Man-Child

“His self-image is fragile and vulnerable, as well as unrealistic. He has a lot of angry feelings and a great deal of mistrust toward others. This combination of factors is also part of a very self-destructive pattern”.

Declaration of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

Forensic Psychologist Anne Evans, PhD, was formally retained as an expert defence witness in 1991 as part of the Pan trial. We have covered her report in several POSTS already; it’s a large document.

Although she was working for the defence, her exasperation, and at times, hostility, percolate throughout the 35-page report. Ramirez was found guilty, and in the eyes of Anne Evans, there were no grounds for reasonable doubt. Her perception of his lack of remorse and “bizarre and psychotic” ranting, including (in her words) the “scary” Satanic overtones, at the time of his sentencing, was to her, proof of his mental impairment, rather than his perception, that he was railroaded; the death penalty a foregone conclusion whatever he said. Both views are valid in this particular circumstance.


In 1991, Ramirez found himself with excellent and competent lawyers; unlike his 1985-89 experience, the new attorneys were prepared to do everything they could to help with his defence; their primary obstruction in performing their duties was Richard himself. He was still unable and unwilling to try and help himself, often sabotaging their efforts on his behalf.

He cannot be blamed entirely for his irrational behaviour; he did have reasons to mistrust following the disaster of the LA trial and the betrayal by everyone around him. His San Francisco lawyers bore the brunt of the fallout from LA, as he made work impossible for them without considering (or understanding) how detrimental these actions could be to himself.

Report of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

Realistically, his attorneys knew there was no possibility of his ever being able to either testify or rationally challenge witnesses and potential evidence against him; the ability to process information or to coherently respond was severely immobilised. Richard’s level of paranoia, mistrust and lousy judgement grew to such a level that all his lawyers, at one point or another, had to run the gauntlet of psychotic and unreasonable behaviour.


Explosion

Ramirez really liked Dorothy Bischoff, one of his defence lawyers, but he didn’t trust her, requesting that she not write down any information he gave her. In 1994, she informed Richard that she was going to El Paso to speak to his family, and according to Evans, he told Bischoff that she could only go “as my girlfriend, but not as my lawyer”. She went anyway, and when he discovered what she’d done, he went on a tirade, screaming, pacing and yelling, his rant making absolutely no sense to anyone.  

Rather than focusing on his case, Ramirez would become distracted by Bischoff and what she was wearing, preferring to try and flirt with her instead of paying attention to the proceedings in the courthouse.  

“Mr. Ramirez has shown a consistent pattern of delusional attempts to block his own attorneys’ communications with other counsel by trying to require each attorney to communicate only with him. Each is constantly tested and any violation of this procedure was, and is, considered disloyalty.”

Report of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

Co-counsel for the defence, Daro Inouye, felt the full force of Ramirez’s delusions and paranoia – Inouye likened him to a child, stating that Richard was unable to hold a thought in his head for a moment before switching to another topic.

In what was probably a vulnerable moment, Richard revealed some information about his background to Inouye and seemingly regretted it. He banned his besieged attorney from sitting near him, saying he “knew too much”, and refused to speak to him upon discovering that Inouye had done some investigative work for Lieutenant Kennedy from the Sheriff’s Office, who had the office next door. He felt sure they were collaborating against him, his mind linking “Deputy Public Defender” and “Police Deputy” as one and the same.

 He told Anne Evans, “They’re deputies- they’re police!-They work for the court. They work hand-in-hand. It’s all a game to them.”

He was out of control and potentially explosive; Inouye described his experiences with Ramirez as “volcanic”, while Michael Burt, another defence attorney, likened him to a “trapped animal” whilst in that state. Burt mentions a “verbal panic”, destroying his ability to follow his attorneys’ efforts to communicate with him.

On one such occasion, Burt tried to explain to Richard that he couldn’t keep having all his “girlfriends” clogging up the jailhouse because it was causing issues with security; they needed extra guards in the hall. This led to yet another diatribe featuring conspiracy theories and betrayals. His poor lawyers must’ve been glad to get home!

Ramirez was convinced that Michael Burt, who was diligently working on his behalf, was colluding with the attorney general, denying him his rights and doing “backdoor deals”. He also sent letters accusing him of working for the prosecution because he couldn’t understand why they wished to discuss the evidence with him. Why would they do that unless they worked for the other “team”? Richard’s refusal to talk about the LA crimes, or the San Francisco one, led him to more conflict with Public Defender Randall Martin.

Some examples of behaviors the numerous professionals who have attempted to help Mr. Ramirez have been subjected to include: banging on the walls, screaming and yelling, volatile nonsensical rantings, arm flailing, constant body motion and angry, paranoid tirades“.

Report of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

One thing that I find interesting is that Ramirez didn’t appear to have worn heavy-duty restraints when he was with his lawyers; he’s flailing his arms, pacing, screaming and throwing tantrums. Surely if Richard was handcuffed and chained to the floor or wearing leg restraints, he wouldn’t be free enough to do that, and the tone from each of his attorneys is laced with exasperation, frustration and disbelief; not fear. The lawyer meeting occurs in a room, not behind plexiglass in a cage; that’s how Cindy Haden was physically close enough to “kiss and fondle” him. Ramirez wasn’t trussed up in a straight jacket and delivered on a sack truck to his defence counsel, like Hannibal Lecter, complete with a bite mask.

Of course, guards were outside the room, but no one felt it necessary to put him in cuffs and no one appears to have called for assistance, even when he was “volcanic”.
The lawyers compare the angry screams of the Night Stalker to those of a thwarted child.


Self-Destruction

Randall Martin, an extremely successful attorney from the Public Defenders Office, came to loggerheads with Ramirez after travelling to Texas to gather information pertinent to the case. After an irrational verbal assault against Martin, Ramirez declared that none of the gathered data would ever be used in his defence. Once again, this demonstrates that he would rather receive another guilty verdict than involve his family in his defence. He refused to accept Martin’s superior knowledge of what was best for him.

Randall Martin told Evans that although Ramirez “very much wanted to live”, he stubbornly blocked any attempt to contact his family.  To his credit, Martin told him that he would work to save his life even without his help. 

