them, and people believed it—because why would they think the media had any reason to lie?

        It’s clear now that they, too, became consumed by the pursuit of fame and profit. They all desperately needed ‘a serial killer’. Someone that they could pin everything on. Someone expendable. Thus, began a witch hunt. They weren’t concerned with justice or integrity, but with ratings and headlines. It’s infuriating to think about how many people’s lives were affected by this irresponsible and reckless behavior, all because the media got caught up in the frenzy and prioritized spectacle over substance.

        Sometimes I feel like I should be wearing a tin foil hat while typing this stuff lol. 😝

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      5. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        There was no investigative journalism there at all. It just seemed to be an exercise in praising the police. I am disgusted that those who reported on the child abductions never questioned the fact that they were seen as Night Stalker attacks by August. Maybe they did speak up but the editor said no because they were too interested in creating hype to sell papers…

        Then there was one that said Bell-Lang and Kyle happened simultaneously without questioning how this was possible. What kind of journalism is that. In a way, we’ve done their job. Too late for the victims and Richard but at least we’ve done it.

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      6. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        This is exactly why the information from this blog and book needs to be put on other platforms. There is far too many false and convoluted narratives floating around. It’s sad that nothing can actually be done for the victims and Richard or anyone else affected.

        But many aspects of what has happened in this case is still happening to this day. Innocent individuals are still wrongfully convicted and even executed, despite insufficient evidence. Due process rights are routinely violated, and the media often sensationalizes crimes rather than focusing on the facts. The justice system, designed to uphold fairness and equity, is frequently compromised by corruption and bias.

        They won’t bat an eye when it’s someone else. But cry wolf when it happens to them or one of their own. People need get their heads out of the hole and truly open their eyes. More innocent people should not suffer such injustice!

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      7. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        When it gets put on other platforms it gets removed, and those who posted it abused. It’s pathetic really.

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        But they can post his the nudes of his fangirls and groupies alongside pictures of the crime scenes and victims. It’s absurd and repulsive! What are they afraid of? All you guys are trying to do is trying to have rational adult conversations using legal documents. Never have either one of you try to force your belief of his guilt or innocence on anyone. So much for freedom of speech!

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        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, blood and gore is allowed, rational discourse and legal documents are banned.

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      10. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        There are moments when I wonder if I’m being too harsh on the investigators and the prosecution. After all, Richard had truly abysmal attorneys who couldn’t find their own butts with two hands, let alone mount a proper defense. But then I think about the victims—and Richard himself—and the possibility that he may not have committed all, or any, of the crimes he was accused of. The thought that he might have suffered and ultimately died in prison for something he didn’t do is deeply unsettling. Any sympathy I try to extend quickly vanishes, however, when I see how many of these individuals continue to gain fame and profit from their involvement in the case.

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      11. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        I understand those feelings, but any sympathy I ever might have had towards the investigators has long vanished. It got whittled away bit by bit, especially when considering how it’s turned into a profit making machine.
        Occasionally I feel sorry for Daniel Hernandez; (never Arturo) he was sick, under qualified and out classed by Halpin. He should never have taken that case. Then I remember that Richard wasn’t the only client he let down and my empathy dissolves.

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      12. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Reading the complaints from the other defendants makes me seriously question how Daniel even managed to pass law school, let alone get licensed to practice. Arturo’s behavior was beyond negligent—it was utterly disgraceful. I will never understand how someone could simply not show up to court proceedings, especially in a case where a man’s life was hanging in the balance. We’re talking about life and death here, not some minor legal dispute.

        It infuriates me to no end that Arturo treated the situation with such indifference. My conscience could never bear the weight of knowing I didn’t do everything in my power to save someone. How could he sleep at night, knowing he didn’t give it his all, knowing he failed to fulfill the most basic duties of a defense attorney? That type of grief probably would have killed me.

        Whether or not Richard was guilty, he deserved a fair defense—every human being does. Arturo, Daniel, and Ray Clark’s (I know he joined the case late, but he was still shit) blatant disregard for this is unforgivable, and I can’t help but feel an immense amount of anger at how their actions, or lack thereof, contributed to the outcome.

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        ~ Jay ~

        You know, when I began this, I didn’t start with the incidents themselves, I started with the lawyers. I couldn’t believe that such a huge damn case went to court with an under qualified defence, so I needed to understand why, and everything they did, and didn’t do. That side of it obsessed me, more so than any other aspect, apart from Richard’s mental health and physical health issues.
        For Arturo, it was all about money, and the “fame” they’d get from the case. He assumed it was a “slam dunk” until it was too late..and he realised that, yes, this case was VERY defendable. His attitude is disgusting, and Daniel tried to get him removed at one point, saying he’d rather be alone than work with someone who never showed up.
        Then Arturo has the nerve to appear of the Netflix docco saying that the LA crimes were not his [Richard’s] “first rodeo” and spouts the trope that he was good for forty more, including crimes in El Paso. Carrillo went around trying to find “unsolveds” in El Paso to pin on Ramirez; he found none.

        As for Ray Clark, he seemed to have a double melt down and did not help at all, he said Richard was “nuts”.

        Did you read the “Death is Different” clause in document 7 -3? That document deals with attorney rules as of 1985, and shows how far they fell below standard.

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      14. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Not to be crude or anything Arturo can actually suck it!

        I’ve probably skimmed the document at some point. It took me weeks to actually look through the entire Writ and actually understand it. This blog helped immensely with that. I’ll take a look at it later today. Thanks!

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        Pers

        this so called attorneys ….they should have been fired form the court…. and yes they still have nervs to say the LA crimes were not RR “first rodeo” – unbeliavable!! Oh and P. Carlo the great true crime expert said too, that RR have experience in crimes “because he did it many times…. it ist sad and so cruel.

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      16. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        They make all these stories up without a shred of evidence.

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  15. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    it just really seemed to me that Gil just wanted to be someone that written in history as a man That that once caught a “serial killer” do you guys see anywhere were a cop is acting in any movie or going on podcast for catching a serial killer? NOPE! just Gil! He didn’t that a young man’s life as at risk! He wanted to just be famous that’s honestly what i see Gil an attention seeking Gily boy! They would have and were pinning all sorts of crimes on Richard just to keep him behind bars and to just close those cases and someone like Richard was the best target for the cops! “Scrap goat” as they call him! While the real culprits are still out there doing more shit they allowed a man (Richard) to suffer more then he already did! Coaching victims into picking him knowing that Richard wasn’t the man that attacked them! They don’t care Richard was their roommate paying all their bills!

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      Vivi

      Richard was quite literally the perfect scapegoat. He had multiple mental illnesses and brain injuries that screwed up his behavior and judgment preventing him from actively contributing to his defense. His family had no money or connections to help him. He was saddled with two of the worst attorneys on this planet. He was naive in believing that he could control the narratives surrounding him through media appearances and the book. Which both blew up in his face because people used them as ways to further cement his guilt through editing and plain falsifying and making up information to make him fit the NS image. They hit the jackpot with him. All the pieces fell into place. If any one of these factors among other ones were different the outcome may have been different. His case was the worst case scenario. It’s almost surreal to contemplate the extent of his misfortune. Sometimes, it feels like a twisted script from a dystopian film.

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        sarah1997

        This all feels like a movie, take advantage of someone like Richard who’s suffering so much instead of helping him? Really? I lost a full trust in cops and anything surround them! Can’t we start over with life cuz I’m so done

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  16. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    the fact that Clark said he’d kill his client (Richard) is messed up! Your job is to save your clients life not wanting to kill him! What a disgusting thing to say especially towards Richard knowing what he’s been through. They just wanted to make excuses for their lazy work!

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      Vivi

      When I read that. I was just beyond words. I understand that he was probably under a lot of stress and pressure because he was put on the case not even a few months before Richard’s conviction and the Hernandezes were a mess. But that is no excuse to act like an uncivilized ass. If I heard that I would never ever hire someone like him to work on my case, I’d be better off representing myself. The fact that any of them went on to have a career after this disaster of a case is beyond me. Why would you hire someone who’s previous client got 19 death sentences? It was probably because of the notoriety of this case, like with that Manny guy.

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      1. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Clark also hypothesised whether it would be right to call 911 if Richard had a heart attack. In court. He said that.

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        All I can say is wow. Why did/do they have to dehumanize him at every turn?

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      3. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        It’s truly is messed up! Richard relied on them to save his life he acting like his badass bad boy guy but really I can see it that he was scared to die he was scared to show his true self. I know I may sound crazy but when I see videos of Richard’s or pictures I see so much sadness in his eyes compared to other criminals. I saw someone that needed protection to be defended properly! Those attorneys were crazy there should be no excuse for those attorneys actions I do however understand there was a lot of pressure for Clark but still saying you want to kill your client is disrespectful disgusting and disgraceful and so wrong! They are hiding more things then we think and know I hope one day eveything will get released! After learning about this case it makes me wish to be a criminal defence lawyer cuz I care about Richard and others in his situation and I don’t want to see anyone suffer like he did.

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      4. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Prior to this case I believed in the misconception that the prosecutors were the good guys and that the defense was the bad guys. But now my entire perception has changed thanks to this blog and the book. I initially wanted to be a prosecutor because I had such a negative perception of defense attorneys mostly due to popular media. But now my aspirations have changed from wanting to be a criminal prosecutor to a criminal defense attorney. I want to help people like Richard who feel disenfranchised and unsupported. Every person deserves a good and proper defense, no matter who they are. They conviction of guilt of the crime or crimes in question should be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope one day that I can make huge reforms within the American legal system and maybe spread the reformation to the legal systems of other countries.

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      5. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Wow you’re truly amazing person! It’s a dream to me to become a criminal defence lawyer I’m not that smart like you guys tho aha but yes I want to so badly help people like Richard ! I want to save lives my heart is too big and I want to spread love to everyone even I have love for Richard as a person a child of god! I hope u can become a criminal defence lawyer for the both of us if that’s what you truly want I wish I can be!

