“Cupcake Cindy”

This is another aspect of the Night Stalker case that descends into the realms of the absurd. It is well-known that Ramirez had many admirers during the trial and beyond. One was a juror, Cynthia “Cindy” Haden. Haden started as an alternate juror. According to Philip Carlo’s book, on Valentine’s Day 1989, the female jurors brought in sweets for the judge, which hardly seems appropriate, but perhaps California is different… Haden went one better and baked cupcakes, adorned with “I love you” in icing. She asked a bailiff to give one to Richard Ramirez, who obliged. Ramirez ate it and they got on with discussing the horrific Zazzara case. Bon appetite…

Big Carrillo is Watching

Carlo repeatedly mentions how Gil Carrillo, Frank Salerno and prosecutor Philip Halpin heard about the cupcake “incident” and Carrillo began monitoring her, which is raised four times in his book. This could of course be dramatisation of the main ‘characters’ thoughts, as parts of Carlo’s book read like fiction. First, Carrillo was thankful that Haden was not on the actual jury – if she had developed a crush, she could potentially cause a hung jury.

“Gil Carrillo watched Cynthia closely to see if she communicated with Richard in any way. If she did, he’d have her thrown off the jury. The Valentine incident did not sit well with Sheriff’s Homicide.”

Carlo, pg. 290.

A juror is entitled to cause a hung jury if they wish. It is not for detectives in the public gallery to interfere. God forbid someone should sympathise with Richard Ramirez, although their conclusion should come from evidence and not lust. Every time a juror was dismissed, Carlo writes that Carrillo feared Haden would take their place because her stares made them “uneasy.” Eventually, Carrillo’s fears came to fruition, when juror Fernando Sendejas was dismissed after Ramirez freaked out at him knowing a witness – his former public defender Allen Adashek (even though Adashek was testifying for the defence, Ramirez told a psychiatrist that Adashek shared information with the District Attorney, therefore they were colluding against him). Ramirez’s paranoia often caused problems, as we shall see). Cindy Haden took Sendejas’ place and according to Carlo quoted Ramirez as saying of the grinning Haden, “She looks like she won the fucking lottery.”

Ever salacious, Carlo’s book focuses on groupie rivalry and also frequently mentions the disapproval of Ramirez’s future wife, Doreen Lioy. Lioy believed Haden was up to no good and was eventually proved correct. Luckily for Gil Carrillo, his fears were unfounded: Cindy Haden was too weak to stick to her conviction that he had been railroaded, and despite her supposed questioning looks described by Carlo, she voted for Ramirez’s guilt. Later, she claimed to have been invited to the prosecutor’s office, where Philip Halpin and Alan Yochelson thanked her for the verdict. She subsequently discovered she was the only juror who had been personally thanked. It seems unlikely that a busy prosecution team would be monitoring the gazes of a juror throughout a long and arduous trial. Who was watching her and reporting back?

Haden Votes for the Gas Chamber

At the penalty phase, Cindy Haden voted for Ramirez to be executed, while apparently – according to Carlo – crying and mouthing “I’m sorry.” Proving once and for all that irrational people were allowed on this jury, she was one of several who drew childish little pictures on their decision papers. Haden’s was a tombstone, with a heart.

Despite failing to cause a hung jury, Haden claims she suddenly found the courage to confront Ramirez’s attorneys, Daniel Hernandez and Ray Clark after the trial, when she should have raised this in deliberation. First she “laid into” Hernandez for omitting Ramirez’s fixation with Satan, suggesting this was mitigating evidence. Haden believed that Ramirez was “possessed by some demonic force.” While it is true that his mental illnesses should have been used in mitigation, perhaps the defence wished to distance themselves from that aspect because of the pentagrams at the crime scenes. It is unclear why Haden thought that Ramirez’s beliefs would save him from a guilty verdict. And it seems that the jurors themselves also believed in this occult mumbo jumbo, so was Ramirez any different? When Haden asked Clark about the lack of evidence at the penalty phase and how they had “sold him down the river”, he simply blamed Ramirez for being stubborn, when the court had given the attorneys permission to override him. Haden had the temerity to write to Ramirez to apologise for sending him to the gas chamber and he, the “evil serial killer” forgave her.