Richard threatened him: “I know how to remove you!” And later, he did just that. Richard filed a Marsden motion to remove Martin from his counsel; the threat was a legal one, not a “Night Stalker” one.

The client-attorney relationship finally imploded due to one Cindy Haden, who and what she was to Ramirez is discussed HERE; her manipulations causing the increasingly paranoid mind of Richard to go into overdrive. Finally he decided Martin was working with the judge and had designs to “Do him [Ramirez] in”. He verbally abused him in a series of hysterical, name-calling and psychotic phone messages.

“Unable to maintain or understand boundaries, he had distorted his relationship with Mr. Martin by projecting his own psychotic thought processes onto him. Because Mr. Ramirez was unable to focus on anything other than his own emotions and persecutory beliefs, he could not stay in reality. He also exhibited extremely poor judgment about other people and their motives. He was totally unable to appreciate that Mr. Martin was working for him to try to save his life”.

Report of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

Randall Martin ceased to work on his case.

A former appellate lawyer described him as a “child in an adult’s body”, frustrated beyond belief when Ramirez (who respected him) refused to listen to advice and appeared on the Maury Povich show, oblivious to the damage this could cause his case.

“The defendant was so lacking in rationality and judgment that he could not grasp that he was saying “crazy” things. He also had no awareness that he was irrationally obsessed with his own notoriety- in favor of and to the detriment of his legal proceedings. He had no understanding of cause and effect with regard to his actions or verbalizations. When the lawyer tried to explain to Mr. Ramirez that he had been manipulated by women trying to sell their stories about the defendant, his only reaction was one of upset at the lawyer for suggesting such a thing”.

Report of Anne Evans, document 16-7.

Richard

Richard’s cognitive deficiencies rendered him incapable of working with his attorneys. He couldn’t concentrate, articulate, or assist with his own defence. The legalities surrounding his precarious position seemed to hold no fear or importance, and he was unable to participate in the machinations of the court. Although he understood the finality of the multiple death sentences handed down to him, he believed it would never actually happen.

To the frustration of his defence counsel, other matters entirely took up his focus. He spent his time (when he wasn’t abusing his lawyers) obsessing over his phone privileges, books, money and girlfriends.
This may seem petty and ridiculous when weighing that up against the death penalty, but to Richard, perhaps this was his last vestige of control. He couldn’t control the outcome of the LA trial, nor could he control the result of the San Francisco one – eventually stayed indefinitely due to his incompetence to be tried.

When your world is narrowed to four small walls, when everything is taken away, and all you have left are phone calls, letters, books and people visiting you and maybe even talking about you, it isn’t hard to understand why these things matter so much. Especially as he had valid reasons for having little faith in the justice system.


Perhaps Evans should have recognised that in her understanding of his mental instabilities.

Ramirez with Daro Inouye and Randall Martin, San Francisco.

~ Jay ~

(Originally written and published 10th Jan 2024}

121 responses to “Man-Child”

  1. Although this article was frustrating to read, the common sense was telling me it would be like this before reading. His “childlikeness” was showing itself in everything he did. Let’s, for example, look at his letters: let alone that they were strange or bizarre (I would be a little (maybe even not a little) upset, if I was a “girlfriend”, wrote him a letter and got an answer-letter like that). I’ve read like hundred letters on one Tumblr blog. Was i read souch? The thing that captured my mind was that they are always the same no matter what year they’re written in. Seriously, no matter if it was written in 1986 or 2006 nothing changed in his mind, in 20+ years. The tone, structure, subjects and the most important- mind didn’t change in 20+ years. He stayed the same child. It’s just not healthy.

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    1. I understand what you’re saying, although his world, his experiences stopped (in reality) in 1985. He had nothing else to draw upon, no life experiences, and little stimulation (apart from the semi-naked pics). Social skills, social clues, must have become a thing of the past, and his brain, already under developed through head injuries, epilepsy, lack of medication, etc, doesn’t seem to have progressed. Imagine spending 23 out of 24 hours a day locked in that tiny cell? At least he had books, without those he could have been so much worse. Sometimes he could be very amusing, and quite dry.
      He sounds an absolute nightmare for his lawyers! His defence counsel hired a private investigator and he found a woman who had known him in LA, she was a friend, or something, and they wanted her to testify. She agreed, but when he found out he called her and banned her from meeting up with this investigator. She called and cancelled.. He did it all the time, it’s like he couldn’t stop himself.

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      1. It’s clearly not a behaviour of an adequate person. Sometimes he seemed really crazy – like who in their solid mind would care about cindy, who she ” interacts” with, when you 19 death sentences in front of your nose?? That cindy was scarier than all his serial killer carrier. I would never care honestly. And sometimes he seemed attracted to his “Monster Murderer” I’ll image, because it brought him popularity amongst women. It’s just not a healthy brain.

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      2. I think he knew, in the most part, why so many women were writing to him; they wanted the “Night Stalker”, so he gave them what they wanted, and expected of him – “Death Row Romeo”.

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      3. I had that feeling too.

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      4. I just updated this post, an interesting thought occurred to me; in that even when he’s throwing tantrums, he’s not restrained. He’s not in cuffs or leg restraints, and not behind glass. The lawyers are frustrated, but they don’t seem terrified.

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      5. I think You’re right.

        If now we talk about “intuition” and “guts” and it can serve as an argument, I would have that kind of feelings too. I would be angry at him, if I was his lawyer, not terrified at him. Ramirez simply doesn’t have that “murderer” energy to me.

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      6. From my standpoint, and after everything I’ve read from the moment of his arrest until his death, there’s no violent behaviour towards the numerous professionals assigned to help him. He’s banging walls, yes, but he’s not going for them. Tynan, when there were security concerns in court, said “I’m not bothered about him”. The bailiffs confirmed they hadn’t seen any violent behaviour, either, although they’d beaten him in that unprovoked attack. The assessment of the attorneys interests me.

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      7. Yes, that speak a lot.

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  2. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    I understand when you say that he didn’t resort to violence in these instances, but my question is about his brother. He stated that Ramirez attacked a guard, and broke his arm, and they beat him over that. This occurred in a holding cell, I think. Anyways, who do you believe? I am not sure, but , from the things I read, I have to side with Richard and say he really had no violent tendencies. It gets a bit confusing when you hear different things.