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      6. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Awww thank you so much. I just hope I pass the stupid LSAT next fall.

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      7. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Please keep us in the loop!

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I got a decent score on the practice ones. But I’m not that great of a test taker.

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      9. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Fingers crossed!

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      10. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Haha I hate exams they bring up my anxiety! But dw you’re really smart the way you bring out this case and talk shows a lot not a little but alot of knowledge that you have! I’m pray you pass but dw I know you’re smart!

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      11. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        And you are smart. Almost every day you get on her and have intelligent conversations and ask questions. You are not dumb! (: Don’t doubt yourself. If the lawyer route is not for you maybe you can help start some sort of organization or create a movement. It doesn’t have to be big. There are lots of ways that you can help. Like you said your heart is big and you care a lot about people who are or were in Richard’s position. I’m sure there are plenty of things that you can do with your kindness and intelligence that will help!

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        sarah1997

        Awwww you’re so sweet thank you! I will hopefully in the future do something about this once I figure out how aha

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      13. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Oh yay! Good luck with this, I sincerely hope you get to do this, I think you’d be fantastic. The system needs more people like you.

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  17. Vivi Avatar
    Vivi

    This is probably a stupid questions and irrelevant. But is it true that Doreen is or was selling the nudes and photographs of Richard’s fangirls and groupies?

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      ~ Jay ~

      I have absolutely no idea about that. lol

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        Vivi

        I was questioning whether it was true or not because it just doesn’t seem like something she would do, especially with her being a devout Christian and such. But then I remember that she sold Richard’s underwear, so… I’m not trying to disparage or mess up her character in anyway. I just hope she isn’t doing it because it could get her in a lot of legal trouble. I hope it’s just another rumor spread by her haters.

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        ~ Jay ~

        God, the underwear! lo Why, Doreen, why? lol

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      3. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        What if it isn’t even his? lol

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      4. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        And someone who bought it definitely huffed the gusset. You know it

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      5. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I gagged reading that! WTF

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      6. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I thought they would just wear or something lol.

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        ~ Jay ~

        Hahahahahaaa!!

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      8. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        What if they were Robert’s and she stole them? LOL

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      9. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Or Julián’s musty scuds 🤮

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      10. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Hahahaa!!!

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      11. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Gil probably bought them.

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      12. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        The mystery deepens.

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      13. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I remember seeing a whole thread of people wondering how ‘big’ Richard was based on his undies. I can’t with people anymore.

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        ~ Jay ~

        It’s utterly crazy!

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      15. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        Perverts all of them!

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      16. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I derailed this entire post with my idiot question.

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      17. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yeah, but it was funny! LOL

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        Vivi

        Lol I just saw the Gil comment. My younger sister and I always debate whether he has a thing for Richard or something. His obsession is weird. The Instagram profile pic really did it for me. Most normal people would have a picture of a cute animal,their family, or even a photo of themselves ect. But he has a picture of a serial killer that he helped catch. It’s just weird! I have never seen anything like it.

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      19. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        A friend of mine thinks this. That it is slightly… homosexual. The focus on the body shape and him having an anal check is just…gay.

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      20. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        By anal check do you mean they key and syringe incident or something else?

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      21. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        The mandatory prison body checks!

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        Vivi

        What the actual fuck?! Did he talk about it on a podcast or something?

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      23. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Of course.. LOL

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      24. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I don’t even want to know what line of interviewing lead him to talk about Richard getting a anal check.

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      25. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        It was particularly when Richard went to SQ for the first time. Carrillo said he received information from colleagues about his reaction to being strip searched!

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        Vivi

        Even at SQ he was spying on him.

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      27. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, it is extremely weird and looks obsessive.

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      VenningB

      lol I did see a book of photos for sale that I think came from her. With a lot of foot photos, naturally!

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        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, she did have all of the women pics that he had left, I think. Imagine a book filled with photos of other people’s trotters! LOL
        Who would even want that?

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        LMAO Richard’s foot fetish is the least weird one out of all his fetishes. I was surprised that none of the crimes where the victim was sexually assaulted there wasn’t any foot play because of how fixated he was on feet. Most serial killers use their crimes as ways to live out their sexual desires.

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      3. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        Yes we’ve always said that. And he never did karate moves on anyone despite supposedly being good at it.

        Although Gil sometimes claims a victim was shot in the foot! Don’t know which one because it’s not in legal documents or anywhere, to my knowledge anyway.

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    sarah1997

    you know vivi freedom of speech isn’t even real not in this world at least. We can say what we want but only if they approve of it cuz if they don’t we get banned etc….. this blog isn’t at all disrespectful what about this blog is disrespectful cuz I couldn’t see it at all why? Cuz it’s not disrespectful!! They want to be suck ups to Gil! I’ve never seen a more messed up case than this! Why are they always talking about the groupies and fangirls manipulating his behaviour hiding very important things about him and no full video footage as other Criminals? So why?! This blog and this book as I mentioned before should be known! People have to read it I’m tired of all this lies.

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      ~ Jay ~

      Apparently we are disrespectful for showing court documents and questioning the undoubtedly shaky evidence. Court papers = bad, but making podcast after podcast, films and wine and crime nights are good. That is how the world works. Don’t question, don’t try and make sense of the senseless..

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        sarah1997

        That’s messed up to the next level! No way am I allowing such shit thing to happen, I’m not gonna just shut my mouth cuz I question anything if you have a problem with that then go to your godfather Gil and cry on his shoulders. The wine and crime is just cringe and shows such utter ignorance and disrespect to Richard, the victims and Richard’s family! And they call us disrespectful or groupies hahaha wow. My mom and I are waiting for aliens to come take us we both are so done with earth

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    Isabella 99

    Yes I m annoyed as well ..fact is that Richard was locked away forever and obviously there was no one who said , wait there s something wrong ! Philip Carlo ? No , he even said that Richard had killed 40 people.! How can he say that ? Nicolas Shrek said the same in an Interview. He also said that Richard was t socialized and he d have ” no Filter ” ( whatever that means) And he went on with claiming that Richard had said that he ( Richard ) would probably even kill him ( Shrek ) I mean they knew each other from the trial..how can Shrek say those things ? Richard was not socialised he said . But thats not true. It annoys me …Also I wonder wether his family and specially Doreen could have fought for him ? And . did Richard never freak out and said ,” it was nt me .” ? ? What did Doreen do ? What did his sister do ? I really can not understand that Richard was locked away forever and they threw away the key ! But when I think about the Pressure the LAPD was in to present a serialkiller I slowly begin to understand the “game ” its a bit llke playing Chess…than everything could have been possible to put everything on Richard . And the judje ..Halpin and Tynan .? They were convinced that it only could have been Richard ..and they have seen the crime scene Fotos and it was even more only Richard ..?!

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    Isabella 99

    Wether Doreen sold those Fotos ? I can only mention my experiences with a friend of mine in a big prison in Hamburg..He first was there for 6 years for a drug crime . I visited him a couple of times . And I immediately realised that a prison is a parallel Universe with its own rules and its always about money..Money is needed for everything and with money you can buy everything. Money makes the World go round in prison..the more you have the better it is. So ..in case Richard needed money of even Doreen needed money ..Sure she d sell wathever Fotos ! I dont know her but she seems trustful zo me, also when money is short you just do those things . I cannot imagine that it was a mean thing or so ..being married to a serialkiller is really expensive ! !

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      VenningB

      I’d probably sell them too to be honest. She had no use for naked ho pics

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        sarah1997

        I never understood how such pictures would even be allowed in prison! I’d have just burned those pictures lol

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      2. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        Fully naked pics are not allowed, and they are vetted before being given to the incarcerated person. I knew someone who said her pic had been covered up (in places) with little yellow stars. Hahahaa!

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        sarah1997

        Ahhh ok gotcha cuz I was confused cuz lots of his pictures are of naked women and I was like wtf would they allow this but ok i understand now thnx Jay! He also as for a lot of feet pictures I feel like he asked for more feet pictures than naked ones if im correct.

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      4. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        I actually think the pics that Richard seemed to get were far more “suggestive” than is normal. Perhaps the rules weren’t so tight back then.

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        sarah1997

        Perhaps ya! And he had such a big foot fetish omg haha

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      6. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I’m assuming that they read the letters Richard sends. So does that mean they read his ‘Wattpad (sex)’ letters before they were sent?

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        ~ Jay ~

        I would imagine so, unless the rules were very different in SQ, which I doubt. Sexual letters ARE allowed, but yeah, some prison official is reading them first. I believe they “spot check”, and slit open some to read and tape them back up before they’re posted out.

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      8. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        I read those letters and laughed for like an hour straight. They were weirdly innocent in some ways. Some of them sounded like a scripts for pornos lol.

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      9. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        And a lot of it was him fantasising about awkwardly pleasuring the woman! In one, he was writing about washing someone’s legs.
        He didn’t come across rapey to me.

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        Vivi

        He just seemed like he was sexually inexperienced.

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      ~ Jay ~

      You’re absolutely right, and if she sold them, that’s her business.

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      Vivi

      I’m not really judging her for selling them. Like what the hell are doing sending naked pics to someone’s husband let alone a ‘convicted’ serial killer! Desperate much?! I just hope she doesn’t get into any trouble. She’s already been through enough.

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      Vivi

      It’s kind of sad the lengths these women went to have Richard notice them. Particularly Cupcake Cindy.

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        ~ Jay ~

        I find it quite fascinating, how all these women went mad for him. And also the effect he continues to have on people years after his death. But Cindy.. lol. She did not help matters and was a destructive influence on Richard.

