Ballistics Bollocks?

“In one response to a basic question about what the defendant does during the trial, Mr. Ramirez’s irrationality leaks through: “Sit and watch the whole facade – the stupidness of it. You have lay persons giving legal jargon that they don’t go to school for even and pretend to do scientific stuff.” When I asked to whom he was referring, his response was, “The jury!”. Mr. Ramirez’s ability to assist counsel in the conduct of his own defense is grossly inadequate due to the incapacitating effects of his mental disorder”

Report of Dr Anne Evans, forensic psychologist doc 16-7

As irrational as the statement above sounds, it holds some merit. A jury in a capital case has a defendant’s life in their hands; they must trust that the evidence laid before them by the prosecutors is reliable, and they should also be given counter-evidence by the defence. Juries are generally made up of “lay persons” in that, at least, Ramirez was correct. Evidence presented to them by expert witnesses holds high value, especially expert witnesses for the prosecution.

However, in the Ramirez case, as we have demonstrated throughout this blog, the jury was drip-fed misleading and often false, inaccurate information, whether regarding shoeprints or, in this instance, ballistics evidence.

In 1985, The Association of Firearms and Toolmark Examiners decided to develop a document on the theory of toolmark identification with a range of conclusions that could be reached from comparing toolmark evidence. Toolmarks are the characteristic markings picked up when bullets and casings are expended from guns. The result, produced in 1989, was unanimously accepted and approved by the AFTE. The lengthy summary can be accessed here.

From the National Academies Press

Linking the Crimes – The Findings of Deputy Sheriff Edward Robinson.

We are told that Ramirez owned a vast array of weaponry, which he often changed from crime to crime, sometimes during the same night when a double incident occurred. No guns (nor any other weapons associated with the Night Stalker crimes) were recovered, unless the carelessly lost Jennings is included, but that is another story and you can read it HERE.

The prosecution linked eight incidents (in the LA trial) through ballistics; the version of events produced in court is detailed below, an eventuality decided upon after the third firearms officer, Deputy Sheriff Edward Robinson, examined the distorted bullets and casings fragments removed either from the victims or the crime scene.

  • .22 calibre revolver – Okazaki, Yu and Kneiding.
  • .22 calibre revolver – Zazzara and Khovananth
  • .22 Jennings semi-auto – Doi
  • .25 auto – Abowath and Petersen (Pan – trial stayed indefinitely, Carns – uncharged)

Deputy Sheriff Edward Robinson worked in the firearms identification section; he became involved in the case in April 1986, almost a year after firearms officers Robert Christansen and Robert Hawkins examined the evidence. He was the one who gave the prosecution what they wanted, and consequently the only one called to testify; the other two firearms officers either didn’t agree with him or each other.

The Devil’s in the Detail – The Affidavit.

On 1st September 1985, an affidavit detailing crimes and the evidence against Ramirez was produced. The first firearms officer to examine the ballistics evidence, Sgt Robert Christansen, came to a different conclusion regarding ballistics. He received the bullets used in both the Okazaki and Yu incidents for testing on 19th March.

In a report prepared on 28th March 1985, Christansen states that the bullet removed from Dayle Okazaki was a .22 long-range lead bullet and suggested these brands of weapon (he could not be specific) H&RRugerHigh StandardIver JohnsonGarcia and Hawes Revolvers. The bullet removed from Okazaki showed 75% mutilation and was too distorted to positively match it to the bullets from the Yu incident; those had shown 50% and 70% mutilation. He cautiously states that it “may” have been fired from the same weapon.

Report of Robert Christansen, document 7-20
Report of Robert Christansen, document 7-20

On 13th August 1985, a second firearms officer, Robert Hawkins, completed his examination of the bullets removed from Maxon and Lela Kneiding, along with some fragmented grains found in a rug. He discovered two .22 calibre gold-washed lead bullets, showing 60% and 75% mutilation. In his opinion, these matched the bullets from the murders of Okazaki and Yu on 17th March. He disagreed with Christanen on the type of weapon involved, stating that it was either a Remington or a Philippines Armscor.

