Richard Ramirez’s Appeals

Direct Appeal – Los Angeles Superior Court

People v. Ramirez, No. S012944 (Cal. 2006)

4th October 1999 – This appeal is automatic when a defendant is sentenced to death. Due to many delays and extensions of time, Ramirez’s direct appeal was finally filed, almost ten years to the day that he was sentenced to death.

6th June 2006 – 7th August 2006: the appeal was argued and the court affirmed the convictions, thereby denying that Ramirez had incompetent lawyers, or that his trial was unfair. The 37 claims made by his direct appeal lawyers can be found on pages 3 – 8 of his 2008 petition. In short, all the problems highlighted on this blog were dismissed. This suggests that the direct appeal was not even read. Ramirez had spent 16.6 years on death row and 21 in prison altogether.

27th September 2006: A rehearing was denied.

The Deputy Attorney General blamed Ramirez for choosing his own lawyers, saying this should be the end of the matter. However, we now know that Ramirez was mentally incompetent. Had the Hernandezes moved for competency motions, the trial would probably not have gone ahead. While the issue of competency came up twice in the direct appeal (claims 3 and 19), because his brain damage and illnesses were not revealed at trial, the courts did not realise the extent of the miscarriage of justice. Or perhaps they did, but were more content with putting the blame on Ramirez himself.

As for the unqualified defence who should have been stopped by the judge, Justice Carol Corrigan said (in the Associated Press):

“What is it we’re supposed to do here? Say, “Mr Ramirez, you picked two doofuses as attorneys and you have no right to keep them.”

The Fresno Bee, 7th July 2006

In short, yes, Judge Tynan should have halted the trial, even at a late stage. It is Supreme Court law. Justice Carlos Moreno wrote:

“A defendant whose request to substitute counsel is granted cannot complain on appeal that the trial court should have denied the request.”

The Californian – 8th August 2006

Moreno clearly failed to read claims 3 and 19 about incompetency. Ramirez had no idea how bad the Hernandezes were.

The attorney general said the judge should only intervene when a defence attorney is unlicenced, has a physical incapacity or is unwilling to represent the client – but two of these apply to the Ramirez trial. Daniel Hernandez was often ill, and Arturo Hernandez abandoned Ramirez. Perhaps this was not known, but claim 1 was about their ineptitude.

And it comes back to Ramirez’s incompetence. So impaired in judgement was he, that he asked Daniel Hernandez to represent him in his direct appeal. He was removed. But of course, these judges could not be bothered to read it thoroughly. These Supreme Court judges may use “justice” as a title, but there is no justice here.

First State Habeas Corpus – California Supreme Court

People v. Ramirez, No. S125755 (Cal. 21st June 2004)

A habeas corpus must be filed within 60 days of a direct appeal affirming the convictions. Because Ramirez’s case was so huge (48,325 pages of trial transcripts) his state habeas lawyers began working on it in 2004, before the direct appeal was heard. A habeas corpus presents the chance for new evidence to be submitted. Most of the 2004 declarations are contained with the 2008 petition, and can be read there (or on this very blog!).

19th December 2007: Ramirez’s state Writ of Habeas Corpus was denied. The 19 claims that were denied can be found on pages 8 – 10 of the 2008 petition, and again, the California Supreme Court was essentially denying that anything was wrong with Ramirez’s trial, despite the huge amounts of new evidence presented by the appellate lawyers, namely his background, mental illness documents and exhibits demonstrating how inept his counsel were. This list suggests that Ramirez was also denied ineffective assistance of counsel in his direct appeal.

Writ of Certiorari – United States Supreme Court

This only asked two questions:

(1) After the United States Supreme Court’s decision in United States
v. Gonzalez-Lopez
, 548 U.S. 140, 126 S.Ct. 2557, 165 L.Ed.2d 409 (2006), is
a criminal defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to counsel violated by retained
counsel’s unqualified representation in a capital case?

(2) Whether California’s death penalty law violates the Fifth, Sixth, and
Fourteenth Amendments by permitting the trier of fact to impose a sentence of death without finding the existence of aggravating factors beyond a reasonable doubt?

29th May 2007: Certiorari was denied, suggesting that the Supreme Court also did not read the case properly, and did not care that Ramirez had incompetent lawyers. Most of the claims in the state habeas corpus related to the death penalty and how it was unconstitutional for Ramirez, so it seems the Supreme Court was also unconcerned with this issue.