Chasing Richard Ramirez

What follows reads like a corny teenage hybristophile’s fanfiction: Haden who had now apparently filled her room with photos of Ramirez, began travelling up to San Francisco to visit him, sometimes camping out in her car all night to be first in the queue. She even brought her parents to meet him and eventually moved to the city. After being made redundant from her job, Haden trained as a private investigator through a security firm and inveigled her way into his new lawyers’ offices. She claims (in Carlo’s book) that she charmed one of his public defenders (probably Randall Martin) into allowing her to speak to Ramirez in private. The book goes on to detail how, unbeknownst to his lawyer, she touched Ramirez’s thigh with her foot under the table, and when the attorney left the room, took the opportunity to kiss and fondle an affection-starved Ramirez – something she claimed happened often.

Dr Anne Evans’ psychiatric report mentions that Ramirez had also tried for several months to have Haden appointed as a “paralegal,” and blames Ramirez’s delusions, but this ingratiation seems to have been initiated by Haden manipulating him into believing she was the key to his freedom (from the Declaration of Dr Anne Evans, Document 16-7).

Cindy Haden was a negative distraction. Ramirez’s paranoia grew to a degree that he became convinced that Randall Martin – and a private investigator hired by Martin – had both had sex with Haden when they had travelled to meet her in Los Angeles. This led Ramirez to file a Marsden motion to have him fired from the case. Ramirez’s appellate lawyer attempted to convince him to stick with Martin – a highly competent defence attorney. Despite Ramirez’s respect for the appeal lawyer’s judgement, his Cindy-shaped delusions gained the better of him. He abused Randall Martin on his answering machine, in a “bizarre”, “hysterical” and “infantile” manner. Martin felt he could no longer work with Ramirez and ceased to represent him.

Cindy the Talkshow Star

Ramirez believed Haden could assist with his appeals, However, her television appearances had the opposite effect. On the Geraldo Rivera talkshow, the host referred to Ramirez as a “butcher” and said he had a “dreadful side”. Haden could have explained that Ramirez might have been innocent – that if he had been given a fair trial and a competent defence team, he might have been acquitted. Instead, she attempted to justify her attraction to Ramirez by stating “That’s just one side of him” and “everybody has a dreadful side.”

Cynthia “Cindy” Haden on the Geraldo show. Randall would never…

For balance, Judith Arnold, the daughter of Max and Lela Kneiding, spoke on the phone. Haden appeared to roll her eyes. Rivera said, “you sat on that jury; you saw the evidence.” Haden could have said there was no scientific evidence to tie Ramirez to the Kneiding crime scene (which was known in court – a “bloody shirt” tested negative) but instead, she weakly replied, “Yes, I did,” before adding, with wide eyes and a giggle, that she looks “beyond that.” Perhaps she was nervous in the studio, but she came across as vacant, simple and trying to make weak excuses for falling in love with a sick killer. To a victim’s family, this is highly insulting.

Haden repeated unconvincingly that Ramirez did not have a fair trial. A lawyer, Robert Bryan, who assisted Ramirez’s Habeas Corpus lawyers spoke from the audience and challenged her on voting for the death penalty despite her misgivings. When Bryan agreed with her that the jury heard insufficient evidence for reasonable doubt, Geraldo Rivera spoke over him. He might not have done this had Haden made a convincing argument.

When asked by Rivera if she believes Richard Ramirez almost cut Max Kneiding’s head off, she evaded the question and said, “I convicted him.” After much inane giggling to an outraged audience, she went on to portray him as someone with an anger management problem that he has learned to control. She refused to answer whether she would like to see him freed.

Haden “looks beyond” throat slashing and shooting faces off…

Not content with humiliating herself the first time, Haden went on another episode of Geraldo where she was asked why his crimes do not make her hate him. “I don’t hate him… I don’t agree with what he did in any way, shape or form.” This time the Kneidings’ granddaughter Robin Sandoval joined her in the studio. Presumably, the family was chosen because Haden lived close to them in Glendale. Sandoval believes Ramirez was guilty because her grandparents’ belongings were found with Ramirez’s fence, Solano. Haden could have explained that Solano was impeached for lying, (albeit inadequately) that another witness claimed he was beaten into telling the police the property had come from Ramirez and that some jurors felt he was shady. She could have explained that the defence performed poorly and there were unanswered questions, like witnesses who never showed up. However, Haden sat there expressionless; the only evidence of her being something other than a bot sent out to passively destroy Ramirez’s appeals was the occasional blink.