Report of Robert Hawkins, document 7-20

However, in the affidavit, Christansen does not agree that the Kneiding bullets matched Okazaki and Yu; he believed they were from a .25 automatic.

“Sgt. Christansen examined the ballistics evidence from the San Francisco case [Pan] and the Mission Viejo case [Carns] and stated that the weapon that had fired the bullet in these cases, had also fired the bullets in the murders on 7-20-85[Kneiding and Khovananth] and assaults on 8-6-85[Petersen]”

Affidavit, document 7-4

Robert Christansen concluded that the weapon used in the Kneiding and Khovananth cases (both 20th July) was a match to the gun used in the Abowath attack and murder, and all were .25 calibre bullets, matching the Carns and Pan incidents.

Robert Hawkins’ report and conclusions were not used in the affidavit, and probably due to this conflict of opinion, neither Hawkins nor Christansen were called to testify on behalf of the prosecution.
Hawkins did agree with Robinson that the bullets in the Okazaki, Yu and Kneiding murders were a match; both men thought the bullets were .22 calibre, fired from the same gun, although Robinson was unable to determine what brand

“In Robinson’s opinion, a positive identification meant that a bullet was fired from a firearm ‘to the exclusion of all other firearms.’”

Habeas Corpus, page 106

To come to this conclusion, surely Robinson would need access to the weapon in question; access he did not have.

“Projectiles in the Okazaki incident the Kneiding incident, and the Yu incident had identical characteristics: six lands and grooves with a right-hand twist, the most common characteristics of .22-caliber firearms. Robinson was unable to determine the manufacturer and exact type of firearm that fired the recovered bullets.”

Habeas Corpus, page 106

Richard’s Habeas lawyers had this to say:

In the Kneiding case, firearms examiner Hawkins found there was 60% mutilation of an expended bullet but identified the bullet as having been fired from the same firearm as the bullets fired in the Yu case. This finding raises questions about the reliability of the testing”.

“Robinson was the last of three law enforcement firearms examiners to evaluate the general rifling characteristics of the ballistics evidence. Yet the two other examiners, who did not reach entirely the same conclusions, were not called to testify at trial. For example, in the report prepared by Robert Christansen on March 28, 1985, he concluded that due to distortions of the .22-caliber bullet in the Okazaki case, no positive comparison can be made to the Yu case.

Habeas Corpus, page 634

The Attempt to Link Zazzara to Okazaki and Yu Fails.

On 29th March 1985, Vincent and Maxine Zazzara were horrifically murdered in their Whittier home. On the 3rd of April, Robert Christansen compared the bullets from this case to the ones from the 17th March killings of Okazaki and Yu. In his report, filed on 12th April, he found the expended bullets too distorted to make a positive match, showing 70%, 85% and 90% mutilation. A bullet found on the floor was determined as too distorted to be of “any comparison value”.

Document 7-23, ballistics report

“On 4-3-85, Sgt. Christansen of the Crime Lab, compared the bullets recovered from the victims to the bullets recovered at the Rosemead and Monterey Park murders. He related that due to the amount of distortion to the bullets, he was not able to match or eliminate them as having been fired from the same weapon.”

Affidavit, document 7-4

It’s interesting to note that he was asked to compare these very different crimes; the “hitman-style” killing of Dayle Okazaki in no way resembled the on-street public murder of Tsai-Lian Yu, which, in its turn, didn’t resemble the brutal execution of Vincent and Maxine Zazzara. This supports the hypothesis that in late March, the idea of a “Serial killer” was already in place in the minds of detectives, confirmed by the unfortunate Arturo Robles, who was arrested and interrogated by Detective Carrillo on 10th April. “The word ‘serial killer’ hung in the air”, he recalled.


Petersen, Abowath, the Primer and the .25

Detective Carrillo likes to say, “His inconsistency was his only consistency”, and “His M.O. was no M.O.”, which gives much scope for linking crimes and making discernible patterns that must be shown for joinder of all offences. The physical evidence linking any Night Stalker crimes was relatively weak, so the reliance on the ballistics was paramount. Law enforcement emphasised the lack of modus operandi throughout their investigations, but the State needed to prove that there were links and cross-admissible evidence.