Federal Writ of Habeas Corpus – California Central District Court, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

People v. Ramirez, No. 2:07-cv-08310-BRO

17th December 2008: Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus filed. This is the document that most of this blog’s information comes from.

His federal lawyers were hoping for evidentiary hearings with the hope that exculpatory evidence could be used in further appeals to overturn the convictions.

Second State Habeas Corpus – California Supreme Court

People v. Ramirez, No. S171312, (Cal. Mar. 16, 2009)

16th March 2009: With more evidence, Ramirez was able to file a second state habeas.

Ramirez sadly died waiting for the outcome of these two appeals after 23 years on death row and 27 years in solitary confinement altogether. We will never know whether the Ninth Circuit would have overturned Ramirez’s convictions, but the circuit judges pay less deference to the lower courts. There is however, a precedent for allowing a ‘serial killer’ to go free. In 2010, the Ninth Circuit overturned the Skid Row Stabber’s convictions pending a retrial, but Bobby Joe Maxwell never experienced freedom. He fell into a coma and died before he could be released. The murders remain unsolved. By ‘coincidence’, Maxwell’s crimes supposedly involved ‘satanism’ and the Greyhound bus depot, so often mentioned in Ramirez’s case. Even if Ramirez had the convictions overturned, they would have charged him with the murder of Mei Leung, although he would again be incompetent to stand trial.

-VenningB-

(Originally published 8th March 2024)

129 responses to “Richard Ramirez’s Appeals”

  1. It’s interesting to note that the second State Habeas Corpus had been filed, and as we know, the 2008 Federal one clearly states that the information it contained was incomplete at the time of it’s filing due to Richard’s mental illnesses.

    It’s shocking to me that it took 10 years for the Direct to be filed, and I agree with you, I doubt they even read it. The audacity of blaming him for his useless attorneys, as if it’s OK for a capital case to go ahead when one side is clearly already set up to fail.

    What an unholy mess of a case!

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    1. I also hate when people say “he had appeals and they failed” as if that alone proves his guilt. No, clearly nothing was adequately addressed.

      And if people look in the 2008 petition, they request a de novo review because it wasn’t read before. I know this stuff is tricky and very legalese, but they need to read before being smart arsed on the internet.

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      1. If they find it so tricky to grasp they’d be better off saying nothing at all.
        Do you honestly think many have actually dissected that 2008 HC to even see what was requested? No, of course not.
        It’s usually a case of engaging their gobs first without caring that the brain is still looking for its pants.

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      2. The problem with the internet is it’s given every thicko a voice as their reading comprehension slowly dies. If they ever had it at all.

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      3. Ha ha! So damn true.

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  2. I have a thought about why he chose the Hernandezes; he was worried about his family affording his defense.

    It was so different back in 1985. NO ONE was “on his side” to referee his decision. He didn’t know who to trust. We have so much information in the 21st Century w the Internet it’s hard to understand how such a huge mistake could happen.

    Even tho it is documented Halpin wanted better counsel for Richard, Richie couldn’t comprehend the Law itself or the reason for better lawyers.

    This case really needs to be studied better without the emotional attachment of the publicity.

    IMHO. Thank you so much for your continued hard work and justifying the reason why society SHOULD care.

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    1. His sister Rosa felt pushed by Daniel Hernandez and Manuel Barraza into signing the contract for the film deal. Barraza also tried to turn Ramirez against his first public defenders, Allen Adashek and Henry Hall claiming they wanted the money when it was HIM – they were paid by the state.

      Then according to Carlo, Robert was pressuring him to take the Hernandezes because they were hispanic, and claimed Adashek and Hall were deceiving him with confusing language. Henry Hall felt that Barraza and Rosa were mainly interested in the money. That’s all the paranoid Richard needed – people filling his head with nonsense – just because they were all excited about film deal money. Richard seems very easily manipulated, confused and to be honest, frightened. Understandable, but everyone capitalised on that and it led him to keeping the worst lawyers known to man.

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    2. Luckily cooler heads prevailed and the Hernandezes were seen off the appeals, thank goodness. If it was left up to them we wouldn’t have all the information we do now.

      Halpin was asked by reporters afterwards if he thought Ramirez got a fair trial, he replied “We will have to wait for the appeals..”. He lived in fear that the convictions would be overturned, especially during the San Francisco trial-that-never-happened, because of the violations in the Los Angeles case. He knew, he always knew that he didn’t get a fair trial.