    I would also have to say that I could see my patience wearing thin, even if he did have brain damage. But, I would still have tried to have saved his life, as any proper defense lawyers would have (I’m looking at you, Hernandi) lol.

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    1. I have heard about that incident, too, although I take what the brothers say with a pinch of salt, especially Robert. I think he’d be physically capable given provocation; but I would want to see proper evidence and a report. One thing this has taught me is to disregard “hearsay”, until a reliable source appears. In a holding cell I imagine he’d be handcuffed? He knew how to fight, he’d have to know how, given the circumstances of his life. But as far back as his TYC days, he rarely (if ever) started one unprovoked. If he was provoked? He was a large man..so it’s of course possible he could inflict damage.
      My comments were concerning the legal and other professionals (specifically in this context) who came into close contact with him.
      It’s their impression of him I am interested in, and how he behaved around them.
      All of his lawyers, post-conviction were good at their jobs, the conflicts with him were probably a nightmare.

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      1. Yes Robert is the only one who makes strange claims regarding violence, like karate chopping or strangling (can’t remember which) large police dogs and Richard apparently injuring his karate Sensei. Ramirez was never prosecuted for injuring a police dog in front of the officer! I do keep in mind that in his declaration, Robert claims to have a diagnosis of schizophrenia so he’s not a reliable witness. You never know if it’s a delusion.

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      2. And the less said about that brother and cats the better..

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      3. These stories from him and his daughter really make things worse for Ramirez and the rest of their family. They portray them as freaks.

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      4. Not that it could get much worse, really. 😬

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      5. None of Richard’s acquaintances from El Paso said he was an animal killer. But we know one did say Robert killed cats. And Richard had a dog named “princess. ” How could someone with a dog named princess hurt animals? Haha! Ok-the last line is a joke-but I did really hear he had a dog named princess.

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      6. I believe very little of what Robert has said in recent years. I think Shelley feeds him things to say. I have it on good authority that he suffers from dementia.

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    2. I think Richard was likely handcuffed most of the time, except when he was in an LA court room. But not because he was actively violent but because of law enforcements perception of him. From the information I have found regarding life on death row in San Quentin, prisoners are handcuffed at all times when they are out of their cell and escorted by one guard if they are on “regular “death row, like East Block. Whereas if they are in the Adjustment Center they are handcuffed and escorted by two guards.

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  3. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    Yes, I understand about your concern with how he dealt with people in direct contact with him, and also how he, the brother, could have appeared delusional with some of his claims. That thought crossed my mind, as well.

    It’s all very interesting. Thanks for the reply back.

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    1. Thanks for taking the time to read and leave comments, it’s good to discuss these things and we appreciate it.

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  4. “They work hand-in-hand. It’s all a game to them.” And if you think of Manny Barraza, who brought him into contact with the Hernandezes, his perception (again) was not that wrong. Barraza was a lawyer who later changed the sides and became a judge, only to end up in prison for bribery. He asked and accepted money and sexual favors from women who wanted him to influence the outcome of their cases.

    “Although he understood the finality of the multiple death sentences handed down to him, he believed it would never actually happen.”

    And again he was right. It was sufficient to keep his appeals running.
    As you already know, to me he wasn’t that “crazy” and his perceptions and his views on the world were often just on point.

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    1. Yes, I mentioned Barraza in my last post, and one before that. If you read what I said, you see I explain his perceptions were different to Evans, and the reason why. Martin and Inouye are not like Barraza, who was only helping himself through selling Richard’s story. Although I do say why he had reasons not to trust attorneys, because of LA, the point of this post is showing his relationship with his attorneys in San Francisco and their experiences of him.
      His appeals were kept running by the State and there was a massive backlog, the named lawyers in this are his Pan lawyers, they’re not working his appeal, the appellate isn’t named.

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      1. Yes, I know all that. I was just talking about legal professions generally, that people working in legal professions can change the sides without any problems (and apparently without any scruples). Barraza was only an example. In 1985 Richard of course couldn’t know that he would later become a judge (and a corrupt one).
        I know also that his appeals were running and that his SF lawyers had nothing to do with that. I just said that Richard was right when he thought or said that he wouldn’t be executed. He probably knew how long appeals usually take. They say he was incompetent because he cared more about selling his story and about his girlfriends and phone rights etc. than about his life. And I say, that was not that crazy. He just lived every day without planning anything for the future. Totally understandable in his situation. Yes, that is what children do too. But not only children, also Buddhists for example have a similar approach.

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      2. It was a bit more than just phone calls, but yes, as I said, I understand his fixation on the calls, etc. You and I could go back and forth about this all day and still disagree about his competence, it is fine to accept that someone else has a different stand point, we discussed it at length the other day.
        Elsewhere on here we’re talking about Carrillo, I’d be interested in hearing what you think, you’ve studied him and this case for a long time.

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      3. I wouldn’t call Richard “crazy.” That’s not how I think of him. He seems to have “disassociated” himself from the death sentences he had been given. One of the professionals that evaluated him also said that. I think there was only so much he could deal with. So “disassociating” was a way of coping. Not necessarily a conscious choice but a protective mechanism.

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      4. Not only from the the death sentences, but from the whole life and the entire world. And I think that he did that at a very young age. It probably started already when he was a child. He said that when he was a little boy, he tried to imagine how God would see him, how God would judge his actions. So he somehow observed himself and saw himself from the outside. That’s how I see him and that’s what I do too. I can switch between the levels and can somehow zoom in and experience or zoom out and observe. That’s kind of what you also do in meditation. You just sit and observe your thoughts without judging anything. And Richard said he learned how to meditate in prison. But I agree that it wasn’t necessarily a conscious choice, it’s also possible that he just “slipped into it”, maybe easier because he had done something similar before consciously.

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      5. I recall him instructing a penpal on meditation and chakras.

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    2. As an afterthought, I don’t think he was “crazy”, as in “insane”. Thought disorders and psychosis, though? Yes, definitely. I have never said in any post he was crazy, or insane. That’s a very different thing.
      As ever, thanks for commenting.