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        Vivi

        He mostly seemed to draw in women who felt like outcasts from society, much like himself. Some of these seemed to have a savior complex. It reminds of the whole I can fix him trope. I’m not gonna lie and say that the guy was ugly. I mean calling him attractive makes more sense than calling Bundy attractive. But that’s just my opinion. He also had this sort of natural charisma about him that drew people in.

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      3. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        His earliest psychologists recognised that: “The boy has charisma..”

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        Vivi

        If only TYC gave him the help he so desperately needed and wanted.

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    sarah1997

    I always believed Doreen wa one of those crazy groupies or someone that’s just using Richard for her own gain! But after coming to this blog and reading everyone’s comments about her I changed my mind about how I feel about her I think Doreen is misunderstood by many people I think after leaning more about her it shows that she truly cared and loved Richard I’m so happy he had her by his side he needed someone to care for him since no one else would! That’s very nice of her

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      ~ Jay ~

      She was there for him when no one else was. Whatever her motives, she must’ve loved him, she gave up everything for him; her career, family. Everything. You don’t do that unless you truly love someone, and her life can’t have been easy. I don’t like how she is vilified, and most of the groupie fangirls are insanely jealous of her.

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        sarah1997

        Yes I totally agree with you! I can now tell she really loved him it must have taken a lot for her to do that cuz as you said she gave up a lot of things risked a lot damnn tbh she really is a great women and I really do admire her and appreciate her for stay by his aside when he was practically abandoned by everyone poor guy.

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      YesIAmEvil

      In “my” “philosophy of life” we are all egoists. Each of our decisions has egoistic motives. Of course you can do a lot for other people, but at a closer look, you will see, that you do it because you yourself get some kind of benefits from it. People maybe like you or respect you for what you do. Or maybe you are just empathetic and you suffer yourself if you see someone else suffering, so ending his suffering means that you won’t suffer anymore either. The benefits can be really weird and not always obviously something positive. Some people for example feel strong if they endure a lot and they just like this feeling of strength or the feeling to be a good person, good Christian, good wife, good husband etc. Regarding prisoners it could be that you can have a relationship without living together with the other. You can live your every day life however you want. You always know where you’re partner is. You don’t need to have sex with him (for some women sex could be a problem). You visit him and you both try to make the best out of it, because your time together is limited. You never need to see him drunk, farting and snoring on the sofa. I don’t know what it was for Doreen, but I’m sure she did it for herself. And I don’t mean that in a negative way. In my view of the world it’s just impossible not to be egoistic. Because we can see the world only through our own eyes, so we can only do what we want, what we consider right etc. It’s always about ourselves. (And, yes, I don’t believe in love. “I gave up on love and happiness a long time ago.” 😉 Btw., not being happy doesn’t mean to be unhappy. )

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        sarah1997

        Hmmm very interesting statement! It is true that eveyone does soemthing to benefit from their decisions true ! I still do however believe that Doreen reallyy loved him even tho I don’t agree with her selling his things but that’s her choice I’m not judging

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        YesIAmEvil

        In my opinion love doesn’t exist, at least not as a feeling itself. In my opinion it’s just a combination of feelings and then together we call them love. But the combination is different for everyone. The feelings could be: physical attraction, respect, the wish to be like the other, to learn from them, the way the other is treating us, certain character traits that we like, the feeling the other understands us, having things in common, thankfulness, the feeling of responsibility towards the other etc etc. But, it doesn’t really matter, the feeling in the end (in combination) is the same, I just don’t call it love. I’d talk about the single feelings instead. So regarding Doreen I’d agree with: she had deep and strong and honest feelings for Richard. But I don’t know what exactly it was that made the bonding strong.

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        sarah1997

        Ahhh I see, a part of me doesn’t even believe in love as well I’ve been hurt too many times but part me also believes in love.

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        YesIAmEvil

        What I mean has nothing to do with getting hurt etc. It’s more a philosophical question, not a question of real experience. But, of course, a person who doesn’t mean anything to you, can’t hurt you. Idk, my experience is, that the more you are able to be happy with yourself, to give yourself what you need , the less you need from other people and the less they can hurt you. (I’m pretty sure Richard would have agreed with that. )

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      5. ~ Jay ~ Avatar
        ~ Jay ~

        That’s also my experience.

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        sarah1997

        Ahhhhh ok ok I see what you mean very interesting!

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      7. mysticpolicef616ca1b1a Avatar
        mysticpolicef616ca1b1a

        C’est tellement vrai, je suis ravie d’avoir lu ces 3 commentaires de Oui je suis le Mal. C’est ma propre définition de l’amour et du bonheur, je ne pouvais simplement pas mettre des mots dessus.

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        ~ Jay ~

        Merci beaucoup pour votre commentaire, nous l’apprécions vraiment.

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    sarah1997

    I’ve been watching this documentary about serial killers and how they become them idk if I believe them much cuz I don’t truly believe people know what truly goes on in people’s minds and eveyone just like serial killers are different but one thing that stood out for me was when they said animal cruelty is one of the biggest signs. What are your thoughts on this?

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    sarah1997

    what really saddens me is that as vivi said TYC did give him the help he wanted and needed, that was clearly the time he needed such big help but they didn’t give it to him! Ik his parents if I’m correct said to them he’s fine etc… and in there culture it probably has to with them lying cuz some cultures don’t really take mental healthy etc… too seriously! but still I hate that they had to lie another him be fine when he clearly wasn’t and he him self wanted help!

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    Vivi

    I know that even with the public defenders Richard still may have been found guilty of at least some of the crimes mostly due to public hysteria and pressure not the evidence. But at least his appeals would have had a better chance of being more successful and he may not have received a death sentence. I try to empathize with the people as much as possible as they must’ve been in a constant state of fear and panic with the police patrolling the streets and helicopters flying over them. But they allowed this fear and panic to get in the way of law enforcement doing their job in order to find the culprit quick. This fear is understandable seeing how violent that attacks were. But this type of hasty work could lead to the wrong person being accused and the real culprits escaping.
    I went through similar experience when the Boston bombings were going on. I lived very close to the location of the bombings and was even going to see the Boston marathon that day. Thankfully, my parents changed their minds. I remember my family and I would all sit around the TV filled with nervousness to see the whereabouts of the bombers. The fear was paralyzing. Even if it only lasted for a few days.
    It was a terrifying experience. Parents were hesitant to send their kids to school. Many towns and cities were essentially shut down and had curfews. Most people just locked themselves in their homes and didn’t come out. Relief was only felt when the two bombers were caught. So I understand what they were feeling to a certain extent. In this situation too there was immense pressure on law enforcement to find the culprits. But they seemed to try to conduct the investigation in as calm a manner as possible despite how pressing the concern was. They did make several mistakes, but nonetheless they did their best.

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      I believe that even had he had amazing lawyers who hired the best experts to put forward what we’ve shown here, he would still have been found guilty. The pressure was on to deliver a guilty verdict, and no juror was going to face the public hatred with the words “Not guilty” on their lips. But yes, the public defenders, Henry Hall and Allen Adashek, would definitely have pushed forward with Richard’s competency issues, just as Joseph Gallegos had tried to do. Also the jury would have heard evidence in mitigation and might have questioned why the eyewitnesses all changed their descriptions (especially as some of the alternates HAD noticed discrepancies, regarding the blond perpetrator).
      Decent lawyers would have been able to push back against the prosecution and develop a proper challenge to the case, had the jury had heard about faulty ballistics, and had understood that the shoeprint evidence was misleading, perhaps they may have returned a “not guilty” on the counts with shoe prints present, but somehow, I still doubt it.

      He was going to be found guilty no matter what.

      Wow, I am so sorry that you were close to the Boston bombings, how terrifying for you.

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        Sometimes I do find myself being angry at the people of LA county. But the hysteria was basically induced in them, so I try to refrain from putting much responsibility and blame on them for what has happened. I feel that the spark to this hysteria was started with the pedophile who was kidnapping/abducting children and then sexually assaulting them. The most vulnerable were being targeted, which understandably set people on high alert. I bet Carrillo and the rest of the homicide bureau showing up at all the other crime scenes, despite some of them not even being in their jurisdiction, set the media off on concocting a serial killer. The investigators and media then did mental gymnastics in connecting all these cases and the NS was born and Richard got caught up in the web.

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        VenningB

        Yeah on the one hand I think, “why were they so easily controlled by the media? How did they not know about the crime rates in their areas?”

        Then someone who was a teen back then commented and said because they had no internet, no one questioned what was on TV, not did they suspect cops could be shady.

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        Vivi

        It makes sense the lack of other narratives and tools/technology to do your own research was limited. If the Writ wasn’t so accessible maybe we may not have even questioned anything. But I still do feel some form of frustration towards them,especially because their efforts didn’t seem to reduce the crime rates because they continued rising each year.

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        Would you happen to know if the prosecution was doing interviews or talking to the media before and during the trial? I feel like with this being such a high profile case with so much public interest and because there was not a change of venue. The least they could have done is put a gag order on both parties as to not taint the jury or further intensify public pressure. I don’t know if that makes sense.

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        VenningB

        I think they did. There were occasional quotes in the paper

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        Vivi

        Haplin seemed like someone who was media-savvy and used emotive language. This coupled with the public seeing the prosecution as heroes would definitely lead to statements that the prosecution made impacting the judgement of those involved in the case. I wish jury had been sequestered.