      As for society, if only some could see past his looks, past Netflix and Carlo (and celebrity detectives), maybe, just maybe, we could start to have a sensible dialogue about this case. 

      We live in hope. Thank you for reading and for your support, we greatly appreciate it.

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  3. Thank you. I appreciate your explaining. 

    I agree that Richard was just too confused on finances VS loyalty VS reality. He never had a chance.

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    1. You’re absolutely right, he never had a chance. Not one.

      What does that tell you about justice?

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  4. Bah, imagine being a “Justice” person and your counter argument is to say, “you chose your own lawyers lololol.”

    Nobody wanted to get dirty by acknowledging the FACTS brought up in the appeals because the media would have torn that judge apart. They don’t decide who gets to live or die or be freed. Only the news anchors and some random jurors who watch TV.

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    1. To blame the petitioner for his incompetent counsel just blows my mind.

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      1. Everyone trying to pretend Richard was normal and knew what he was doing …

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  5. Kind of ironic, isn’t it? This Mastermind of Murder can’t figure out someone actually has to pay the bill…

    It’s just heartbreaking no matter what. Including those who truly were victims; they were coerced to just thrown stones at him.

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    1. I always wonder about the victims. Those who clearly changed their description – as bad as his lawyers could be, they often called them out on this. For example Sophie Dickman. She couldn’t keep her story straight at all.

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  6. This case just doesn’t at all make sense, they really are trying to make excuses to making Richard look like he had no problems when clearly the poor guy did! He was alone from the start! He didn’t know what to do so trust the wrong ppl, even showed himself the way the public saw him and not who he truly was! He was truly set up! No justice at all! It’s a joke to justice. I honestly believe now that justice never existed at all and it’s just all in our heads! Poor Richard.

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  7. These judges were just as unprofessional as Tynan was. It seemed like they read only a few pages and decided to formulate their decision from that. If someone is legally mentally incompetent, that means that they are not able to make rational well thought out decisions. The guy was reeling from not having drugs he could barely stand straight let alone decide if his lawyers were fit to represent him or not.

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    1. I’m not even sure they even knew he was incompetent now, although from the footage, it was so obvious.

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      1. Frankly, I don’t think they care. Richard could’ve had the best appellate lawyer in the country help with his appeal and they would have still shot it down. If all the constitutional violations, corruption, and flaws in this case came to light it would look horrible on the American judicial and legal systems that such an atrocity was allowed to occur.

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      2. Yes, there was too much riding on it. If he was acquitted, it would embarrass and globally humiliate three police agencies, the chief of police and county sheriff would have to resign in shame, the district attorney would look stupid for accepting weak evidence, the mayor would look like a goon…no one would be prepared to embarrass themselves for a poor Mexican-descent criminal. If it looked like he was going to be acquitted, I’m sure they would have killed him and made it look like a prison suicide or something.

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      3. I remember someone mentioning that Richard was complaining about the prison food tasting weird and implying that he was possibly being poisoned. It sounds like a tin foil hat theory, but I wouldn’t put it past them to poison him.

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      4. Yes, it’s easy to dismiss this as his psychotic thinking, but I wouldn’t put it past them with all the other weird goings on. Richard kept repeating this “poisoned” story for years too, even telling his psychiatrists about it in 1991, so it wasn’t a passing loony rambling. One was that he passed a pizza to another inmate and he was wheeled out on a gurney hours later…
        There was a woman Amy who used to be part of the true crime community on Twitter. She theorised (after meeting Carrillo) that something deeply sinister went on with this case and that Richard was meant to die before the trial but survived. She ended up a bit shaken after, from what I’ve been told. I wonder where she is and if she still reads this blog. She was making an animated film about Richard.

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      5. That’s so chilling to hear. I hope for the sake of their souls that it’s just a rumor. I wonder if they did a autopsy on Richard after he died. They may not have been able to find evidence of such a thing being done to him. But someone else could’ve been doing the same thing while he was appealing his convictions.

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      6. The death certificate says no autopsy. They biopsied him but they don’t say where. I even find his death cert suspicious because it’s not clear cut. There are always unanswered questions and it creeps me out.

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      7. What do you mean by his death cert not being clear cut? Does it seem forged or something or is information missing?

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      8. Not forged but there are unanswered questions like how it says the onset of his illness was just ‘weeks’, yet Hep C is a slow death when untreated. Lymphomas as well. I understand if he had both or one caused the other that there might be complications, but how can the onset only be weeks?