On a further show, she said of his crimes, “he does it because he likes it; he likes doing it. He enjoys it. he’s really opened my eyes to the darker side of the world. She added that should he be freed, he would revert to “exactly what he did before; like you have a job, I have a job; he has a job. His job is killing people. That’s what he was trained to do.”

Haden on another documentary

Perhaps this statement was jealous revenge after Ramirez had proposed to Doreen Lioy. Whatever her purpose, she paints herself as was nothing but an attention-seeking hybristophile who manipulated Ramirez into thinking she could help him on the case, just to gain access to his body.

-VenningB-

56 responses to ““Cupcake Cindy””

  1. All of the jurors were biased and a bit dim, if you ask me. I get that the prosecution fed the jury lies and misleading information. But still, things just didn’t/don’t add up and it doesn’t take a genius to sort that out. And Cindy cupcake was the worst in my opinion. She could have actually made some valid points during those interviews. Instead, she made obtuse statements and googly-eyes!
    In one breath she said Richard didn’t get a fair trial, and then she said he deserved death! How does anyone that didn’t get a fair trial deserve death? That makes no sense. Then she changed careers so she could “help” him! Really? What happened with that? She had no true interest in helping him. She only sought to feed her infatuation. She’s pathetic! Great post!

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    1. Yeah, I know we have much more information than those jurors because we have access to what *should* have been his defence. But some of them admitted to having questions – reasonable doubt – and still voted for death. I suppose they felt under pressure by the state, but it was someone’s life. I guess they weighed up that he wasn’t worth much. Weak simpletons.
      Cindy seems educationally subnormal. She’s talking but the lights aren’t on. Robotic gaping mess of a woman.

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      1. Yes we definitely have more information. I feel like they had enough to see there was reasonable doubt though.

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      2. I agree because in their statements, one mentions blood samples. Several mention the blonde suspect. In Carlo’s book, he says at least two others believed he was being railroaded. One thought Solano was suspicious, they all commented on the bad lawyers. They knew.

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  2. This woman disgusts me with her weird, creepy behaviour.
    After Juror Singletary was murdered she was crying “We’re all going to be popped off one by one”.. by a man in chains, locked up in LA County Jail. No matter that it was Singletary’s boyfriend, there’s always time for histrionics.
    Her motives were only ever to get close enough to touch him, and she did so much damage in the process.

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    1. I’ve mentioned that in the book version. they’re all nutty and screaming about demons.

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      1. I know, and it’s true, they were hysterical idiots.

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  3. I hate how she wanted to help him with his appeals yet thinks he’s guilty and it seems to be all about “we didn’t see mitigation”. If you believe he did those terrible things and begin a prison romance with him you’ve got a criminal fetish and nothing more. I don’t believe she’s some stickler for rules and fairness. She didn’t have the decency to explain it to the Kneiding family and may as well have said “sorry he killed your parents but dang look at those cheekbones”

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    1. She went to a hell of a lot of trouble just to be able to grope a handcuffed man.

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  4. csmutny06cae8b36d Avatar
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    I just watched the documentary, the ending of where Cindy talks about Richard, he would have committed the same crimes again, he had a job to do, etc., talk about two- faced, nevermind she looks crazy! How was she going to help him when she couldn’t even answer a question logically..(the Kneighting’s daughter, sorry if it’s spelled incorrectly). Frank Salerno is another one, when he says he hopes to live long enough to see Ramirez executed, guess you shouldn’t wish anyone death. The whole case is a cluster f***!

    “Cindy Cupcake”, now that’s funny!

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    1. Cindy “Cupcake” Haden had enough opportunities to discuss the trial and why she felt he was railroaded. Instead, she wasted airtime, looked like an airhead and gave no rational explanations.

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  5. Ok, I have a question. Sorry, very out of context, but I don’t where and who else I can ask. So, I am a subscriber and I was getting notifications about new articles on my email.
    A few months ago I stopped getting notifications. I was surprised there were so many new articles and I’ve got none of them on my email. I tried to unsubscribe and subscribe again, but It didn’t help.

    Maybe you know what’s the problem and how can I fix it?