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      1. I meant “crazy” in the sense of “he didn’t know what was good for him”. And that’s what his lawyers claimed. He was incompetent because he couldn’t decide what was the best for him and didn’t/couldn’t assist his attorneys in their efforts to save his life. And in my opinion he knew very well what he considered the best for him, it’s just that nobody cared about his wishes and nobody wanted to accept that a long life was not his first priority.

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      2. Well, I respect your opinion, of course, even if we disagree.

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      3. I agree with you in that Richard thought he knew what was best for him. But many people that struggle with psychosis think they know what’s best for them and there are times when they do not.

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      4. I think I know what you mean and I generally agree. I have done a few really stupid things in my life, that could have changed my life to the worst. I have been lucky and nothing happened. I probably would have regretted it but at the same time I would have been able to deal with it, just because there wouldn’t have been a choice. I don’t want to tell what exactly I have done. Let’s say it was like jumping into unknown water, if it’s not deep enough and you hit the ground you can get paralyzed. That would have been a really bad idea and of course not the best for you, but also when paralyzed you can have a happy life. You’d just live it and try and make the best of it, just because there is no other way.
        In Richard’s case Idk… Was jail/prison good for him? It wasn’t what he wanted, but who knows, if he would have continued the life on the streets that he lived before, maybe he would have died way earlier. Were his death sentences good for him? Of course not, but what (theoretical) options would there have been? Life without parole in prison? I can understand if someone doesn’t want that this kind of life lasts too long. Spend the rest of his life in a mental institution? It’s somehow the same. If you are 30 years old and you imagine that you have to spend another 30 years locked up with the same routine every day etc. I can understand that you don’t feel like fighting for that. And what if his verdicts would have been turned over? Then he probably would have ended up in the life he had before or he would have been charged with burglaries he committed. Sandra Hotchkiss got 14 years for hers. So Richard probably would have gotten a similar sentence. He would have spent some more years in prison as a normal inmate, who just committed some burglaries. Nobody would have cared about him anymore. Idk, maybe I would have preferred to “be” the Night Stalker too.

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      5. I have often thought that prison just might have prolonged his life, because unless he had managed to turn his life around, he most likely end up dead from drugs, or getting shot during a break-in or car theft. He said himself he lived a dangerous life. What a paradox, if you consider that.

        If his LA convictions had gone to re trial or been overturned, he’d have been charged with Mei Leung’s murder, so realistically, there was little chance of him being released. Even if he had, after so long incarcerated I believe he’d have struggled outside in the free world. His notoriety as the Night Stalker certainly kept him busy with letters, etc. Perhaps, in the end, that was a big deal to him.

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      6. If he would have been released after 1996 a life with Doreen would have expected him. I think that wouldn’t have worked either.

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      7. They seem a bit mismatched, don’t they…

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      8. I don’t know why he liked her. I would be interesting to read some of their letters. But apparently he really trusted her , which means a lot, if you consider that he practically didn’t trust anyone.

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      9. Maybe it was because she was defending him in the press with letters and she was someone who believed in him or maybe she was a sort of mother figure.

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      10. I think she was just the most reliable of all his “girlfriends”.She was the one who stayed , who was always there for him. They knew each other for 8 years when they got married. No one else had stayed for 8 years.

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      11. And the only reason they didn’t charge him with Leung is that he would have yet more appeals if found guilty, which he would have been because everyone thinks DNA is infallible.

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  5. Same. We don’t even disagree that much, only about the extent of his issues. All the other things we see differently (regarding his defense etc) are based on that one thing. Regarding Carrillo, can you tell me which post you meant? Although I haven’t studied him. When I did my research he wasn’t all over YouTube yet. I had my opinion about Falzon and Salerno, but still wanted to believe that Carrillo was “the good one”, who was not allowed to talk about certain things regarding the case.

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    1. Go to “More Carrillo Logic”, we were dissecting the “His M.O was no M.O” rhetoric. We’ve studied him too much, way too much. Ha ha!
      Carrillo talks too much, but the more he talks, the more things unravel.
      As for Richard, I am glad we can respect each other’s view point without the usual arguments. We’ve explained our points, we won’t always agree on them, but that’s ok.
      As I told you, your views are welcome here.

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      1. The more he talks, the less sense he makes. Lol

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  6. “which he would have been because everyone thinks DNA is infallible.”
    I think DNA is a strong evidence, if it’s not on a f***ing handkerchief right beside some trash cans . Why did they find DNA only on that handkerchief, but not on her clothes or on any other item?

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    1. Especially as her clothes were apparently found in a pile in the yard. And then it was mixed, with someone else’s semen and her blood. And seeing as the basement was more like a public walkway, that is a hella contaminated hanky.

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      1. Mixed samples, as you know, are nearly impossible to tease apart. Especially as they made millions of copies of the alleles and put them all together in a test tube. That’s why they were asking for eyewitnesses, they needed more evidence.

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  7. I can now say I have read all your posts, and I really just want to thank you guys for the consistency, the passion, and the detailed information on the law aspects of this case.

    When I first heard about the Night Stalker I was really looking for information on how and why a person would do all those horrible things and what research had been done on this topic. I love serial killer facts and stories and to know more about the minds of people like that. But with Richard Ramirez, my questions were answered with more questions, because the investigation made no sense, the guy himself didn’t seem to make much sense either, and there was too much secrecy. No full trial footage, no full tapes, no confession… nothing. It was almost as if the “Night Stalker” was apathetic, but how can a serial murderer and rapist be apathetic at all times? Isn’t there a point where he would want to say something substantial about one or several of the crimes?

    Your blog has answered many of the questions I had, to the point where I get increasingly mad when I read comments of people who still buy Carrillo’s stories and what follows. I’m also gutted because I don’t think there’s many ways of this case ever getting its deserved ending. Is there any way for anyone to actually state his sentence and all the defamation and abuse were wrong? That his trial never proved anything because of how many rules were violated in order to still follow the logic of random untested evidence?