        Then there are rumours of him being the colour of “highlighter pen”, yet the primary cause of death wasn’t the Hepititis, it was blood cancer, so why did he have jaundice? It also listed chronic substance abuse as a cause of death but he was clean for 27 years, so they obviously allowed Hep C to incubate in his body for years, which is a disgrace as even prisoners deserve medical treatment.

        Then it says his manner death was “pending investigation” but he was never autopsied before it was decided to be “natural.” Weird. Something else sinister. One of the hybristophiles had the killer Richard Allen Davies as a penpal. He wrote that a lot of death row inmates die of “hep c” in quotes as if he is implying that’s not how they really die. And that gave me the chills.

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      9. Wow that’s a lot of discrepancies to not theorize that they may have killed him off. Do you know where I might be able to see the document(s)?

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      10. Its Document 52, attachment 1 on Plainsite.

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      11. Thank you!

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      12. It’s mind blowing to be that with a little Google search you can find this information and yet people still continue to spew all types falsehoods about this case. Ignorance is bliss ig.

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      13. Sometimes I feel like these prisons are encouraged to medically neglect death row prisoners so they don’t have to spend money on executing them.

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      14. Definitely.

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      15. Also, I read a letter from him in the mid-90s where he said “I’m always sick” as well as one from his wife (same era) where she told someone he has been feeling ill but is cheering himself up with drawing. How does someone in solitary confinement keep getting ill?

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      16. I agree it doesn’t make any logical sense. It’s surprising and sad that he held on for as long as he did. I can’t imagine how much pain he was in. It makes me depressed just thinking about it.

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      17. I strongly suspect the biopsy were for the lesions he had – and hid- on his body. In my bones I feel he had them and that’s why he stopped seeing visitors in person. For a man who had such stunning beauty all his life, I’m sure suffering non medicated sores was just another insult in his short life.

        So when we hear the story of him being carried out of prison on a stretcher and his shirt being buttoned up to his chin, we who truly care now know why.

        Still, not having an autopsy is definitely suspicious. And unforgivable.

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      18. I believe people get swollen lymph nodes with B Cell lymphomas don’t they? My cousin had it and had swollen glands on her neck.

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      19. Indeed. That’s why I feel he had them, too.

        I’ll be honest, if there are post motem photos not made public, I don’t think I could handle them. Reading his DC was hard enough.

        Not to mention he was cremated within days. That’s hardly enough time to “refuse” a body pick up.

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      20. No, I think seeing them would make me sick. I’ve seen Bundy and Dahmer’s last photos and felt nothing. But knowing what I know about Richard, I think I’d feel traumatised.

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      21. I haven’t heard from her since she moved to Chile, she had some very interesting tales to tell, though.

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      22. THAT is a very, very important point. It was so different back then. Not only did the court dismiss his own rights, bt Sheriff’s and Baliff’s were allowed to forcibly restrain defendants. More than once Richie was beat by the “Law” outside the courtrooms.

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      23. It’s so sickening.

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      24. I just don’t understand how soemthing like this important should be hidden from the public where they that desperate to seek a monster killer that it didn’t matter who it is they just want a monster?!

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  8. I wish I could bring every one of you back to ’88/’89 w me. OR…keep Mr. Gallegos and just lie about any movie/ book deal. I can not say it enough, it was such a different time then. He never had a chance. Never.

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    1. I was with you in that time, just not in that place. You’re right, he never stood a chance.

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      1. So you KNOW it well. Gotcha. Living here in LA before social media, it WAS THE TRIAL before OJ. He literally entered the coliseum and the public were cheering his demise. It was shameful.

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      2. What was it like living in Night Stalker hysteria? Over here in the UK, the trial wasn’t massive news. It’s not mentioned loads in newspaper archives and people only remember the arrest news and then the conviction.

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      3. That’s a great analogy. Sent into the gladiatorial area, armed only with a wooden sword and his feet tied. It was shameful.

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    2. I wouldn’t be able to tolerate that whole Satanic Panic business. It seems insane

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      1. Humans are far worse than any invented devil. There is nothing more evil than a human.

        Nothing.

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      2. Sometimes people say his crimes are unfathomable. I find this a ridiculous statement. The Night Stalker crime methods are the most common throughout history! People act like murder isn’t common worldwide!