The Petersen and Abowath incidents were again totally dissimilar. However, law enforcement determined that the crimes had been perpetrated by the same assailant wielding the same weapon: a .25 automatic. It didn’t matter that the surviving victims had described completely different attackers, and eyewitness statements were duly changed to fit in with the image of the snaggle-toothed, maniacal Night Stalker; the ballistics evidence looked compelling as the expended .25s appeared to share the same red-coloured primer, discovered by Edward Robinson.

His report isn’t in the documents included in the 2008 petition, but we have a transcript.

“Robinson compared the bullet recovered from Elyas Abowath and a cartridge casing found at the scene (Prosecution’s Trial Ex. 40-G) with expended .25-caliber cartridge casings and a slug or deformed bullet in the Petersen incident (Prosecution’s Trial Exs. 38-B and 38-C). In Robinson’s opinion, the cartridge casings and bullets in both cases were fired from the same .25-caliber firearm. A .25-caliber weapon was not recovered. Robinson compared .25-caliber ammunition recovered from the Greyhound bag with .25-caliber long-rifle cartridge casings in the Abowath and Petersen incidents. In his opinion, the tool marks on the expended .25-caliber cartridge casings in those incidents were the same as the tool marks on the .25-caliber live ammunition from the Greyhound.”

Habeas Corpus, page 107

*Note: As mentioned, tool marks are generally referred to as characteristic markings imprinted and left on expended bullets during expulsion, not when manufactured. The live ammunition had not been fired, and so using that terminology is slightly misleading.

These red-primed bullets were of an old variety and, as with the Avia sneakers, had to be extremely rare.  

After his arrest on 31st August, Ramirez apparently told law enforcement that he had some belongings in a lock-up at the Greyhound bus depot; a bag bearing the name Greg Rodriguez was discovered, and among its contents, a box containing mixed bullets, mostly Remington .32s, but also three .25s, which appeared to share the same red primer as the ones from the Abowath and Petersen crimes.  Why Ramirez had his “friend” Greg Rodriguez’s bag wasn’t established.

Credit: 4map.com

Los Angeles City and its wider county were home to over eight million people in 1985. Yet in that vast metropolis, it is accepted that out of all those millions of people, only Ramirez had access to red-primed ammunition. It’s a reach, especially as the Petersen and Abowath incidents were at opposite ends of the geographical location given to the Night Stalker crimes, approximately 57 miles, and yet only one man had access to these particular bullets. Rare bullets and rare sneakers.

Stock image: this doesn’t even begin to show the huge sprawl of either the city or wider county.

Lead Analysis – Flawed Science

When a gun is fired, it leaves microscopic markings known as “toolmarks” on the expended slugs and casings. Forensic specialists collect these expelled projectiles either from crime scenes or from the victim; these are then sent to be tested by the firearms department. If they have access to a suspect’s gun, or at least a gun suspected of being used in a crime, they can test-fire the weapon and, from there, analyse the toolmarks created and compare it to the expended bullets from a crime scene. This is how they can conclude that the weapon matches the bullets in question.

No gun or weapon of any kind used in any of the Night Stalker attacks was recovered from Ramirez. The .22 Jennings semi-automatic linked to the Doi Incident and retrieved from the self-confessed “senile” ex-felon, Jesse Perez, was somehow lost. Which hardly mattered, considering that Perez first told the police Ramirez sold him the gun six to nine months before the Doi case happened.

Without these guns, they could not perform a test fire; they had no way of knowing who pulled the trigger. Distorted bullets do tell a story, but they cannot say to the examiner who fired them from a gun.

It was long assumed that bullets from the same box came from the same manufactured batch, and it was on this premise they used bullet analysis to convict. This is what happened to Ramirez; in the absence of a weapon, it was determined that the red-primer bullets, those at the Petersen and Abowath incidents, and those contained in the box obtained from the bag in the locker must have come from the same batch, contain the same chemical components, and been put into the same box at the same time.

We now know that that is not the truth, and the FBI stopped the practice of lead analysis after the research undertaken by the National Academy of Sciences showed how flawed and unsatisfactory comparative lead analysis testing was. For over 40 years, this has led to many wrong convictions.