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  25. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    Idk if I say this enough but you guys (Kaycee, venning & Jay) are my hero’s and don’t tell me you did nothing or don’t deserve to be hero’s cuz girl you better stop right there, you 3 did a lot a lot a lot a lot more than you think and do deserve to be seen as hero’s fuck the haters don’t worry about them at all! You got all of us here supporting you 3 no matter what! You have no idea how blessed I am to have come to this blog but a big ass smile on my face! I really hope you’re able to do the podcast whenever it is time! I will forever support you 3 your works are truly amazing never seen such dedication like yours! Keep it up! And everyone else on this blog you rock! Hehe

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  26. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Hey Sarah , yes cruelty to animals and bed wetting are signs some of the best known serial Killers had ..but Richie did nt . Back to Doreen , she had my sympathy right from the Start. I thought ..Wow ,she s tough ! You have to be a real tough cookie even , otherways you won t get very far in dealing with all the odd people and odd happenings in such a complicated affair as beeing in love with ” Monster of all Monsters..Serialkiller Number One and Public Enemy Nr 1 Richard Ramirez..!! She was looked upon as a crazy weirdo who did nt know with wohm she was in love with..I rembemer reporter, a woman from a TV Company , asked her wether she needed glasses ! Oh .how awful I thought ..but thats the sort of prejudice which is just human ? Doreen kepg cool and said : ” Well ..I Don t see evil in him ..”. ! Also she had to deal with his complicated family members …And 50 000 other things…When his compulsary masturbation got worse she had to accept it..and deal with this too . I m sure she tried to Support him in many ways..but it takes an aeful lot of your own Power and Ressources. I wonder how shr felt about Cindy Haden and the other immature girls and women who ran after him like a crazy Pack of Wolfes..! PLUS Richards own state of mind …Doreen must have had nerves like steel ! And . til now she is hated so much by those You Tube fangirls ..I Don t believe it but its true. So..as I know from own experience…I guess she often did organize things for him and that took Lots of money…and after a while it gets soo tiring . Especially when the prisoner is immature , stubborn ,depressive , childish and charismatic..I could go on like this …but enough now..But Doreen should Not be treated as she is treated , or was treated .It s a disgrace .. How can this actually be possible ? Its no ones Business but hers .

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      It’s nothing but pure jealousy, even though they’ll never admit it. The fact that Richard chose Doreen over them hurt them deeply. Doreen is a remarkably brave woman for standing up for the man she loved, especially in the face of such overwhelming opposition. It must have felt like the entire world turned against her, yet she still chose to risk her reputation and her future for him. If she ever wanted children or a more conventional life, she put all of that on the line to protect and support Richard. That takes incredible strength.

      Now, if she had believed Richard was guilty and still defended him, I wouldn’t support her actions. But she genuinely believed in his innocence, and she fought for him as best as she could. We will never truly know the full extent of their relationship, nor should it be anyone’s business. What matters is that Doreen had the courage to stand by Richard when he had no one else.

      People project their own insecurities and frustrations onto Doreen, but the truth is, I doubt many of them would have treated Richard with the same care and dedication she did. A lot of the women who claimed to care for him were simply chasing attention, fame, or even profit—just like so many others around him. The media turned Richard into a sort of celebrity, and for many of these people, being connected to him was the closest they’d ever get to someone famous—or in this case, infamous.

      I have immense respect for Doreen and for the women who believed in his innocence and tried to care for him, despite the societal backlash. It’s easy for others to judge from the outside, but the truth is, most wouldn’t have had the courage or heart to stand by him the way she did. But I have no respect for the hybristophiles. The crimes that he was accused of and was “convicted” of are deplorable.

      If you believe in his guilt and still defend him because you find him attractive you are a huge part of the reason why the world still has a distorted image of him and why the truth still remains hidden. As I said before the media is mostly to blame for this, especially with whole Death Row Romeo stupidity. But the fault also lies with these women as well.

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        sarah1997

        Richard truly needed someone to give him love and support and believe in him and Doreen did exactly that I took have deep respect for her! Those groupies would have for sure used him for their own gain just like everyone else did! Before I came here someone on YouTube told me I’m only defending him cuz he’s good look omg stop! Like yes Richard was a very handsome man but that’s not why I’m defending him I ain’t a groupie or fan girl at all! There’s is so much more to Richard than his face! It’s not his fault at all the way he looks! You can’t just go on saying those things assuming that it’s his looks! Just like Doreen I as well believe in his innocence etc…. But that doesn’t make me a groupie ya I have love for him but as a human being cuz at the end of the day he was still a human being and what happened to him was unacceptable! They don’t know what to say so they give you such lazy arguments! There’s absolutely nothing wrong with defending Richard I’ll forever defend! Someone like let’s say Ted Bundy he’s someone omg I’d never ever in my life defend or dahmer or gacey or son of Sam etc…. People need to back off about this whole groupie shit and see the backs and truth and by doing so they have to read this amazing blog and book I don’t want Jay venning Kaycee’s work to be thrown away and put to waste people have to read this other wise for Christmas I’m getting them AVIAS!

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      sarah1997

      yes I completely agree with you about all of this! Those fan girls would literally claw your eyes out! They just jealous Richard choose her over them! Cup cake Cindy don’t even get me started on her! She crazy that interview of her wow are really ruined it for Richard and it’s so sad how cuz if her he gad to fire Martin!

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        Vivi

        I’m still wondering whether her claims of fondling Richard are true. I highly doubt it. He was a maximum security prisoner. But maybe security measures in SF were different and more lax in general in the 80’s and 90’s. I wonder how Richard felt reading about it. What kind of sane person would reveal to the world that they were in a relationship with a serial killer, while still saying that he was still guilty on national tv? It’s absolute clownery!

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        VenningB

        I think they were definitely more lax in SF Jail but it’s still odd. He would still have been in the high security wing. Her claims are very fan-fiction sounding.
        I want to know when things ended between them.

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        Vivi

        Probably when he decided to marry Doreen.

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        VenningB

        She must have gone nuts. I think she brought her parents to meet him and everything.

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        Vivi

        LMAO I can tell how crazy she was when she was on the Geraldo Show!

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        Vivi

        His groupies scare me sometimes.

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        Vivi

        She was probably salty about it.

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        sarah1997

        I don’t truly think it was possible for her to fondle him as she claimed to have happened frequently but I mean we never know it may have actually happened but yes the SQ security was probably at that time different! She just was an attention seeker to me she voted death and then said sorry! Wtf! You choose to kill a person then say sorry?! Then wanted to touch him?! wtf no girl! Then naive Richard forgave her and believed she’d help defend him! I wish he didn’t trust her at all and that interview of her really ruined it for him!

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        Vivi

        I think him firing Martin. Just goes to show how fractured his thinking was. Instead of focusing on saving his life and trying to contribute to his own case he was more focused on trying to control the communication between his attorneys and the people around him. I find her to be completely insufferable.

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        sarah1997

        Yup exactly agree! She basically used him in my opinion.

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      Vivi

      Honestly, if she ever wrote a book, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. It would likely offer a far more truthful account than the ones written by his so-called family members and friends, who have been trying to profit off him from the start. Doreen could have easily capitalized on her marriage to Richard and made a fortune, but she chose not to. I’m not sure what she’s up to now, but at least she didn’t turn him into a cash cow while he was still alive, which says a lot about her character.

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    Isabella 99

    Exactely she could have made a Fortune with their Story. If she d bring out a book I m sure that even her jelous haters would buy it out of desperation..I surely would buy it on the Spot ! I ve read that Doreen saw him at his capture and she felt sorry for him liked him immediately . This was BEFORE this big Media Hype. But he was already good looking I d say..alltough 12 teeth missing , but this she lerned only later ! As I know this type of guys I can fully understand her infatuation and love she felt for him. We have all seen him in this Watkiss Interview and he s just incredible ! His looks ,his demeanor , his way of talking , his voice, his shoulders..everything ! And that he reads from Script..LOL. I like that so much ! And the way he moves in the courtroom ..wearing those super suits..Sure Doreen bought them…He looked so WOW….and he moved and walked like a supermodel on a catwalk.Just unbelievable he was at his own trial ! On the other hand he surely was nt easy to deal with …his history of burglary and drug taking , his naivity ,his stubbornness etc.., his immature behaviour , his whole background , liviln in the streets , dealing with prostitutes ..etc.lots of other things probably. Those guys can bring you to the absolute Limit and then its over with sweet romance. Fortunately Doreen was not like the other women.

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      sarah1997

      well said Isabella interesting what you said! So agree too that his groupies would be buying her book if she made one! Same with me id buy a Doreen book for sure! Doreen heart to me was in the right place. Richard for once in his life needed someone like her. Idk about you guys but if he was still alive today I would have definitely written to him and be a good loyal real friend to him I wish he had that too!

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      1. mysticpolicef616ca1b1a Avatar
        mysticpolicef616ca1b1a

        tout à fait d’accord j’ai pensé la même chose, je lui aurais certainement écrit aussi.

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        sarah1997

        I’m so sorry but I don’t understand what you’re saying 😅

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    sarah1997

    I wonder if Gil can get any more lower after what he’s done or he’s already very low, he even mentioned during a podcast that him and Richard were getting along very well etc…. I honestly doubt it tho!

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    Isabella 99

    But one thing ! I can not really understand . And that is : when Doreen really thought he was innocent why did she not try everything she could to get him out of St.Quentin Death Row ? But maybe this happens only in the movies.

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      VenningB

      There was probably nothing she could do. Most people would dismiss her as a delusional lovesick weirdo.

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        Vivi

        I could never imagine feeling that helpless. The feeling of knowing there a huge chance that your husband, the man you love, being put in a chamber and gassed for something that you believe he didn’t do. It’s not something that could be described in words. Honestly, if I was in her place I wouldn’t be able to go living either with that type of grief.

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      sarah1997

      honestly I truly believe it’s cuz no matter what she could have tried the cops will always find a way to keep him in SQ and would do anything to make him look guilty I wish there was a way he could have gotten free but I doubt he had a chance at all he was doomed from the start poor guy.

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      I am sure she did everything she could, which would be limited. She could have no influence over the appeals process.

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  30. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Yes Sarah I d write him too.I d never write to Bundy of Alcala Horrible.

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      sarah1997

      Awww yes girl I’m glad there are people out there that wouldn’t use Richard like others did! And oh god no never Ted Bundy how women found him handsome or innocent is beyond me haha.