    I hope you guys encounter success with the book. It’ll be hard, people are so indoctrinated and scared to see what really happens in the so-called name of justice that I wouldn’t be surprised if you received lots of hate for suggesting Ramirez was innocent, but I’m sure it will work out in the end because you have the knowledge, the competence and the proof.

    Keep going 💪🏻

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    1. Hi Gen, thank you so much for your kind words and for recognising what we’re trying to do.
      It was never about trying to prove “innocence”, it was about showing that he never had a defence, the evidence weak and the case against him not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
      Like you, I was astounded at the ignorance and lack of knowledge, in a way it’s understandable; they hid it all. There’s hardly anything available, what there is are mainly lies, inconsistencies and nonsense.
      I am disgusted by the justice system, and especially this case. I became obsessed by the trial because I was horrified that a man could get the death penalty when the evidence doesn’t stack up.
      And the hate.. well, to borrow a phrase, it “always went with the territory”.
      As for his case, his petition was dismissed, with prejudice, when he died. Meaning it can never be raised again.
      This is all we can do now, keep pushing and asking questions.
      Thank you again for reading what we had to say.

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      1. ginevrapiacentini Avatar
        ginevrapiacentini

        To me, if a person is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty, and all the “proof” is basically a crime fiction book attempt, that person remains innocent. Prince Carrillo should’ve put that slipper on Richarderella to at least check the shoe size.

        What can I say, the Supreme Court could tell us that elephants can fly, unless you show me one that does I can’t believe it.

        Goodnight and I can’t wait to read more from you!

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      2. Ha ha! Richarderella! I did liken the shoeprint saga to a macabre Cinderella story. Carrillo has him running around in Avia 440s, and they’re women’s sneakers, they didn’t go up to size 12; the size of Richard’s feet. Imagine him cramming his feet into women’s too-small shoes for the evening!
        Innocent until proven guilty, yes, that’s how it should be, but not in Richard’s case; he was found guilty before he even set foot in that court room.

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      3. 100% I’m gonna dream of that scene when the slipper flies across the room because Drizella’s foot was too big, except it’s going to be across the courtroom.

        Maybe it lands on Daniel’s head.

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      4. I’d pay money to see that!

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    2. To add to what Jay said, I supposed we just want these questions to become mainstream to the point that every time a Gil video pops up, people ask the podcasters to ask him better questions, for example, “can you explain why semen at one crime scene was not Richard’s” and the same question for the blood at two others. Explain why – if every victim described bad teeth as he claims – did one victim say they were clean and straight? Or ask him why Sophie Dickman told two officers that her rapist was 5’8″. Apparently, when he was asked about the blonde killer at Abowath, he claimed that people don’t know the half of the story and that the police statement is “fake.”

      So, if we don’t know half the story, it implies that the prosecution didn’t submit half the evidence, which doesn’t explain why their case was so weak they struggled to connect them and said ‘um, the stab wounds look… similar, similar handcuffs. SHOES.” If there was more, why doesn’t Carrillo talk about what they had, instead of the same old anecdotes?

      So yeah, we want people to talk and ask. Talking to Carrillo doesn’t get people anywhere however. He will then deflect about how trolls sent him death threats because of hybristophilia or something.

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  8. Carrillo’s whole career and now life seems to be wholly based on Ramirez’s capture, which didn’t even happen thanks to him, but because he thinks he’s the one who put 2 and 2 together he will never admit how much and how often he lied.

    I know you guys said you weren’t interested in the social media circus, but SM coverage would have people talking even more about the many ifs, and for a book it can always help.

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    1. One reason I won’t do social media is because I’ve previously blogged about fun and non serious things and both times ended up with stalkers. With a subject like Richard Ramirez, it would be so much worse.

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  9. Carrillo said that the police statement was “fake”?? What’s that supposed to mean??

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    1. Apparently he suggested it wasn’t real when put on the spot about it. But the documents are definitely real and come from the Supreme Court.

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    2. Forgot to mention, if he did indeed say that Abowath’s statement is fake, that’s ridiculous. Because the suspect’s hair colour came up at trial and alternate jurors mentioned it in their statements. Are they all fake too?

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  10. Do you guys think if Richard was given the proper medication and treatment for his disorders while in jail he would’ve been level headed enough to not interfere with what his SF lawyers were doing to help him?

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    1. His conditions were treatable, although not curable, but I think with the proper medication he would’ve acted in a more rational manner.

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      1. You guys probably may not this info. But was he receiving any kind of medical treatment or medication while in LA County jail and SF County Jail?

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      2. He was supposed to be, but as far as I know, he wasn’t treated.

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      3. One of the psych reports (Dale Watson?) confirms that.

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      4. Wasnt there also an earlier one where Blumer said “Henderson would know what needs to be done” – as in he needed to prescribe him antipsychotics. I probably got their names wrong.

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      5. Yes, there was also that one, and the names are correct.

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      6. I just looked it up and in forty US states prisoners are charged co-pay for medication and treatment. So they basically have to choose between stuff like toilet paper and treating their illnesses. I doubt that most prisoners and their families have good enough financial means to replenish their toiletries and other resources as well as pay for medical treatments. Co-pay usually doesn’t cost much, but it will add up over time. I don’t expect them to get luxurious medical care or anything. But I don’t think it’s too much to ask for them to get decent medical care. I’m not sympathizing with people who are incarcerated because most of the time they are in there for a good reason. Just that they as least be treated as human beings.
        Side Note: California did pass a bill in 2019 that said that it would “no longer charge copays or for medical equipment in state prisons”. But Richard died in 2013 so…

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      7. That is so wrong!

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      8. It’s why an incarcerated person relies heavily on having people on the “outside” to send them money. Sometimes they can earn it in prison, but not always, and not every prisoner is allowed to work a job inside. If a prisoner has no one of the “out” they’re in big trouble.

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      9. I agree I hate that people make Richard out to be this manipulative monster when he asks his penpals for money and stuff or sells his drawings and other items. They can always say no and stop writing him. His family definitely didn’t have he financial means to provide him a continuous flow of cash or resources and he barely had anyone on the “outside” who him supported other than people like Doreen. So doing those types of things was the only way that he would be able to “survive”.