“The committee also reviewed testimony from the FBI regarding the identification of the “source” of crime-scene fragments and suspects’ bullets. Because there are several poorly characterized processes in the production of bullet lead and ammunition, as well as ammunition distribution, it is very difficult to define a “source” and interpret it for legal purposes. It is evident to the committee that in the bullet manufacturing process there exists a volume of material that is compositionally indistinguishable, referred to by the committee as a “compositionally indistinguishable volume of lead” or CIVL. That volume could be the melt, sows, or billets, which vary greatly in size, or some subpart of these. One CIVL yields a number of bullets that are analytically indistinguishable. Those bullets may be packed in boxes with bullets from other similar (but distinguishable) volumes or in boxes with bullets from the same compositionally indistinguishable volume of lead”.

(National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2004.)

*Note: CIVL means compositionally indistinguishable volume of lead.

For more information about the flawed science of ballistics, see this link.


The Defence Concedes

Richard Ramirez had the misfortune of being saddled with what is possibly the worst defence team in the history of crime, and that’s not an exaggeration.

The ballistics evidence should have been easy enough to cross-examine with success; after all, the three firearms officers who performed the ballistics tests could not agree on the outcome.
Did they try? Well, they did hire an expert witness of their own, a highly regarded firearms officer, Paul Dougherty. Then forgot to give him the evidence to be tested and failed to communicate with him.

Declaration of Paul Dougherty, document 7-20

During the cross-examination, Ray Clark failed to challenge Robinson’s testimony regarding the reliability of his testing. Late to the defence team, struggling and unprepared, Clark limited himself to a few generic questions concerning the ballistics tests

Habeas Corpus, page 418

The prosecution’s evidence regarding the ballistics was weak at best and had they thought about it, Richard’s defence team could have challenged the evidence presented in court. The ballistics evidence was not conclusive.


Habeas Corpus – Dougherty is Retained

For the purpose of Habeas Corpus, Paul Dougherty was again asked to examine the ballistics evidence, and his preliminary findings are revealing:

“161. During his preliminary evaluation, firearms expert Paul Dougherty found that faulty testing protocol rendered the evidence unreliable. (See Ex. 35, P. Dougherty dec., ¶¶ 4-5.) His opinion regarding validity of the testing results provides support for relief. Had trial counsel investigated and presented evidence challenging the accuracy and reliability of firearms evidence – instead of conceding the evidence – the result would have been more favorable as there would have been a reasonable doubt regarding the prosecution’s evidence.”

Habeas Corpus, page 424

He believed the ballistics evidence was faulty, inaccurate, and unreliable. He thought it should all be retested.

Habeas Corpus, page 424

“1299. Competent defense counsel would have challenged the ballistics evidence and the lack of accuracy and unreliability of the prosecution’s findings. The findings were inaccurate. Firearms expert Paul Dougherty has stated that there are internal conflicts in the reports of various law enforcement examiners and the evidence should be retested. (Ex. 35, P. Dougherty dec., ¶ 4.)

Habeas Corpus, page 424

Carrillo

In this video clip, Carrillo seems to infer that they knew the ballistics evidence was faulty but that it didn’t matter because they had the weapons in question. That is genuinely perplexing. They did not have guns, and no weapons were produced in court other than a brief appearance of the vanishing Jennings. If the prosecution had the weapons, did they simply “forget” to produce them?
The stories change month by month, and nothing is said about them by anyone who invites him along for a chat.

Credit: Matthew Cox Podcast


An Afterthought..

Ballistics are often used to convict, but rarely to exonerate. Unless you are a cop working for the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department in 1988/89 who has been arrested for killing prostitutes. Ballistics testing on the gun found in his car linked him to three murders and so Rickey Ross spent some time locked up in LA County Jail in the same section as Richard Ramirez. Later, those ballistics tests were found to be “faulty and unreliable” and he was released.

Quelle surprise – but that is a story for another time.

Sheriff’s Deputy Held in Prostitute Killings : Gun Found in Trunk Linked to 3 Murders in South-Central L.A. – Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Faulty Ballistics in Deputy’s Arrest : Eagerness to ‘Make’ Gun Cited in LAPD Lab Error – Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)


Additional source: FBI — The Basis for Compositional Bullet Lead Comparisons, Forensic Science Communications, July 2002

~ Jay ~

(Originally published 30th November 2023)

35 responses to “Ballistics Bollocks?”