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        I don’t understand the handsome aspect either. But he was charismatic and had a way with words. That’s pretty much it though. He emotionally manipulated the people who trusted him and believed in his innocence such as his mother and then did a complete 180 just prior to being executed. Manipulative ass.

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        sarah1997

        Ya the man was crazy and I can’t believe he escaped twice like damn if this was a sad tragic case I’d laugh at the fact he escaped twice

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  31. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Yes , nothing she could do ! This is a sort of machinery ..the whole Systems are similiar ..She would even be unsucessful by provokant a scandal. Anyway ,did nt she say she d kill herself if they execute him ??

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      Yes, so I understand.

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    sarah1997

    there are these 2 Canadian serial killers here one got released few years ago while the other is life in prison. No one is happy about that release. Idk if you guys heard of that Ken and Barbie killers?

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      I’ve heard of that case. It’s just horrible what they did, especially to Karla’s sister, poor thing betrayed by the person who was closest to her. I know that Karla got a lesser sentenced and was eventually released because she confessed and turned against her husband. But I don’t approve of people whitewashing her she played a significant role in almost all the crimes and that was by her own admission. She should be rotting in jail with Paul!

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        sarah1997

        Yup! I wish she got life imprisonment like Paul! Knowing that she is from canada like me and loves here scares me I am never going to that city as she is in!

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    sarah1997

    also Jay vanning kaycee, do you guys believe of think at one point in life Gil will confess to his wrong doings about his made up stories etc..?

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      No.

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        Idk why she was released she did awful things and the same thing as her husband who also was a serial killer sometimes im scared cuz she was released.

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      VenningB

      Never!

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        Wow wow I was hoping for a maybe but tbh yes I knew it would be a never, I just don’t get it like I’m so lost when you look at other serial cases like for example Bundy! He even cross examined a witness omg Bundy of all people!!! Dalhmer was given coffee and a pack of cigarettes to talk about his confessions etc… the list goes on! But Richard’s case was omg the most awful handled.

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    Isabella 99

    Yes , I vd seen in one of the Doccos that she said that she d kill herself if they execute him !

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    sarah1997

    the amount questions we all have just comes to shows how poorly this case was handled. I’m can’t even begin to imagine who else this could happen, this is end? Idk I hope so, knowing that there are more questions than answers is crazy! Even after reading the book I’m left with few questions. You 3 would make amazing lawyers the investigation you’ve done is outstanding! I hope you 3 will always know I’ll always support your work! And i seriously can’t thank you 3 enough especially for the book! I would to also read more of vennings book! I’d say you’re the best author I’ve ever known!

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      VenningB

      True!

      I’d make a bad lawyer though. I tried to study it once when I was 17. It was mind numbingly boring! I’d be better as an investigator!

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        sarah1997

        It’s ok dw! I truly believe you would make an awesome lawyer but and even better investigator! You guys did an amazing investigation! To be a good lawyer you just have to be better than Clark, and the Hernandez clowns which! And you’re definitely better than them!

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    sarah1997

    I was just reading about the zodiac killer and he was also in San Francisco and was never ever apprehended and if I’m correct didn’t solano work on his case? Do you think they pined some of his crimes on Richard? Also I was reading about what his (zodiac killer) motive was and it was written unknown!

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      It was Falzon who worked on it but it was the late 1960s

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        Idk why i get these names mixed up omg but thank you so much venning! But it’s crazy how he was never apprehended.

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      Vivi

      There was so serial killers walking around during those times that it’s so hard to keep track of them.

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        sarah1997

        Yes I bet and so scary omg

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    sarah1997

    I was reading something just now and it kinda got me thinking this may have happened in Richard’s case! Serial killer expert David Wilson stated that when the cops are prejudices like racism, sexism and other seasons etc… can pretty much make serial killers get away with their crimes. They downplayed the media after Richard was arrested not stating that the crimes in the same manner continued and a a higher rate too! I truly believe they let the real killers get away.  And Richard being Richard was again the perfect scrap-goat for them! 

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    Vivi

    I doubt that anyone would really know this. But, what do you think was Richard’s reaction when his dad passed away in 1991? I know that their relationship was strained and Julian Sr. behavior towards Richard was toxic because of the physical and verbal abuse. But I’m sure Richard still loved him because he tried to prevent hims family from being involved of the trial process to protect. Also, I read somewhere that having Julian Sr. testify and then be impeached because he messed up the timeline of Richard’s visits was traumatizing for Richard.

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      sarah1997

      omg I was thinking the same thing about Richard’s reaction towards his fathers death! In my opinion (plz correct me if I’m wrong!) I think Richard had mixed feelings about his fathers death I think deep down he loved his father ofc and felt sadness even if it’s a little bit but at the same time was sick and tired of all his fathers abuse towards him!

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        Yea their relationship was extremely complicated. It was a love-hate relationship. I think it still affected him a lot though, even if he didn’t show it. His dad passed away thinking that he was a rapist and murder and that being his last perception of Richard must’ve been hard. I doubt that he talked about it with anyone, even with the psychologists/psychiatrists that he saw for his appeals.

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        sarah1997

        Oh no he for sure never said anything to those people. He’d was reluctant to talk anything personal about himself!

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      Of course we can never know, but Richard seems to have loved his parents deeply, in my opinion.
      He sabotaged his own defence in order to stop his lawyers prying into his family, and would rather have been executed than expose his parents to public scrutiny. He was traumatised by having his father testify in court, that is in the documents.
      Only Richard could tell you exactly how he felt, we can just speculate by his actions.

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        Poor thing. I can really relate to him, especially when it comes to having a difficult relationship with my own father—loving him and wanting to support him regardless of the struggles. I don’t doubt for a second that he felt like he had brought shame upon his family. Coming from a traditional upbringing, where appearances and standing in the community matter so much, that must have weighed heavily on him. It’s heartbreaking to think that he would rather have faced death than drag his family through the mess he was in. Most people, when pushed to the brink, prioritize their own survival, even if it means others get hurt in the process. But from what I understand, he always tried to put his family first. Even selling his life story, if it meant that it could financially help his mother, speaks volumes about where his heart was.

        In my opinion, he was a selfless and sensitive person who, despite his public image, cared deeply for the people in his life. His harsh upbringing, the environment he was raised in, combined with his mental health struggles, likely caused him to suppress those caring parts of himself. I think he built up walls and only allowed surface-level connections with others because he simply didn’t know how to express himself fully. I often find myself defending him more than holding him accountable for the things he did have control over, but I can’t help empathizing and sympathizing with him. He was a product of so many factors beyond his control.

        It’s important to keep reminding myself that he’s no longer here and that there is nothing that I can actually do to help him nor change what happened. The only thing I can do now is continue to talk about his case and educate others about the things that have been hidden or misunderstood. Sharing the truth and having these conversations feels like the one small way I can keep his story alive and maybe bring more clarity to the complexities of his life.

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        VenningB

        I feel exactly the same as you.
        As for defending him, I do feel like an apologist. But then I remember that few people ever adequately defended him in the course of his whole life. So we are all providing that balance. His burglaries were his way of surviving in a place where there was no support network. And it was often the fund his drug problem which originally started in self-medication.

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        sarah1997

        his mother passéd after him correct? And also are his siblings still alive Ik Robert and Rosa are still but idk about the rest

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    csmutny06cae8b36d

    It funny you mentioned the father, I just was on Tumblr today, snooping around, and believe me, I know it is trashy and full of bullshit when it comes to any decent research on RR. But, the same question was asked, if RR was upset when he found out about his dad dying? I have to say, yes, because he did seem to have cared for Julian SR, as he really seemed to care for the entire family. My question was did Julian have any remorse/regrets on treating Richard so badly? We may never know because RR didn’t let many people inside of his thoughts.

    I am guessing that when the timeline was stated incorrectly, Julian felt badly that his testimony was invalid, he was disappointed that he couldn’t help his son in any way possible. Poor Richie, when wasn’t he let down!

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    sarah1997

    I’m on the last section of this book part 17 and this book got me really emotional and took me to a dark place that I don’t think I can ever escape from or forget.

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    sarah1997

    I am now officially done the book and I just am so speechless! All I can say is WHY? Excellent work and investigation! I pray that this book and blog will bring you success! I’m so sad I’m done this book! You 3 are truly amazing investors and an amazing team! I’m truly happy to come across this blog bless you 3 and you will forever and always have my support! Greta work just amazing! The risks you took wow you guys have guys truly admirable!

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      All done? So happy you enjoyed it, thank you for the support you give us.

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        sarah1997

        Yes I’m now officially done! thank you thank you once again! For all your hard work!! I know I keep thanking you guys but I can’t stop you guys deserve all the love and support and more! I will forever cherish this book! I hope and pray that one day the whole world will read this book and blog! Bless you 3!

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        Thank you, Sarah, you’re very kind.

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        sarah1997

        I still have questions so I’ll be continuing to engage in the discussion!

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        Good, you can ask whatever you like.

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        sarah1997

        I just wish we all had the answers to everything I hate that there’s a lot hidden to me when cops hide something it says a lot!

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        VenningB

        I am glad you enjoyed reading it! Thanks again!

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        sarah1997

        I should be the one to thank you guys! You guys truly did amazing! Never read book like this before the way it’s sectioned up and organized I love it!

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        ~ Jay ~

        That was Venning, and it does help immensely, making it easier to follow.

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        sarah1997

        Venning did absolutely an amazing job with the writing and drawing, indeed it was really easy to follow with the amount of information you guys got and without big and thick the book is you need to make it easier for readers and that’s exactly what you guys did it truly made it super easier for me to read and follow along! I lose my place in books a lot so this really helped! 😂 so thank you all 3 of you and venning I wish I could write as well as you!