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      10. He was trying to survive as best he could. He’d need the cash to get him the basics, even things like soap or toothpaste, so it’s perfectly understandable why he was hoping to get cash sent in. Even the cost of stamps and writing materials, and let’s face it, he wrote a lot of letters. LOL
        It’s still the same today, even in the facilities where a prisoner has access to a tablet (which they do, but they can’t access the internet) it still costs money to send a letter electronically.

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      11. Prison/jail reform is desperately needed in the US. Instead of building more prisons and jails, politicians and lawmakers should focus on actual rehabilitation and helping people get their lives together. So when they get out they are less likely to reoffend and fall back into old habits. But I guess asking people to do their jobs is too much to ask.

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      12. I read once that freed prisoners are often just dumped in the local Skid Row-type areas and left to fend for themselves.

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      13. That’s horrible! How the hell are the supposed to take care of themselves if you don’t give them the proper tools? It’s sad that if people (particularly male minorities) fall through cracks it’s virtually impossible for them to get back on their feet again.

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      14. The poor guy tried to sell his “life story” to somehow financially support his family. This blew up in his face as Carlo seemed to embellish, fictionalize, and dramatize most of it to further villainize Richard. The only kind of decent part was the trial part where he actually pointed out some flaws in the trial itself.

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      15. As far as I am aware, his mother didn’t receive any money from the Carlo book. Yes, the trial part is the best bit, because even Carlo left a few breadcrumbs of doubt along the way.

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      16. I doubt they did either or if they did it was very little, in order to get “material” about their lives for the book. It’s disgusting!

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  11. Also I wonder what he said to his friends and family to discourage them from talking to his lawyers?

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    1. I would love to know!

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  12. this so so so sad! Why all this after her died?! They waited and wanted him to die and then now they pass a bill like that?!

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    1. I doubt it had anything to do with Richard, it is just unfortunate timing.

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      1. Still it’s so sad! He had all his appeals and stuff ready and was gonna get to it in August he had a meeting or something, then sadly unfortunately he died I just can’t this is so wrong! I want this case to be discussed properly as we are doing here on this blog! Cuz I’ve had enough of this BS.

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  13. I hate that he wasn’t treated that’s so wrong! 😢

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  14. you know Vivi I love how eveyone here understands stuff and isn’t the type of people do hurt people like those guys did to Richard, in life I learned how not to trust eveyone, which is something Richard learned a bit too late sadly, I wish he was properly guided especially in trusting Carlo! Richard honestly meant well from what I see he loved his mom and sister very much! And ofc with his troubles Brain he thought by doing this book and getting money from it he can support his family! But sadly he was wrong and wrong to trust that weasel Carlo as he called him

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    1. If he had listened to his lawyers he would’ve quickly realized that selling his “life story” would be one of the worst things to do. As you can see with the few interviews he had done they heavily edit everything he said and did to show him in a bad light. He wasn’t able to understand that people won’t portray him and what he says and does in the way that he wants them to. This man-child article perfectly explains how he functioned on a naive and impulsive mindset. Some of the things he says and does can be so frustrating to hear and read. But with all the trauma he had been through and the numerous brain injuries it’s not that surprising.

      His overprotectiveness of his family screwed him over too because it prevented important mitigating evidence from coming to light. But I know in Hispanic/Latino populations supporting and protecting your family no matter what is a pillar of their culture. Sometimes I feel like holding family members responsible for their actions and cutting them out of your life if they are toxic is something that only exists in Western culture. That sounds like an overgeneralization. But based on my experiences that’s what I believe. His family made sure to keep their problems to themselves as much possible to avoid shame and as a result this prevented them from getting the help they desperately needed.

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      1. that’s the truly sad part, he had no clue what he was doing he was super clueless traumatized Brain damaged etc… guy. He even believed cup cake Cindy would help him which ofc obviously made it worse for him! Sometimes cutting people off in life even if they are family isn’t a bad thing it’s actually a good thing! Family or not no one deserves to be treated that way the way Richard was treated! I’m sure he was filled with emotions that he wanted to let out and talk about but since his family never showed him how or even gave him the opportunity to talk about it he kept those hidden inside cuz he truly believed no one cared about him so why care about himself ya know? It’s truly sad

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      2. I agree with you, it definitely seems part of the culture. I have a friend, he is Hispanic, and currently incarcerated in Huntsville, he’s not a killer or rapist, but he’s done some bad things and he’s in there for a long time. Anyway, he opened my eyes to the way things are and he helped me massively to understand how it is for many people from impoverished backgrounds. His childhood reminded me a lot of Richard’s, same culture, same problems; surrounded by the same type of criminals.

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      3. It’s completely understandable. People in impoverished and minority backgrounds often times only have their families to rely on and support them. I feel that they almost have this sort of fear that if they try to hold their family members accountable for their actions that they will be left alone to fend for themselves. The only way they can by is by sticking together and putting up with everything. It’s a sad reality and to add on to that part of his family were immigrants which adds on a another level of isolation and need to maintain a family unit.

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  15. I definitely believe his family dynamics for sure played a major role in his life. If he had been treated properly and well and was shown good things he wouldn’t been on this mess he was in I truly don’t blame Richard for anything I blame his family, I know his family were also suffering form their own troubles but to neglect your child when he was clearly in need of love is so sad and wrong! He was shown no mercy for sure. Robert even claimed that he hated being home when his father was home so he’d go to his friends house and that speaks volumes that’s something to look at and not ignore. But people fail to see this and ignore it! All they want is a crazy monster killer the killer that the media described him. That’s so despicable of the media!

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    1. I wish they didn’t use traditional forms of punishment. I know that in the environments that they were raised beating your children into submission was a common thing. But with their children’s behavior not improving they should’ve found a better way. Their discipline techniques and unreachable standards created a extremely toxic and oppressive environment for their children. They did everything they could to escape, even if it meant that they had to be homeless. I’m sure their parents loved them and wanted only what was best for them. But they got all caught up in trying to survive that they didn’t have time to fully bond with and love their children properly. I sometimes find myself wishing that Mercedes or Julian Sr. had stayed home instead of working. I understand that money was probably very tight with seven people in the house. But maybe if there was a parent at the house the children would’ve felt more supported and most of all safe. It’s all a story of what ifs and maybes. But some of the things that happened to their children could’ve definitely been mitigated with at least one parent being in the house consistently.