  1. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    Hello, first time commenter, long time reader. I have to say that your blog (all of your contributions) are phenomenal, just fantastic. You all have convinced me of Ramirez’s innocence, and that wasn’t always an easy thing to do. Court docs, declarations, hard core evidence is what I needed, and thank God for this site.

    I do have a question about the case. Frank Salerno, doesn’t say much, for the most part, about the case, why does Gil Carillo insist on repeating himself, blabbing on about this joke on every podcast, etc.? He never let’s it rest, knowing that people can always watch it again. The second question is, niece Rosie, do you feel that “that incident” really occurred? I say it did not, it’s a he said, she said kind of deal.

    Anyway, your blog is terrific. Keep up with the excellent work. I hope Ramirez is fully exonerated one day.

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    1. Your comment initially went into the spam folder; I only just found it. Ok, Salerno has never really said much and apart from the odd appearance here and there, including the Netflix documentary, he doesn’t seem to make it his life’s purpose. Carrillo is another matter; for him, this case is his pension fund, and sadly, he has turned these tragic events into entertainment for the masses. The stories get wilder, and there are so many falsehoods and add-ons we don’t know where to start with that one.
      As for Rosie, we don’t get involved in the family feuds; there is enough mud being slung around, and they all want a slice of it. Our focus has always been on the trial itself.
      Thanks for reaching out to us; we’re glad you did.

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    Hello, first time commenter, long time reader, and I have to say that your blog is phenomenal. Very detailed with the court docs, the writs, and so forth. I really hope that one of these days Ramirez is fully exonerated. Maybe one day after we are all gone, history will rewrite itself.

    Keep up the good work!

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    1. Thanks so much for reading; glad you enjoy the blog!
      Richard was such an easy target. Unable to defend himself, homeless and drug addled with no alibis, low rung on the criminal ladder so was disposable to his ‘friends’, brain damaged etc. He had no chance of winning his case. And of course he was dodgy for want of a better word, with all his criminal paraphernalia in his car/bags so everyone immediately thinks he’s guilty.
      But broken down, detectives had nothing but circumstantial evidence that can all be explained away. It still blows my mind that every single crime has something wrong; an inconsistency that shows massive reasonable doubt.

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  3. Hi, thank you so much for your comment, we really appreciate it, and it’s great to know you’re a regular reader.
    What we’ve always wanted to show is that what is contained in both the original police reports, eye witness statements and the court documents, is a different story to the one we’ve been told.
    The irregularities of the trial, the lack of defence, inconclusice evidence, Richard’s mental disorders and their cover-up are never spoken about.
    We wanted to change that and to open up a dialogue where these things can be discussed. I hope you continue to read what we’ve got to say.
    Thanks again.

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  4. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    I am always on the lookout for new posts, I usually cannot wait! You know, you couldn’t always convince me of Ramirez’s innocence, but with an open mind, and FACTS, I see the case in a whole new light. I feel so badly he will be thought of as a murderer, the Night Stalker, and all of the other monikers people refer to him as. Do any of you (J, K, and V) feel that with the proof that is out there, some of the “victim’s” families will see the case differently?

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    1. I can’t blame you, as it is unbelievable that all this could happen to someone. Even we have moments of doubt, where we think, ‘really? How are we going to defend this’ or ‘this looks bad for him’, but the prosecution argument has so many ‘plot holes’. I do think doubt is healthy though; to question your own thoughts is good. But then it subsides, and we think, if their evidence was legitimate, why all the lies? Why did they lie that the shoe print was rare, why lie that the victims all said it was a dishevelled man with bad teeth, why lie about the finger print method? Why is there a huge narrative that he kidnapped children when old newspapers say the man looked nothing like him and so on. Then there’s the defence angle, where you wonder if he had a decent lawyer, would it have even made it past the preliminary hearing?