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  42. Isabella 99 Avatar
    Isabella 99

    Yes..but what about the circumstancial evidence in the Pan case ? Allthough they all are doubtful somehow ..but the painted Pentagram.? This must have been someone who wanted to hang it on Richard ? Weird , weird ! Even when tis case did not go to trial there are Lots of odd things .Who did the writing on the wall ?

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      sarah1997

      tbh I don’t at all believe Richard did that crime, I do however believe that someone that Richard knew possibly did that pan crime! They never proved Richard gave solano the stolen good from the pans murder, and also finger print on the stolen pan property never belonged to Richard if I’m correct! So I believe someone that knew Richard and solano worked with solano to scrap goat Richard knowing that he loved that circle and star! That’s just my opinion tho haha

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        VenningB

        So, for Pan, it wasn’t Solano who had the stolen items from Pan. It was Armando. But that is assuming it really was the Pan’s stuff found with Armando. We only have Falzon’s word and we can’t even see his affidavit, not the grand jury evidence.

        There were no fingerprints on the Pans’ property at all. Not in the house or the ring and cufflinks supposedly found with Armando.

        This one does look bad for Richard. He knows two separate sets of criminals and both have the victims’ property and claim he gave it to them… Allegedly.

        That said, how do we know that Armando never came to Los Angeles? Perhaps he too had met Solano. I think it will have to remain a mystery.

        But yeah it would be easy to put pentagrams about the place as a decoy.

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        sarah1997

        Does it look bad for Richard cuz of the pentagrams only? This one is a bit confusing haha

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        VenningB

        Those and Falzon’s claims about Armando having the Pans cufflinks and ring

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      4. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        And Armando is someone Richard also knew!

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        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, they were friends.

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        sarah1997

        Maybe he gave Richard the stolen pan property?I don’t believe Richard did the crime but I do believe maybe he was a runner of the stolen goods or get away driver and someone that knew him possibly drew that pentagram!

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        ~ Jay ~

        Richard wasn’t found in possession of the Pan property. As he was indicted by grand jury for this crime, we don’t know what they actually had on him.

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        sarah1997

        That’s so ridiculous that they’re hiding such important things! The more they hide it such things it basically proves to me that they know Richard was innocent and they wanted him guilty so they did as you guys know what they did. This will sadly always remain a mystery

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        VenningB

        Also, we don’t even have Armando’s testimony. Falzon claims Armando said he received everything from Richard but I can’t find any evidence that Armando was called as a witness to the trial.

        So, Falzon could be talking about the grand jury. Which was one sided, so Armando and Falzon were never challenged by Richard’s legal team.

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      VenningB

      It makes me wonder… Did he travel there alone? Could he have gone with whoever did other attacks in the south? It’s all really strange.

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    sarah1997

    ahh I see, but omg that’s something that Richard’s legal team should have considered challenging them it really is making me mad that Richard sabotaged himself I totally understand his frustration and paranoia but still why?!

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      VenningB

      At a grand jury, Richard’s team wasn’t allowed to challenge the evidence. The defence lawyers are not supposed to be present. That’s what’s so unfair about it. The grand jury indicts a defendant based on evidence presented by the police with no defence.

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        sarah1997

        wtf?! No way how can this be allowed? How are they even supposed to prove his innocence then?! You have to hear both sides not just one! That’s So unfair I’m not so knowledgeable about law and court stuff but even Ik that this isn’t fair or how it should be! He truly I believe was railroaded no doubt about it! Isn’t it true that Richard also didn’t know some of the people whom testified on behalf of the prosecution so he didn’t as well know about what they have said about him or the evidence they had “against” him?

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        VenningB

        I think America is one of the few countries that still use grand juries. Medieval shit.

        Well, once they’re indicted, it goes to trial. So the defence will challenge the evidence and witnesses there. Think of the grand jury as an alternative to a preliminary hearing.

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        sarah1997

        America seriously has some work to do on their system cuz that’s just not what right at all, no wonder Richard had so much mistrust with them, eveything they did was just for their own purpose and their own gain! Didn’t Gil say it’s cuz of Richard I’m here for soemthing and without him I’m poor etc…. Forgot exactly what he said but something Along this line. Where do you or anyone see any other detectives making profit out of there case non! Even in documentaries you only see them once where Gil you see him eveything anywhere we can’t escape him, and now he’s playing a gangster in a movie?! And bragging about him hitting Richard?! 😒

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        VenningB

        Yes… No offence to Americans reading this comment, but your country is really weird!

        Yes Gil said that he’s basically just another “retired Hispanic fat cop” without Richard because it makes him a “somebody”

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        sarah1997

        Fat indeed but seriously he’s a the one that’s a nobody I don’t even believe him when he said Richard and him got along I mean maybe they did but I still don’t buy!

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        Vivi

        I doubt that they actually got along Richard was weary of everyone especially law enforcement. I think it’s just Carrillo’s pathetic attempt at making it seem like they were all buddy buddy. I remember hearing somewhere that he used gang jargon with Richard so that they can connect or whatever. He especially focuses on the time where Richard said “orale” to him. Why is consistently trying to get close to him at the same time as calling him a monster?

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        sarah1997

        Ya I never once believed that too he even claimed that not all cops are bad cops hahaha dude didn’t even hear him self when he said that he ain’t a good cop nor is he a good actor! When he said Richard said “orale” people looked at Carrillo and asked him omg is he threatening Carrillo is he (Richard) saying I’ll kill you? Wtf is wrong with people?! Just cuz a cop says something anything does mean it’s true! To me real monster was CARRILO AND HIS FOLLOWERS NOT RICHARD! I’m done and sick of seeing people call Richard a monster! After reading this book and blog people will find out who’s the real monsters but it ain’t Richard! This case kinda reminds me of my brain damaged uncle as well and he has to forever take anti-seizure meds too his wife who a jr Gil. He being abused along with my cousin from his wife and calling us the bad guys and few people are believing her! Idk how to save my baby cousins she threatened them that they are not to talk to me or my family! I miss my uncle and I want him back! 😢 so it really pisses me off how they took advantage of Richard my heart truly really breaks for Richard and I want to help him!

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      8. VenningB Avatar
        VenningB

        We have a commenter on here sometimes. She’s Italian but speaks Spanish. She thought the whole “he said Orale!” thing from Gil was laughable because it’s not really a street thing, it’s a regular thing Spanish speakers say all the time with multiple meanings depending on tone. He really likes to pretend they had a connection.

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        sarah1997

        That’s truly sickening that just proves we shouldn’t take GILs words seriously! That cop as a lot coming for him and I don’t mean that in a positive way. He thinks Richard and him were buddies so that we can believe that oh cuz they were buddies it’s very possible that Richard confessed to him so Gil must be saying the truth how can a cop lie? Give me a break ofc cops can lie and Gil is the biggest one!

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        Vivi

        I can’t speak for all Americans. But most of us can agree that our systems are shit and fractured. I think it’s mostly due to greedy and corrupt politicians and big companies. But that could just be the conspiracy theorist in me. Don’t even get me started on our politics lmao.

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        VenningB

        Someone needs to put money into reform. But seeing how unconcerned people seem about injustice, maybe it’s not something governments focus on. We have American friends who ignore this stuff while simultaneously pretending to be all about social justice. They blank us when we talk about Richard.

        And probably think we’re crazy.

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        Vivi

        People like that don’t really care about social justice—they’re just more interested in virtue signaling. This isn’t necessarily a judgment on your friends, but rather a broader observation about Americans. Many people march around with protest signs, but most of them don’t even understand what the movement they’re supporting is actually about. I find that a lot of social justice advocates in the U.S. are hypocritical and lazy. They’ll shout and protest, but when it comes to making real changes, they don’t follow through.

        In my opinion, true progress starts with electing the right people into government and preventing the bureaucracy from having too much control. The entire system needs major reforms, and certain practices, like the death penalty, should be done away with entirely. It’s frustrating, because sometimes I feel powerless in my ability to help those suffering, especially in my own country. Right now, the best I can do is try to educate others about the issues and encourage them to think critically about these problems.

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        VenningB

        Yes, I agree with this. A lot of them simply “protest” on Facebook, sitting there, swilling wine and preaching. They never take action, write something, investigate. It’s all to look good and “progressive”.

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        Vivi

        I’m glad that at least one person agrees with me. I actually tend to remove myself from involvement in social movements. I find them to be incredibly draining to be in and the people are incredibly hypocritical and uneducated about their own cause. I know I sound like a hypocrite sitting here typing on my laptop. But the only thing I can do right now is talk to people as I don’t have resources for anything else.

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        VenningB

        Lol also I was watching a documentary last night about the LA County Sheriff’s Department and Gil popped up in a police group photo! No escape!

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        sarah1997

        That’s dude is literally everywhere! It’s like he’s telling us who’s against him he’s watching us! He’s really wants to himself a big name and have a legacy to me it seems! I call him the Pinocchio cop.

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        sarah1997

        Also one of my fave paranormal investigators went to ceil hotel for Elisa lam and ofc Richard was mentioned 😖

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        Vivi

        I can’t for the life of me figure out that is logical let alone Constitutional in anyway. I know an indictment is not the same as a conviction. But in Richard’s case if there is even a possibility of his connection to any crime. Then people will conclude that he committed thanks to the disaster of a trial in LA county.

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        VenningB

        Exactly. He had no chance of getting away from the Pan crime. Especially because they planned to use LA evidence in the trial!

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        Vivi

        I find myself wishing that the SF trail actually went to trial so that the flaws in the LA trial were revealed. I know that this kind of thinking is toxic, but so much was hidden back then and this would’ve been one of the only ways to make the truth come out.