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  9. In 1984, I lived in North East Los Angeles in Eagle Rock. It borders Glassel Park where the Jenny Vincow crime happened.

    My birthday is 9/1/1966, which made me on the edge of 19 August 31, 1985 and I spent it at Disneyland.

    His infamous NBC filmed capture was on LIVE TV. That was a rare event back then. Every broadcast station aired the footage as if ETs had landed.

    My family and I were directly affected by the Night Stalker terror. Literally. My Dad added a fence around our bedroom windows. All women who worked at night had to be escorted to their vehicles by extra security. We just didn’t know what was going on.

    Seeing Richard ìn the back of the squad car all bandaged and bloody, all I could say was, “That’s him?” with disbelieving shock. From that moment on Los Angeles was changed.

    During the next 4 years, he was on the news nightly, in every newspaper daily, and became an infamous one name icon. He was simply known as “that shit Ramirez.” No questions asked.

    We didn’t back then. The Police Chief was a Pope in blue and ALL Law Enforcement were Saints. Sheriff Block was the Wizard of LA. We trusted blindly and quietly. They knew everything. Why have a trial? They said ‘that monster’ did it all. Why have a trial indeed.

    I look back on my youth and those days and just HATE myself for being so physically close to him and I was too naive to understand. Several nights I would be within a mile of the LA County Men’s Central Jail when attending The Phantom of the Opera at the Music Center. I would even serve as a Juror at that very courthouse in later years.

    I started my new career on February 29, 1988. This date has since become an entirely new meaning to me.

    During his joke, I mean, “trial”, women at work in the break room would chatter about how evil he looked. Anywhere you went that had a TV, he was on it. And the media was telling everyone what to believe. Of course he would be found guilty. He was! The media said so.

    And that was that.

    My opinion of Richard didn’t change until very late 2020 when I began my own research on him after watching “Very Scary People”. I wanted to refresh myself on his case. And I’m glad I did.

    Your blog and soon to be book is more than just important; it’s possibly history changing. If the general public actually knew the false witnesses and injustice of the alleged evidence, there would be a shift in perception about him.

    I thank you once again for opening my eyes with your hard work and dedicated fact checking. Thank you for helping me decide for myself.

    Thank you for avenging him with logical explanation, and, most of all, with love.

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    1. Thank you so much for your insight and I can absolutely understand how it must’ve been for you. The media was relentless in it’s desire for revenge and payment in blood. I don’t think you need to hate yourself, the media did it’s job voraciously. I was alive then, too. 17 when he was arrested, but where I am from the news was scant, mostly repeating stuff from the LA Times. In between the arrest and the guilty verdict, there wasn’t much; but I remember reading the huge spread in the paper after his convictions in my then-boyfriend’s kitchen.
      Block became mayor later, didn’t he? Carrillo was disappointed his bid for the job failed.
      Thanks, for your support and for understanding WHY we’re doing this, and why it is important.
      It’s people like you, who are brave enough to speak out, that make it worthwhile.
      *edit* My mistake, it was County Sheriff, not Mayor.

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      1. One more irony: Judge Tynan became an advocate for “Skid Row” defendents. Before his retirement, there was an article about it. I just rolled my eyes away like he did himself.

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      2. Shame it didn’t extend to Richard. Arghhh the injustice of it all!

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      3. Oh I saw that. “The Good Judge”. Give me a break!

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      4. I can’t even imagine the disasters that would’ve ensued if Carrillo became mayor. The balls he has to go for such a position after screwing up so much while working at the LA sheriffs department.

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      5. It was County Sheriff that he wanted to be. He lost in the primary round. Imagine being so arrogant to think that ‘finding a serial killer’ should mean you get to run the entire department!

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      6. Lol that’s even funnier. He probably got tired of not being noticed that’s why he tries to go on every podcast under the sun and attends all types of conferences and tcc get togethers.

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      7. Ahh, that’s it. I thought it was mayor.

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      8. Either way, vain, vain, vain.

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    2. Thanks for your perspective. It’s fascinating. After the book is done, I want to write a fictionalised version so I love hearing the southern Californian perspective on this. I bet these detectives are annoyed that we can so easily use the internet to access files and news reports now. It’s all coming out!

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      1. I think once Carrillo passes, things will shift, and not for the better. This is a MAJOR disgrace to all involved. Thank you for lighting the fuse!