      I do often think about the victims’ families. I saw some old footage of one of the Kneiding grandchildren having a go at juror Cynthia Haden for defending him, because to them it’s so obvious Richard did it – after all, his fence had her grandparents’ things. But I do wonder what they’d say if they knew – if they knew a brain damaged man was possibly framed and that there are other potential suspects. I can imagine them being angry with us and seeing us as mad conspiracy theorists, because if they felt that justice hadn’t been served, then all the wounds would be opened again.

      I will write a post on Solano and his stolen goods soon. I think he might have been beaten into saying Richard gave him all those things.

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  5. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    I can hardly wait for the next post. You know, it wasn’t always easy to convince me of Ramirez’s innocence, but with facts of the case, I see everything in a new light. I wonder with the proof that is out there, if the families believe it as well?

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    1. I think it’s been difficult for some people, definitely. But there comes a point when there are too many questions. Someone spoke to Carrillo not long ago and he said something like ‘you people don’t know the half of it.’ So is he saying there’s another ‘half’ of evidence that the prosecution forgot to use?

      I wonder about Ramirez’s family as well. I know at least one of them is questioning it, or is aware he might not have done the crimes.

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    Looking forward to reading the next installment!

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  7. You know, the intent was not to “prove innocence”, it was to show that the most famous trial of all was unfair, that he had no defence and that the charges were never proven beyond a “reasonable doubt”. That’s why I started this, because I could not believe that the “justice” system was so terrible that a man could get the death penalty on the back of the evidence produced in court. Ramirez was dodgy: thief, and drug addict, but the evidence, when broken down, leaves too many questions. Why did they fabricate a shoe print on carpet to convince the jury it was there? Why was the expert shoeprint witness denied access to the evidence to further her (already conclusive) findings? Same for the fingerprints expert, the government denied them both.
    The intention was always to show these massive errors and let people decide for themselves; to understand what happened and ask why none of this was ever spoken about.
    As for his family, I have a fairly good relationship with one of them, but as you can imagine, this is all terribly painful, and as a family they have suffered too and we respect their privacy. The person we know knew nothing of any of this, like the rest of the world.

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  8. My name is Yes-I-am-evil. I mean, it was, some years ago, on Tumblr, until they deleted my account because I was allegedly glorifying violence. I never did, l hate violence and I’m afraid of violent people. I just tried what you guys are doing here. I did a lot of research, l have read the writ of habeas corpus, maybe you came across the “working timeline” I did and which can still be found on Tumblr. However, I gave up after my account was deleted, but of course I never forgot all the inconsistencies that I had noticed regarding this case. So it makes me happy to see this blog. It has to be here, somewhere on the internet (or, even better, in a book, or maybe one day in a documentary on YouTube?). There has to be a counterweight to all the biased and sloppily researched documentaries. You really did a hell of work, way more detailed and organized than I could when I was on Tumblr. Thumbs up, really good job!

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    1. Hi, thank you so much for your comment. We don’t glorify violence either, as you can see; there are no crime scene photos on this blog. We would never do that.
      We’ve heard a lot of Tumblr accounts get removed for trying to show the inconsistencies attached to this case, it’s a common theme. And yet countless accounts are left up that don’t show the facts.
      We’ve just announced that a book is coming, really to protect the work we’ve done, and to go into more depth than we have here.
      Generally speaking, many are afraid to speak out because of the reactions of others who probably haven’t done enough research, relying on Netflix/Carlo or some “YouTube expert” for their information.
      No, we didn’t come across your timeline, but we never had Tumblr, only this site dedicated to research.
      For us, our goal has only ever been to shine light into the dark corners surrounding this case, and we’ll continue to do so.
      Thank you for reaching out to us, we appreciate it.

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    2. I have seen the timeline you wrote! I recall it being very good and detailed. To see all the crimes (including alleged attacks) as a big list makes the whole thing ludicrous. Particularly the bit where he was supposedly attacked Bell and Lang and also Kyle simultaneously on 30th May, right after getting back from El Paso. Then three days later, he was allededly in San Francisco killing Edward Wildgans, then by the 5th June, he’s back to kidnapping kids in Los Angeles. In the middle of it all, he remembered a dental appointment! The idea he was travelling that much in a short period is implausible, even if he did visit S.F. once a month – a massive coke-fiend must rest.