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  44. sarah1997 Avatar
    sarah1997

    omg did anyone of you guys know that the song smooth criminal by MJ is about Richard?? wtf 😓

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      VenningB

      Jay told me that a while ago… It kind of makes sense lol
      Jacko probably wanted to look like him 🤣

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        sarah1997

        It’s so crazy tho! And no way he wanted to look like him?!ll 😂

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      pinkwrath

      i heard that long time ago but I did some research and it’s not about Richard

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        sarah1997

        Ohhh really?! Hmmm interesting I wonder who its about or what its about.

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        pinkwrath

        well google says is a fictional story and about the famous “Annie are you okay?” it says that Annie is the name that people use for the CPR dummies used in training.

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        sarah1997

        Ahhh ok I see. Thnx for letting me know!

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    Isabella 99

    Fact s ? The fact s are that there always seems to be a PRO and a CONTRA that Richard had done any of the crimes. I think its getting more snd more frustrating…Besides ..Amando and Richard were no angels..! Yes Richards conduct disorder which he showed in a very young age was severe…He should have gone to a special school of education where he learned social behaviour and social Strategies.to fullfill the demands of social life ..I must say that it s too easy to blame the parents ..I have read that 50 times now in this blog ..Yes , Richard loved his parents ,probably in a neurotic way like most of us. The epigenetics of his family concerned everyone of the Ramirez ! Richard was a charismatic boy who could not be conditionalised so easily to fullfill the demands of Sociéty nor could ve be trivialisized as easy as others due to his complicated Temperament and his experiences with Epilepsie. Texas Youth Council failed to keep on ‘ Monitoring him when he was 16..! Concerning the Pan case there is no proof that Armando got the stolen goods from Richard .

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      VenningB

      In Falzon’s book, he alleged that Armando was also in a “Satanic cult” so it makes me wonder why Armando wasn’t a suspect. Although none of their friends ever said Armando was into that stuff. Falzon is probably as full of shit as Carrillo.

      Maybe Richard had a “trauma bonding” thing with his parents. A Stockholm syndrome type of thing. He absolutely needed help to find himself, to be medicated, to have a creative outlet. If only someone put him on an art course or helped him find work as a karate instructor. I remember that was one of the TYC’s suggestions.

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        Vivi

        I truly believe he had immense potential as an artist. After seeing his drawings, it was clear that he not only had talent but also a deep passion for it. His art seemed to be a way for him to express himself when words or other forms of communication fell short. It’s heartbreaking to think that he had so much potential, yet no one was there to help nurture or guide him in that direction.

        Even if he never became famous or changed the world, I believe that with the right support and guidance from a competent adult, he could have led a decent and comfortable life. It’s a tragedy that no one stepped in to help him channel that creativity into something positive.

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        VenningB

        Yeah, he wasn’t bad. I’ve seen people laughing at his drawings but they had potential. He needed some good shading pencils lol. Of course, he wasn’t allowed them in prison but he could have done decent shit.
        A lot of his drawings are very cute, not what you’d expect of a ‘killer.’

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        Vivi

        I believe I heard that later in life, when Richard needed glasses, they were frequently taken away as a form of punishment. (Though don’t quote me on that.) If that’s true, I wouldn’t be surprised if it impacted his ability to write and draw effectively. But honestly, I don’t think you need to be a Da Vinci to possess artistic talent. Art is subjective, and even simple expressions can hold great meaning and skill.
        On a lighter note, I’d be curious to see the artistic efforts of those who criticize him. It’s easy to judge someone’s work from the sidelines, but creating art is a different story. I found his Hello Kitty and Spongebob drawings quite charming—there was an innocence and simplicity in them that was really endearing.

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        VenningB

        Yes, he said they were taken in his letters. And his writting was bigger later on because he couldn’t see well. Plus he never got to read in natural light.
        My friend did a really good drawing with just lines on MS Paint once. She put the hands on the wrong way round, but she captured the subject’s likeness as well as any of my shaded drawings (I occasionally dabble in art).

        I love how he drew women, often the feet were more detailed than the faces haha

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        Vivi

        You’re the one who created the cover art for the book, right? If so, I definitely wouldn’t call that just “dabbling.” When I first got the book, I spent a good ten minutes just admiring the cover—the colors, the composition—it’s absolutely stunning. That level of artistry takes a great deal of skill, talent, and creativity.

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        VenningB

        Yeah I did. Weirdly I totally forgot I did the cover. (Can you be senile in your 30s??!!) Thanks! I normally use pastels but the cover is pencil then enhanced on a photo editor.

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        Vivi

        Lol can you be senile in your 20’s?! I carry so much shit around in my brain that I’m bound to forget something. Your cover is far better than the covers of the other books written about Richard. It unique,creative, and not jarring. I have Carlo’s book in my book self facing towards my bed and sometimes it feels like Richard’s staring into my soul. It’s not that Richard himself is creepy, but the image with the red and black coloring looks weird at night.

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        Vivi

        If he had a cane they would take that away as well to “punish” him. That’s really fucked up. Wearing glasses is not a disability. But forcing someone to go without them for a long period of time without any form of natural writing, could lead to vision loss.

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        VenningB

        They basically took away his eyes. It feels like it should be a human rights violation.

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        Vivi

        The urge to buy Falzon’s book and see what shit he said on Richard is really tempting. But I’m probably going to do it anyways like I did with Carlo. It might be a waste of my money. But at least I’ll be informing myself on the claims and falsehoods surrounding Richard.

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        VenningB

        I had to do it too. These police are so braggy.

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        Vivi

        Lol it’s a vicious toxic cycle!

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        Yeah.. I have the book, too. I haven’t read it yet.

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        Vivi

        Regarding the issue of Stockholm Syndrome and “trauma bonding” with his parents, it’s important to consider the influence of traditional values in his upbringing. In households that emphasize such values, it’s often highly frowned upon to fully distance oneself from family, no matter the circumstances. Even though Richard left home at a young age, he still kept ties with his mother and some of his siblings, likely because of the cultural belief that family is to be maintained at all costs. Breaking away completely is extremely difficult in environments where so much has gone wrong within the family, especially when cultural expectations pressure you to stay connected.

        From observing the people he surrounded himself with in LA and San Francisco, it’s clear that Richard struggled to form strong, healthy relationships. His family, despite their issues, were likely the only ones who knew even a fraction of what he had gone through. It’s natural to gravitate toward those with some connection to you, even if that connection is a painful one. And we can’t forget that back then, people didn’t have the same resources or options to leave abusive homes and live independently. The idea of cutting off toxic family ties is more accepted and achievable today, but that wasn’t the case for many people in the past. The lack of support systems and societal judgment made it nearly impossible for someone in Richard’s situation to fully separate and build a life away from those who contributed to his trauma.

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        VenningB

        I know someone whose parents are unloving. The mother is psychologically abusive. But well into her 50s, she is still desperate to impress her mother, despite the constant putdowns. Any criticism of the mother from others is met with an angry defence.

        I think we have it drummed into us from a young age that our parents raised us and are special and to speak against them is almost blasphemous.

        Even today, people struggle to understand those who have gone no-contact with parents, especially mothers because of the way society worships the concept of parenthood. Others who haven’t been abused cannot fathom someone wanting to escape their parents for good.

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        Vivi

        I recently watched a video on the School of Life YouTube channel titled “How Unloving Parents Generate Self-Hating Children.” The video focused on how early negative treatment by parental or guardian figures can deeply affect a child, leading them to feel inadequate and unworthy. As children, we often cannot conceive of the idea that our parents are capable of wrongdoing. We see them as all-powerful, benevolent beings, and this perception is difficult to shake because we simply don’t have the emotional or mental tools to question them. We’re also physically and emotionally dependent on them, unable to argue or walk away because we lack the resources—money, connections, or even a place to go. In many ways, we’re trapped, and at the total mercy of our parents.

        When a parent scolds or abuses a child, instead of seeing the fault in the parent, the child internalizes the blame. They don’t think, “My parent is wrong.” Instead, they wonder, “What is wrong with me that makes them treat me this way?” They search for flaws within themselves to justify the abuse. I can’t say with certainty whether this is what happened to your friend or to Richard, but it’s undeniable that the way we are treated by our parents profoundly shapes who we become as adults. Children have a natural tendency to forgive their parents, even when hurt, because they assume their parents are doing their best. But when that relationship is filled with constant criticism or emotional abuse, it leaves lasting scars.

        Mindful parenting, as well as open communication, are key to breaking this cycle. Parents often want their children to reflect their own values or ideas, but children aren’t robots; they are complex human beings who interact with both their internal world and the external environment. No matter how much you try to mold them, they will ultimately become their own person.

        While I don’t have children of my own, I can sympathize with parents who face difficult circumstances, such as poverty, like Richard’s parents did. However, despite their hardships, Richard’s parents seemed dismissive and uncommunicative, not just with him but with all of their children, even Ignacio. The toxic family dynamics, especially the authoritarian approach of Julian Sr., created an environment where fear ruled rather than respect. Children might comply for a while, but eventually, they will find a way to escape or detach themselves emotionally, as many of the Ramirez children did.

        I find it interesting that you mentioned your friend being defensive of her mother despite the abuse she’s endured. It reminds me of how Richard refused to let his family testify on his behalf during his trial—he preferred death to exposing them to public scrutiny. From the outside, this might seem irrational, but once you understand the family dynamics and his emotional background, it makes more sense. Over time, the negative things people said about him—being lazy, a bad seed, or useless—likely became internalized. He began to believe those things about himself, which suppressed whatever potential he had. His emotions became bottled up, and he withdrew from society, becoming a loner.

        His struggles with mental illness only made these issues worse. Eventually, he became so isolated that crime seemed like the only way to survive. Despite everything, I imagine it must have been a lonely existence for him. He didn’t have anyone he could truly rely on for support. And when his legal troubles began, almost everyone he knew turned against him, pointing fingers and selling his story to the media, cementing his reputation for years to come.