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      2. I think you’re right. It would be funny if it happened during his lifetime though! But we haven’t even reached the stage where he’s questioned about it. I think he only speaks on podcasts if he knows what’s going to be asked. Apparently when someone grilled him in person about blonde suspects and faulty ballistics, (someone inteviewed him regarding a documentary she was making) he got annoyed and shut it down as ‘kids stuff.’ He didn’t engage, said it was all fake and stuck to his script about “kiddie cases” and “sexual deviancy.”

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  10. Exactly. His defense was to offend the inquirer. He’s such a hypocrite for making more money off of Richard’s blood than he did during his career.

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  11. I wish I could’ve written to him or something, but I was like 9 or 10 when he died so that definitely wouldn’t have worked out.

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  12. I just saw this clip of Richard from the interview with the Israeli woman saying that he preferred if they would execute versus keeping him in a cell for the rest of his life. He said that him being free and walking the streets was not a reality that he thought would ever come true. It shatters my heart to hear just how discouraged and distraught he was. He also sounds like he had suicidal ideations, which I believe was also stated in his psych reports. I remember hearing a rumor that he told one of the officers that captured to shoot him or something like that on the day that he was captured.

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    1. I think he always knew, deep down, he was never getting out.

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      1. Yea he wasn’t even answering the question that she was asking. She asked what he does in his cell and he all of sudden he blurted that out. It seems like he wanted people to know he was struggling. It kind of sounded like a cry for help.

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      2. Was this in that new clip or a different bit?

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      3. I think it’s a new clip. I found it on Tumblr this morning it might be on Youtube but I’m not sure.

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      4. Can you post the link here for us, please. If you can.

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      5. Here it is let me know if it works:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgyqTyX2sDo

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      6. Thanks. Omg well that’s really sad.

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      7. Thank you. Heartbreaking. The over nodding is equivalent to his body rocking.
        How is his body language not relevant to his mental health?!? Why was he ignored?

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      8. He’s self-soothing, isn’t he? It’s so sad.

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      9. https://youtu.be/hY1Ic0LhEhA?si=6y9OA3zwe_9YPylg
        The film is called “My Project X”. It’s a Hebrew produced film. I’m currently on the hunt for my own copy.

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      10. Thank you so much for this. We will all be on the hunt now.

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      11. Thanks!

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      12. Wow, that is really sad. Thanks so much for that, I hadn’t been on YouTube since all the fuss about the first new clip. There must be more, where is it coming from originally?

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      13. I honestly don’t know. His fan girls find them somehow and upload them on different social media sites. It’s impressive work ngl.

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  13. It depresses that such a young person with so much potential wasted away in prison suffering for crimes where there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him.

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  14. Someone asked for the clip where the interviewer asked “why did you kill those people?” and he says “No comment. I cannot answer that question at this time.” and smirks. That part from the Insider Edition interview seems heavily edited and I recall hearing a male voice, it almost sounded like Watkiss’s voice. I want to see it really bad.

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  15. My soul cries.

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      1. Thank you. So much. Thank you.

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  16. I found another clip. Idk where they keep getting them.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnPrpNKdEHc

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    1. oh, Della. Hi. I’m LisaBunnie on YT & FB.

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      1. Oh, no I’m not Della lol. I’m just subscribed to a lot of YT channels that post about him. Nice to meet you tho.

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    2. I just posted that, too. I have no idea where it’s coming from, but it’s frustrating there’s no context. I wonder if she has the whole film?

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  17. Yes , I ve read about the Habeas Corpus and the delay s again . I l read it again tomorrow . I have also read all the comments on that section , all comments are from August 24 ..About his illness es in prison , about his fears beeing poinsened there , about his death …about no autopsy …about lwuchter s experiences in L.A. etc….Its really been so heartbreaking again. So I better stop for tonite. ….So good you ve made the blog possible and the book ! It will change thinking patterns ,slowly but surely . Richard !

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    1. It’s often very hard to make sense of it all, there’s so much to process. Thanks for sticking with us and being part of it.

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  18. I ve read it all again and many happenings make me upset , like when he said ” I m always sick ‘ .Sure they gave him food which was contamined or even poisend , the prisoners working in the Kitchen can easily put things like diurethica etc into the food. Ive seen a report on Indiana prison and contamining food seems to be a major problem there ! And.. his hepatitis C was surely completely neglected , allthough it is a very severe disease . Me also felt so bad while reading and reflecting on how his capture was prasented in a life coverage in TV. Plus the Newspaper way of writing. Do you think he had withdrawal Symptoms when we saw him in the courtroom ? Felt sorry for him there too. I thought that you could maybe write something about the role and Power of the Media during and espesially after his Hollywood like capture ? I mean..Mexican Underdog versus US Media he didnt have a Chance….Something like that must never happen again.