      I sometimes worry this blog will be taken down, hence the book. They can’t remove that – if someone accepts us and publishes. Self-publishing is another matter. I don’t know if it will be allowed. Another woman we know shared the petition stuff on Instagram and she was banned too, even though she never posted Richard’s face.

      I cannot believe the level of misinformation in documentaries. One I saw recently (I think it was The World’s Most Evil Killers) said that it was Bill Carns’ girlfriend who was the first to give a good description. Another part said that Armando Rodriguez was “the informant from Lompoc,” but that was Earl Gregg! Where on earth did they get this information?! These shows always have talking heads, claiming to know what Ramirez was thinking, calling him a sexual sadist and psychopath, neither of which he was diagnosed. Then you have all the armchair criminologists in YouTube comments repeating it, but with errors, so the misinformation snowballs out of control, growing, distorting, spreading. On top of that, you have Gil Carrillo adding more “facts” to the mix, like Richard lobbing guns out of moving cars, stalking him etc. We never argue with people online about the case, because the lies are overwhelming. It’s too big a mountain to climb. So we just speak from here.

      Thanks for reading!

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      1. Gil is one of the worst for spreading misinformation. Remember the “cat lady”? (I obviously missed the timeline created, but then again, I never did Tumblr at all). Talking of timelines, what about the sightings around 28th May? In El Paso at a communion party, yet seen lurking in Monterey Park by Dempster?

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      2. I’m angry to hear about people being banned from those places just for talking about this! And it’s even weirder when you consider the online presence of people who believe that he was guilty, but are still basically “fans” of him, and drooling over his physical appeal. You see this a lot on YouTube, and I know that this can also be found on Tumblr and I think Instagram. So, that’s okay, but this isn’t?? What the hell is going on?!

        And am I to understand that you might not be allowed to self-publish your book?? How could people be prevented from doing that??

        I have wondered before about the possibility of something happening to this site. In addition to writing the book, do you back up or make copies of these posts, just in case? Then at least you would still have them, and there would still be the possibility of getting them back online, if not here then maybe somewhere else.

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      3. Hi, yeah, it frustrates the hell out of us. Drooling girls with no thought about anything other than how he looked, the worst of them get off on the thought of his guilt and really hate the thought of an unfair trial. They think he’s guilty of either “some” (but can’t say which ones or why they think that) or all of them (in which case, how dare we produce crime reports and legal documents which point to massive discrepancies). Take away their blood-fetish at your own risk! Yet the accounts that do nothing useful remain untouched on YouTube, and the ones that question are taken out. Trouble is it makes it harder for anyone else to question this case because of accusations of “it’s cos of his looks!”. Which is a lazy argument.
        We have got a back-up plan for if they try to shut us up, and we do have copies of our articles (mostly).
        Self-publishing can be problematic because of the content, and the size of the book that’s emerging. Venning knows more about this than me..

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      4. I only have backup files on my computers of the blog posts (my own ones anyway). We have considered a secondary site in case this goes down.

        As for self-publishing on say, Kindle, they have a limit on size sometimes and this book looks like it might be long. Maybe it will be alright. Not sure if we have the rights to the images we want to use either. Sometimes Kindle can unfairly ban people for seemingly arbitrary reasons and I don’t trust it.

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  9. […] found at eight of the crime scenes and it was these prints that law enforcement used, along with ballistics to link the crimes together. More information can be found in in this post and also in this […]

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  10. […] Did Richard’s attorneys jump in with their own firearms expert?  Well, they thought about it, and then didn’t bother to give the expert witness the material he needed to do his job.  Yes, as I have mentioned before, counsel for defence did not furnish the expert firearms examiner with the evidence, and so, they never presented a challenge to the ballistics report. A full breakdown of the ballistics reports can be found in this link. […]

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  11. So, girls, how we find you again, if they delete this blog ? I don’t think you need me to mention how hard it was to find this one. I didn’t find it actually, no matter what combination of words I used to type to find articles like this. Just someone, who was already familiar with it, passed me the link.