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      1. I totally agree, I’m sure as well they loved their kids but still that doesn’t give them an excuse to hurt them like that! Robert witnessed Richard getting hurt by his father constantly and the bruises I just can’t think about that rn it hurts. Abusing your kids is wrong no matter what! Yes Richard and his brother were trouble makers but sometimes I noticed that the trouble ones are the the ones that need the most attention and the most love. Richard never had that he never experienced that sadly! I mean look around look at him brothers teaching him bad things at a young age, beating him not doing what brothers are supposed to do which is teach their baby brother how to help him self and stay away from drugs! But the the whole family were druggies so it got to him too so sad! All Richard wanted was to be loved I can tell and when you don’t get Enough of love or happiness and on top of that poverty it really damages a person! People need to freaking stop comparing their lives with Richard it’s totally different! His older Brother even stated that his 3 brothers and sister would get into trouble just to get their parents attention and to me that shows neglect in a child! You can’t just expect someone to know how to take care for them selves and love them selves or care about others or go to the right path of life when all he’s been shown was the opposite and especially with his mental health and brain damage which made it very worse for him!

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      2. I would’ve expected Julian Sr. to treat his children better since he experienced the effects of corporal punishment. I understand that children can be incredibly frustrating sometimes. But if you have already established yourself as a respected authority in the house, children will listen to you. When a parent is firm and fair and allow children freedom, the level of misbehavior children exhibit is a lot less even if they have behavioral problems.

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      3. Some people just don’t get it! And especially when you have made influence in your life how you expect a Child to grow normal?! How you expect a child to know how to love themselves etc…, when it’s only ever saw violence and hate?! Hearing Richard talk about crimes and stuff it just doesn’t more like Mike his cousin talking out of his mouth like those are mikes words not his is what I see!

        My brain damaged uncle has an abusing wife and she is hurting him and my baby cousin I can’t save them at all!! And after reading this case it’s scaring me those kids have problems especially the boy! She’s dictating who they talk to or can see I’m not allowed to even see my own uncle or cousin! And she’s spreading lies about my family! My uncle can’t fend for himself anymore he’s damaged and just like Richard himself he need support not to be beaten! And angers me Richard was never helped he could have been saved!

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      4. I agree. It’s not as if working was even providing food for them so what’s the point. Stay at home and bond. Back in the 50s and 60s it was acceptable for women to stay at home too. I’d have thought the majority of mothers were stay-at-home back then. I also think the mother might have found better work if she’d tried to learn English. It’s weird that she wasn’t bilingual because she was born in the USA. She limited her options. I don’t know how one can go to work every day yet still play the subservient woman. Also if he isn’t going to pull his dick out, and end up with 5 kids, the dad needed to maybe train for a better job to support them rather than being away on the railroad. I think they use “I was away working” as too much of an excuse for their failings. They didn’t even have anything to show for this work.

        The dad couldn’t see that if beatings didnt work on the first and third sons, that it probably wouldn’t work on the fifth either. They just repeat the patterns. And then three of their kids repeated the cycle of dysfunction and at times their own kids had to live with the parents that failed them.

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      5. When my family first came to America we struggled a lot financially and had to heavily depend on government assistance. It was really hard for my parents to put aside their pride and ask for help and use things like food stamps. But they understood that they had to do whatever it takes to survive in this country.
        As a result of my mother’s difficult home situation she wasn’t able to receive her high school diploma in her home country. So when she came to this country she struggled to find proper work. She couldn’t speak English and didn’t have anything equivalent to a high school education. In addition to that my mother had no family and connections other than my siblings and I and my father.
        My siblings and I were fairly young and also struggling to adjust to out surroundings. Despite all of this we managed to help her get GED and get her registered for English speaking classes. It was a long and arduous process, but with persistence and determination she learned English and got jobs that she was successful at and enjoyed. She now speaks excellent English and can do most everything by herself.
        I know that everyone’s journey is not the same. But if they had actually made a proper effort to improve their situation I’m sure things would’ve worked out. I agree that the parents were simply making excuses for their children’s behavior and in my opinion bad parenting, by saying that they were away working too long to properly care for them.
        In order to solve all these problems, they would’ve had to made significant short term sacrifices. But their lives would’ve improved ten fold if they had gone out and perhaps gotten English classes, gotten their GED, and taken advantage of whatever resources they could to help with their children’s learning disabilities and illnesses. Improving their education and English speaking abilities would’ve opened up more lucrative career opportunities, thus improving their financial and living situation.

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      6. Also if you have five kids I think it’s best that at least one parent stay home for a good part of the day. The parent can work while the children are at school, but someone needs to be at home to properly care and discipline children.
        Side Note: I know a lot of people won’t agree with my on this. But I absolutely hate this culture of kicking you children out of the house the minute they turn 17 and 18. They only just transitioned in to young adult. They will still need a lot of assistance in learning how to live with adult responsibilities. The parents shouldn’t allow them to be lazy or completely dependent. The children should receive assistance to either get a job or pursue a education. People don’t just magically change overnight.
        Every one of the Ramirez children suffered from some sort of illness or disability or both. They would’ve needed more assistance than other children in transitioning in to adulthood. The TYC could’ve helped Richard in particular make great strides in improving his life, but chose not to. The only thing they helped with is possibly get his GED. Another situation of adults putting in little effort and expecting drastic results from children.

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      7. All this! Their own parents put them on a path to crime…it’s well known that many people in prison or committing crimes have learning disabilities or speech problems. They weren’t very employable with few marketable skills and they all needed help.

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      8. I 100% agree with Richard in that things like poverty, drugs, and child abuse contribute to a person’s frustrations and causes them to “explode”. Obviously, not everyone that has gone through these things turn to a life of crime. But they are contributing factors and should not be ignored.

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  16. Richard’s case kind of reminds of Steven Avery’s case. But on a much bigger scale. Both of them came from impoverished uneducated backgrounds and were convicted of crimes that didn’t have enough evidence to convict them.