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    1. I’m certain he had withdrawal symptoms. I can’t imagine anyone stopping cocaine suddenly and not experiencing significant withdrawal.

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  19. Who decided to make such an almost glamourous , capture scene ? They could have done without Television live recording . ? The chief of L.A. Police? The Gouverneur of L.A / California ? I thougt about that a lot. Maybe they had a plan for something like that long before. To demonstrate the power of law.

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    1. They were determined to make a massive show of this, like a Hollywood movie.

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    2. They wanted the capture of the alleged nightstalker to be as public as possible. It helped cement his presumed guilt.

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      1. The media were fully complicit.

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      2. OMG ..! So they had planned it already? Makes me feel dizzy ..I ve never seen something like that .Thats quite shockin’ to me. What panic must Richard have felt during this hunt..

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      3. In my mind, I can picture him running across freeways, jumping fences, running across yards the day he was arrested, literally running for his life. He knew when he saw his picture on the front page of the newspaper that if he were arrested, his life was over. Anyone living in LA at that time knew that the Nightstalker was despised and feared. And anyone identified as the nightstalker didn’t stand a chance. Richard knew this. It’s incredibly sad. It infuriates me that the thugs that chased him down and beat him over the head the day he was arrested were treated as heroes and given rewards before a single piece of so called evidence had been presented, before a single witness had been called.They shouldn’t have been rewarded.They should have been arrested and charged with assault. I feel so sad for Richard. It really hurts my heart that he went through all of that, and no one even cared. They treated him like he was disposable. I sometimes think, “What if he had gotten a car and made it to Mexico?” Would we have ever heard of him ?

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      4. Definitely “Wild West” & “Street Justice” on Live TV.

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  20. Oh well …actually it doesn t matter . But I think its better not to send pictures like this .

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  21. And when Richard was still on cocain at that time he surely had withdrawal symptoms. But did they test him on that ? I don t know about this ….I hope they did .

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    1. I have always wondered whether they gave him something for this. Coming off drugs abruptly is dangerous.

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      1. I’m going to say they most likely didn’t. Since cocaine withdrawal isn’t typically life threatening and most symptoms decrease within a few weeks after discontinuing, they likely let him suffer through it. The main things that are dangerous to stop abruptly are alcohol and benzodiazepines. You can have seizures and die from these types of withdrawal. Opioids also cause a lot of adverse symptoms when stopped abruptly. Methadone or clonidine are used to help. But I doubt they do so in jail or prison.

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    2. They may have done a drug screening, but I doubt it. He would have had to consent to it, and i don’t think he would have. Also, I doubt they really cared about what he had been using. It’s not as though they were going to give him anything to prevent withdrawal symptoms, since with cocaine withdrawal, they aren’t typically life threatening.

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  22. Do you think he had to consent to ANY thing back in the 80ies? I’m thinking not. After all, he was pre convicted before any trial.

    I’m sure he suffered thru withdrawals very painfully. . In fact, there is one court appearance with his original Public Defenders where it looks like he needs to be held up just to make a plea. I’ll send the pic of the one I mean.

    Who knows what was done to him back then. I’ll only believe him and he hasn’t answered his Ouija mail lately.

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    1. You make a good point. What I basically meant is that I doubt he would have voluntarily given a urine or blood sample. And I don’t think law enforcement cared what drugs he had been taking or what he was withdrawing from.

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  23. During his capture he also got this head wound and his wrist …in addition presumably drug withdrawl . And when Dr Vicary questioned him he did not cooperate as he feared to be sent to a mental hospital and get electro shocks there. This is ( was ) all such a nightmare ! And the capture recordings are ( nearly ) unbearable.They did such an incredible effort and impressive show for just one person .

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  24. His capture also infuriates me and gives me a dizzy feeling and everytime I take the courage to watch it once more I don t have words . And then I remember this Netflix hypocrits with their cheap attitude to not say anything about Richard Ramirez , in order to not worship him . What a logic. Didnt work though .

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    1. I feel the same about it. It’s awful, knowing what we know about him.