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    1. Hi Lusine, we’ve got the email address that you signed up with. I will email you, so if something happens you can find us. We can see how most people find this blog and it’s actually Google, although I don’t know what search terms are used.

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      1. It would be great if you could email me. I don’t want something like that to happen, but we have to be prepared. I hope there would be no glitches.
        I really appreciate your work, I’d be happy to help you somehow. Really don’t want to lose this blog.

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      2. I will.
        We are hopeful nothing will happen, we don’t glorify, nor share pictures of crime scenes or victims. That’s the last thing we’re about, however we do question and that also isn’t well received.
        We’ll just set up again anyway, and the book should be done next year.

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      3. I’ve seen people complaining, that their comments, where they question if the trial was fair, are deleted from YouTube. So, we all have to be psychologically prepared 😅

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      4. We’ve all had that happen to us. Usually when calling out untruths, unsurprisingly. We don’t bother now, we talk here.

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      5. And you do help because you engage. We thank you for that.

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      6. Thank you again and you can always tell us, if we can help anyhow.

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      7. We have a couple of people who are good friends to the us and the blog, they try, but consistently their accounts are removed from various platforms. We don’t ask people to do that, they wanted to, but it just resulted in them being banned. Banned for sharing documents and our links, that contain no inappropriate material. Yet these “edits” containing horrific and graphic images remain.
        Go and figure that one out.
        It’s kind of you to care though, we appreciate it.

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  12. They are many blogs and edits that speak about how bad the author and her (his) audience wants to sleep with Ramirez. They’ve been deactivated, because they “support violence”, but, on the other hand, system also blocks people, who question if Ramirez really was a serial killer. How does it even work? I can’t understand those people.

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  13. Do you have my email too? Can you please tell me too if something happens?

    And I just wanted to say, I was thinking more about this issue of the “fan girl” things being left on these sites while people who question the case get deleted. And I was thinking that maybe it’s because these sites are selfishly focused on their own interests; maybe it isn’t just an issue of controversy but also popularity. What I mean is this: The “fan girl”/hybristophiliac stuff may be controversial, but it also seems to be weirdly popular, at least with a specific subset of people. Unfortunately, questioning the case is unpopular. I wonder if when something gets flagged/reported, these sites weigh that against how popular it is or isn’t. People do complain that certain sites only care about “clicks” and “likes,” or what’s “good for the algorithm.” I wonder if that kind of thing has anything to do with this, as screwed up as it is. And besides that, I even wondered if people who run these sites are worried about being sued or something by people involved in this case!

    And specifically about YouTube, I did see a couple of things that could be a glimmer of hope: I saw a video that showed some passages from the petition, which has been up for a while; I also saw a thread under a video where people were talking about these problems in the case, and again, it has been there for a long time and hasn’t been deleted. So I wonder if when comments were deleted, some of that was done by the owners of the individual channels, rather than YouTube stepping in and doing it.

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    1. Hi, yes, I will email you as well, that’s no problem.
      As for YouTube, it’s the “true crime ” podcast types that remove comments. I wrote a post about it, “Shapeshifter” that was aimed at that. I think I saw the thread you’re referring to, they were discussing inconsistencies, and mentioned Perez and Hotchkiss, which is encouraging.

      The fangirl sites are something different, and are geared up for his physical appearance, mainly. Most of them are harmless, lacking the toxicity of the old Twitter “TCC community”, of which we have never been part of. And as we’ve said previously, he can’t help his face. The main problem with them (the fangirls) is they still perpetuate a lot of myths, but then again, that’s all that’s ever been discussed for years. Then we have the “‘hybristophile” types, and there’s too much to be said about them. One regular topic seems to be the ability of Ramirez to appear as an apparition in so many bedrooms simultaneously. Ha ha! This is why it’s so hard to discuss this case properly.
      We wanted to create a different environment.

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  14. Thank you for the email!

    About the thread on YouTube that I mentioned, I just looked at it again and it doesn’t mention Perez and Hotchkiss, so this is a different one. It’s on a channel called “LA News Archives” and the video is called “Night Stalker arrives at court.”

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    1. You’re welcome. The thread I saw was on one of those “spirit box” videos. There were three or four people who had read up on the case, which was great to see.

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