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    1. that’s messed up! Only the poor weak minded people from a minority groups get this happen to! You need the money to be defended well or else you get taken advantage of and stepped on

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      1. Steven Avery was white so he wasn’t a minority, but he was definitely framed in my opinion. Both the community and law enforcement were against him.

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      2. I read a little about the case last night. Sounds really suspicious. Planted evidence?

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      3. Definitely. The cops were so suspicious and sketchy. He was eventually acquitted of the first crime that he went to jail for because he had a great legal team the second time around. But they pinned another crime on him, thus keeping him in jail. There is a huge possibility that it was a family member that committed the second crime. The Netflix documentary on it was surprisingly kind of good.

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      4. Ohhhh ok my bad! Never heard of him until u said. But jeez poor guy as well

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  17. ok we need ppl to read this blog! It’s not funny at all! People are gonna lose their life like Richard did if we don’t do something about it! As someone that is suffering from a learning disability this hurts alot! I want this to end! I’m tired of the lies no more! Even if it kills idc him so tired of the BS! No other cases makes me triggered only this one! It’s RICHARDS parents fault that he suffered! How u except a brain damaged person to fend for themselves?!?

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  18. jay venning Kaycee!!! Bless your souls for doing this blog if it wasn’t for you guys no one would know the truth! Richard said he will be avenged I believe truly that it’s you guys that’s gonna do it! I care about each and every one of you! And I got your back! Keep it up! This book coming out will be a master piece trust me! You have my 100% support and respect! I can’t thank you enough! I wish I was as knowledgeable as you guys! You’re really brave to do this! You helped us all by allowing us to discuss this awful case without being harassed we are freely allowed to be open and even if sometimes we don’t agree or disagree we still respect each others opinions and it’s awesome having people like you 3 and eveyone else in this blog to talk to about this! Finally people have a Brain haha

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    1. Thank you, you’re very kind.

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  19. there are too many dumb comments comparing Richard with themselves and others like oh I was abused but just like him but I didn’t turn out the way Richard did! Ok that’s awesome you had the SUPPORT you needed to help take you to the right path! If Richard did too he would be soemthing different I’m sure! Richard didn’t have the luxury we have or the support or anyone in-fact! Very bad people around him teaching him awful things! Druggy family, and the TYC should have taken good care of him as well and they should responsible for looking at there youths and helping them but it seem they didn’t give a fuck as well! He got his GED yes awesome good for him! But he should have had help for his health and troubles more than anything!

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    Im still around reading yall’s posts and comments and I agree with you all. Don’t got much to add at the moment. I spent the whole week trying to trace down the Israeli documentary where RR was featured and finally found a site that had bits of it but of course once they got to RR’s part it was chopped and cut off. More of the docu showcased that journalist Michail Wess interview with Mansons. Very frustrating. Im still searching for archives with footage in it’s entirety, it’s consuming my mind more and more. Having bits and bobs, few second clips here and there is so underwhelming.

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    1. Why is everything to do with Ramirez always chopped up and messed about with? It is so frustrating.

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    2. It’s really frustrating. I always find that the one thing I want is missing. I hope you find it. I wonder if it will come out in full but in better quality. I’ve seen a trailer where Richard’s face looked clearer.

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        The clip I found was 14 minutes long, from the Israeli TV broadcasting site called “Kan”. But it was mostly about Manson, and a lot of clips from backstage and the producers commentary who edited the documentary. Nothing of interest. Once they got to RR, his part of the 14 minutes were literally only 2 seconds at the very end.

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      2. Someone sent me the link but I need a vpn to access it because it said I didn’t have access from where I am.

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  21. it only seems to be happening with Richard even Watkiss interview it’s missing alot but why just Richard?!

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    1. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking it’s some kind of conspiracy…

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      1. I’m tell you these guys are truly hiddimg soemthing I won’t be surprised at all

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  22. look at this way, why would you need to hide anything if you tellin the truth! If they you so sure are telling us the truth why hide it why edit it my change it as they did with Richard?! If they were so positive he was the night stalker they didn’t have to hide videos or anything like that they would have released everything! Those video would most likely show some innocent in Richard which is why they hid it and released parts that make him look bad and edit it to make him again look bad! I bet they knew deep down Richard wasn’t the night stalker but they wanted to move so badly from this case to not look around they got an easy target to get them their paycheck

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    Just out of curiosity.. does anyone know what he was screaming and yelling about? Like what words was he screaming?

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    1. You mean to his beleaguered lawyers? Haha! No. Sadly that isn’t written in the documents, but I think a lot of his rage happened if he knew someone was going to talk to his family. He would actively sabotage that, and call his family to “forbid” them to speak. He was furious with Dorothy Bischoff, and she was a favourite of his. Telling her she could go to El Paso “as my girlfriend but not as my lawyer”. There are a few other snippets, but not much. He also forbade Dario Inouye to sit anywhere near him because he “knew things”. So between his rants and hysterical phone messages, he must’ve been an absolute nightmare to work with.
      That was his paranoia breaking through.
      I can understand his mistrust of lawyers, when you think of the farce that happened in LA. However, Burt, Bischoff, Inouye and Martin, were nothing like the Hernandezes.
      I find his sacking of Randall Martin very sad. Martin was an extremely good public defender, but Richard lost it because of delusional jealousy over Cindy “cupcake” Haden. All we know of his phone messages is the intriguing line that he abused Martin in an infantile manner.

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        Yeah, who will forget Cindy Cupcake Haden who was completely useless and made it worse for RR in the long run. A part of me thinks if Randall Martin was Mexican, he would’ve had higher chances of being trusted somehow.

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      2. Have you read Venning’s post on her? It’s very funny.

        I think the Hernandezes being Hispanic was why he trusted them, so you’re probably right.
        Randall said he was going to try and save his life “with or without” his help. It’s so frustrating and sad.

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        Yes I have read the post by Venning. It is truly sad, what a waste 😦
        And If RR had lived another 6 years he may have been relocated somewhere else too, after Gov Newsom issued that executive order in 2019 halting the death penalty in California and will no longer house death row inmates.

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      4. I think about that often, and it’s really sad.

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