        It’s heartbreaking to think about the layers of trauma and societal expectations that can keep people trapped in toxic family cycles. Many people who haven’t experienced abuse simply can’t understand why someone would want to cut ties with their parents. But as you mentioned, society tends to worship the concept of parenthood, making it harder for people to empathize with those who’ve had to make that difficult choice.

        One of the most effective ways to address this issue as an adult is by seeking the perspective of an external source, such as a therapist, trusted friend, or mentor. These outside voices can offer a fresh view, helping to step back from the emotional entanglement and gradually unravel the deep-seated feelings of inadequacy and unworthiness. However, at the end of the day, the individual must make the choice to acknowledge the reality of their situation and take action to remove themselves from harmful environments. Sadly, we cannot make that choice for them—change is ultimately a personal decision.

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      Vivi

      The Texas Youth Commission (TYC) did the absolute bare minimum for Richard and essentially cast him aside. He wasn’t a perfect person, but then again, are any of us? I always believe that everyone has an intrinsic responsibility for their own survival and well-being, but Richard faced so many obstacles with little to no support. In his own words, he “survived the best [he] could.” It’s hard for me to even imagine living with the multitude of issues and illnesses he had to endure. Life dealt him one of the worst hands imaginable.

      I know it often sounds like I’m justifying his actions or behaviors, but there’s a constant pendulum in my mind that swings between feeling like I defend him too much and feeling like I don’t defend him enough. Based on my own experiences and everything we know about Richard, I truly don’t believe he was the “monster” that people have made him out to be. He was deeply flawed, sure, but so are many people. I acknowledge that there are things we may never fully know or understand about his life and this case. However, until there’s undeniable evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt any of the claims that have been made against him, I simply won’t accept them.

      This case has taught me to apply that standard of doubt in other areas of my life as well—to question, to seek the truth, and to not jump to conclusions. I find myself both empathizing with Richard and feeling an overwhelming sense of frustration and anger over the way this whole situation was handled. It pisses me off more than anything I’ve ever encountered. The more I think about the complexities of his life and the way the system treated him, the more upset I get. Yet, at the same time, I can’t help but feel sympathy for someone who was so clearly lost and overwhelmed by forces beyond his control. It’s a difficult balance, but it’s one I continue to grapple with.

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    Vivi

    LMAO I find it hilarious that I can write a whole essay for a comment on here with ease. But die writing a paper for college.

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      sarah1997

      hahaha cuz this topic is more interesting than a school paper 😂

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        Vivi

        It’s also because Venning, Jay, and Kaycee explain things better than my professors and they are not even paid to do it.

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        sarah1997

        Exactly that’s why I admire them so much! We need more people like them!

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    sarah1997

    It angers me that the TYC did nothing to help him they failed him as well! He clearly wanted help! I really admire Richard that he didn’t want to expose his family etc…. It really shows he truly loved them despite his family dynamics! His case really felt like poor vs rich.

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      Vivi

      I just looked it up and the TYC system was actually abolished around 2011. It started with the discovery of extensive sexual abuse claims among other claims in 2007, which had occurred across multiple decades. The institutions in this system were notorious for having under qualified staff and were understaffed and underfunded. “Senate Bill 653 was passed in 2011 in response to this , abolishing the TYC and establishing the Texas Juvenile Justice Department (TJJD).” So the TJJD took over the TYC system. I won’t make the assumption that Richard was abused while he was there. But I can conclude that they were not giving him the care he needed nor making a proper effort to rehabilitate him. The fact that their dysfunctional practices continued for so long indicates to me that it was equally as dysfunctional or more when Richard was there.

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        VenningB

        Why does that not surprise me…
        In the UK, you hear a lot of stories of care home abuse, boarding school abuse and so on. It is the same everywhere… disgusting.

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        Vivi

        You have to be a especially sick individual to take advantage of vulnerable populations like minors. The only reason why it got so much exposure is because “important people” were involved in the abuse. They are part of the reason why people don’t go to these places. These types of people afraid of being taken advantage of at the lowest points in their lives.

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        Vivi

        Honestly, researching about it made me feel sick. Those children were completely at the mercy of these people who were supposed to help them get their lives together. Human beings can be monsters.

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        sarah1997

        That’s so sad I’m about to cry poor Richard and anyone in his situation

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        mysticpolicef616ca1b1a

        D’après ce que j’ai lu et ce que j’en ai compris le TYC aidait faute de moyens les jeunes qui étaient rehabilitables, les autres étaient laissés sur le côté.

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        ~ Jay ~

        Yes, those who assessed Richard said he had potential.

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    Isabella 99

    Yes , everything s right…unfortunately both , his father and his mother had a very hard and unhappy upbringing in poverty , his father was beaten heavily too by his father , Richards grandfather.His mother Mercedes also had very hard times in childhood and youth ..and both parents had just minimal education from school . Their Start in living plus Integration to fifties USA without speaking the language must have been an enourmous challenge , plus all their cultural mexican heritage they had taken with them .. Richard sure had sensed and felt how hard they struggle without understanding much . Philp Carlo described all this very detailed in his book .I m just thinking about how young Richard was when he got arrested …The Pan case ..no I dont think there is enough evidence ..when there is no proof that it really were things from the Pans ! When police there needed a serialkiller then they could easily pin it on him .

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      VenningB

      It seems like the family had a generational chain of beating sons and no one knew how to break that chain. I hope Richard’s brothers managed to stop that cycle with their own kids.

      With Pan, my partner said he would not vote to convict him based on the current circumstantial evidence. Because the police in San Francisco had received all the information from the killer from Los Angeles and had lost the ability to be objective. He no longer trusts police. So for him, if he was on the jury, he’d cause a hung jury.

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    Isabella 99

    School papers , University papers..hahaha ! Same Same..!

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    Isabella 99

    No , the inverted pentagramm could have have been drawn by anyone ! Also Church oder Satan only 4 miles away from the Pan house ? That s also not enough to be used as evidence . Richard went to San Fransico on a regular basis ..So thats not unusual him beeing there at the time of the crime. I had wrongly thought they had found a saliver sample there , but that I confused with this guy named Potts sample. So they had only assumptions , not at all facts ! Actually its absolutely nothing . I think they should have exsmined the Pentagram and the Jack the Ripper writing much more closely . Plus : when there is no proof that its the Pan property that Armando had its also nothing they could use. Only yesterday I ve read some comments on YouTube which said that he killed much more people than 14 , and this shows how deep those allegations still are. And those were quite new comments.

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      ~ Jay ~

      Yes, the Church of Satan was very close to the Pan house, we can be assured that Richard was not the only Satanist in town.

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        sarah1997

        also I’m im correct Richard wasn’t a part of any satanic cults just cuz you’re a Santanist doesn’t mean you will doing bad things or part of a cult, didn’t he also admit that he and friend long ago in his childhood witness something and he was really scared? I feel like people use “Satan” as an excuse for eveything at least in this case.

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        VenningB

        Yeah I think he was an adult when he was scared by a situation in which he claimed a lamp moved on its own

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        ~ Jay ~

        Yeah, that was in the statement Mercedes gave. She said he asked her to pray for him; hardly a Satanic request.

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        sarah1997

        Exactly so I don’t think or believe at all he was a true Satanist I think he was just fascinated by it which doesn’t necessarily mean he was a true satanist in my opinion. And most of his “friends” said he was very jumpy as in scares easy so a lot of the claims Gil has said about Richard doesn’t at all add up to who Richard really was.

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      5. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        People will label any new found religion or belief system a cult nowadays. I don’t know much about Satanism so I won’t talk much on it. But I don’t think they mainly focused on rebelling from traditional authority and societal norms. I have know several people who have turned to sects of Satanism and “cults” due to religious trauma from the faith they were brought up in and feeling repressed and controlled. I don’t think cults are inherently bad. The world is a ever-changing place and people’s beliefs are changing with it. The main religions and belief systems may not accommodate all these new beliefs. But when being in a cult causes a person to isolate completely from all of society and jump headlong into paranoia. That is when it becomes a problem. Such as the Jonestown Cult, which do give cults a bad reputation. Each one should be looked at objectively as well as subjectively. After all there people who done some really screwed up things in the name of religions like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, ect.

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        sarah1997

        Exactly I totally agree! I hate when people blame any religion on someone’s actions any religion including satanist it has nothing to do with religion at all people need to chill the hell out!

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      7. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        They use religion as a sort of shield to protect them against criticism. But the people that actually follow that religion are the one’s that get all the abuse.

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      8. sarah1997 Avatar
        sarah1997

        Exactly I mean look what the media did to Richard and this crazy satanic panic shit was hyped up and with Richard’s beliefs it was hard for them not to blame him

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    2. Vivi Avatar
      Vivi

      Those people that make those claims on Youtube are just herds of sheep who are incapable of practicing critical thinking and doing their own research. They eat up and then regurgitate everything said by people like Carrillo, Salerno, Falzon, and what is written in Carlo’s book. I don’t trust or give any attention to their claims. I don’t even try to converse with them anymore. It’s kind of sad honestly.

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        ~ Jay ~

        I know exactly what you mean. I tried last night with a woman who runs a fangirl account. Someone had mentioned his mental health issues and she went nuts, saying he had no mental problems. I backed up the other commenter on it.
        The fangirls do so much to muddy already contaminated waters; their version of him is psycho bad boy.. but “we love him”.
        There is not much point talking to them.

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      2. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        It’s hard when you know so much about something. But you can’t express it because other people are not willing to listen.

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        ~ Jay ~

        She waffled on about it being a government conspiracy (as if the US government wants his mental condition talked about) and lies.
        I give up.

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      4. Vivi Avatar
        Vivi

        You can not tell me that they thought this man was completely mentally healthy!? If you look at clip of Richard with chains breathing and swaying erratically in the courtroom. That does not look like someone who is in the right state of mind. I wouldn’t doubt that they make those edits of him. So they should’ve seen it at least once.

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