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  25. Yesterday I ve read a lot in Plain Site again , mainly the evauation of Dr. Anne Evans …I read that they have tested him also with MMP2 …..I m not a fan of this test either …He had to go through a lot of testing , but this is inevitable in his case with such a list of accusations . After reading I felt that they really knew he had cognitive impairment ..but no one really intervened …It s not easy to understand all this … And …He was all alone ! ( maybe Doreen could talk this over with him a bit ) !?

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    1. It had to have been very stressful for him.

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  26. And when he had these examinations he was never handcuffed , the rooms were locked but his hands were free. I find this soo remarkable. Dr Anne Evans seemed not to be afraid of him. She wasn t amused that he touched her breast while they waited for the guard to let them out , but she didnt make any drama out of it.

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    1. He was such a dangerous person that they didn’t even handcuff him during his many appointments with medical or legal professionals.

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    2. if i am not wrong are you referring to a video clip? where did you watch it?

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      1. I think we were discussing the interview with the Israeli woman, if you scroll right back to around 11th August the link is there.

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  27. But .. its possible he was handcuffed..Not too sure about this actually .

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    1. He would likely have been handcuffed when he was taken out of his cell, that’s normal, but it’s a possibility that he wasn’t cuffed during these tests. The minimal footage we have of him during his media interviews shows he’s not cuffed at that point.
      In reading what is said of the tantrums he threw with his lawyers – striding around, waving his arms, etc, that also sounds like he wasn’t cuffed. His lawyers don’t seem to have been particularly scared during these moments, more frustrated and exasperated.

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      1. Oh ..I had written a elaborated comment on the evaluations of his examinations …and the handcuffs ..but its gone …haha ..what happened ..haha. Just gone. But ..in short again He was Not handcuffed …there were various situations where it was obvious that he wasnt handcuffed , I m sure . That means he wasnt dangerous .I find that soo remarkable that he was Not handcuffed .

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      2. Your other comment is there.
        Yes, I agree with you.

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  28. When he was with his laywers he was not handcuffed as well , right . Because he could wave his hands , arms , just as you said !

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  29. And , when I think about his capture its actually clear that , in the condition he was in when they questioned him at Hollenbeck police , its like he was under shock. So , no matter what he said , it was not usable because under shock .

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  30. There is an edit called Doreen and Richard on You Tube. Friend of mine made some comments …Its not so easy .But …

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  31. But …its incredible … LOL.

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  32. His appeals were dismissed as soon as he died. His main 2008 federal appeal lawyer was Sean Bolser among others. For his 2006 direct appeal and first state habeas, it was Geraldine Russell and Nicholas Arguimbau. His public defender from the 90s until his death was Michael Burt.

    Recently, I found a document that said “appeal is moot – press reports that petitioner has died” and it made me sad. But yes, his death seemed unexpected. The media go on about him having hepatitis C, liver failure and jaundice but his death certificate lists lymphoma as his actual cause of death and the onset was within weeks – yet these are illnesses that can be in your body for years…

    Yes, Carrillo stood for Sheriff and lost in an early round, the primaries I think. He was never going to win against Sherman Block. He really must have fancied himself as a hero. I’ve also thought the same regarding Salerno taking out Italians and Carrillo taking down a Mexican. I once joked that it was their initiation ritual so they could be elevated to ‘hero cop’ status.

    Carrillo always seems to relish talking about child molestation and abduction. It’s always the focus. We once communicated with someone who met him, and she said he kept twisting the conversation back to that stuff.

    I don’t think Richard cared much about his appeals. The lawyers couldn’t communicate effectively with him anyway, so he just went through the motions of it. I speculate that he kept flipping in the beginning from saying he was innocent to saying he did it because he wanted to die. I don’t think he realised how lengthy California appeals are and assumed his death sentence would be expedited.

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    1. i don’t want to make theories up but isn’t convenient that he suddenly got sick and passed away when this 2008 habeas corpus was waiting to be appealed (this thought just popped up in my mind randomly). i hope he is resting in peace, it’s been 12 years now

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      1. Everything around 2008/2009 appears ‘convenient’, if you consider it.

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  33. That’s why he was never fit to stand trial. And I know he was terrified about going into a mental facility as his sentence. Sadly, looking back, being held in a mental health correctional institute would have been far healthier and beneficial for him. He never would have been rehabilitated, but he would have gotten treatment and would have a chance of supervised “freedom” instead of being in a cage for those 28 years.

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