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    1. Hello Lusine, I had noticed we hadn’t seen you for a while. I do not know why you aren’t getting notifications; I don’t always get them. I presume it’s some glitch, and I am sorry you’ve missed the articles. I suspect we’ll slow down as we’re near Christmas, but we have four in drafts currently being worked on. Look out for them in the New Year.

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      1. Thank you, dear Jay. I will try to fix this problem. Although I didn’t change anything in my settings, but sometimes I can’t figure out how internet works…

        Can you please tell me how many articles have you published after the one about clothes? I would really appreciate it.

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      2. Ok, I will list them for you.
        False Confessions, Family Matters, Part 2, A Web of Informants, Parts 5 and 6, Murder in Lake Merced, Ballistics Bollocks, There will be a Book, The Orange County Attack, Cupcake Cindy and A Cloak of Competence.
        Enjoy!

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  6. Oh, thank you! I Appreciate your effort so much!
    I’ll try to read them all as quick as I can, to catch up with you again 😅

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  7. Dealing with Ramirez “fan girls” is really a very unpleasant and unsettling experience.

    You may think you’re doing them a favour trying to show them that their “loved one” was not a monster. How do they react? They get histerical, they hate you, they don’t trust you, they want you to stay away from their community, like you ruined their dream. On one hand, I think it’s obvious for everyone who is a little logical about Investigations, that something’s severely wrong with this case, but they never research. On the other hand, they are a few, who did a research, but they say – with all I’ve seen, i still think he did most of the crimes. You ask why? They reply it’s their instinct, intuition etc. I’ve seen some stories they wrote about Ramirez, and they’re portraying him as a monster. Why you would love such a disgusting monster, if you’re not a one by yourself?
    I wonder if they understand themselves that they WANT him to be a serial killer. It’s not even about his looks, but the fact that majority of these women are Hybristophiliacs. They get off by the thought of crimes, they write some remarkable comments like “it makes him hotter” or “it turns me on that he did it” etc. They think of it as a life achievement Ramirez had and refuse to accept him without that.
    I’m not saying the 100 percent of them is like this, but 99 percent is.

    I’m not surprised this cindy didn’t want to help Richard Ramirez to wash away the brand of serial killer from his name. She’s the example of the worst kind of these “women in love”. There’s something about her that makes me sick to the bottom of my guts. What surprises me is that you could be a juror in such an important court while being a complete wackadoo.

    I know it’s not a good feeling when someone has a pity for you and I know Ramirez would not like it, but sometimes i feel so pity for him: this man was severely unlucky.

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    1. Exactly this, all this! When I first found out about Ramirez, I thought “this is huge. Why don’t people care” but it’s because it’s their fetish. Like you said, it ruins their dream.

      They can never explain what crimes he did. Take away one and they all fall like dominoes.

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      1. Yes. You may think that those girls are perfect to spread the information about him, but reality crushes your expectations so harsh. Their behaviour is beyond my understanding…

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      2. The first time I began posting blog links, one of them told me to get out of their community. I hadn’t gone into their “community”. I’d merely posted on my own account, which is about all my writing. They had approached me! I’ve never been part of a true crime community. They just assumed and had a tantrum. When someone tells me to shut up, I’ll only shout louder.

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      3. Ahh, Venning, dear, I’m sorry you had that experience! I’m sorry for the nerves you lost.
        Forgive them, they are in the asylum: they’ve lost their minds “thinking about Richie baby all the time ❤

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      4. But you did much more for him, than all of them, so keep doing what you do.

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      5. Oh that whole episode was nuts!

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    2. I remember the people calling us deranged on Twitter. Deranged for tying together legal documents and news articles? None of what we post is made up. Even our theories that have never been said elsewhere (to my knowledge) are supported by what we believe is evidence. These same people share photos of the bodies. That’s deranged.

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      1. Deranged? What a hysterical nonsense!
        the sad truth is – majority of people just don’t have critical thinking. And you should never take their words seriousely, it’s bad for health.

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    3. I’ve seen people agree it was a ‘kangaroo court’ while simultaneously agreeing with some else that “he’s still guilty”. Do they not realise that kangaroo court means a show trial with no evidence? An unfair trial renders the conviction null and void. So how can he still be guilty? What part of the trial was unfair if they still believe he did it? If the evidence is bull, then he ‘didn’t’ Simple as that.

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      1. I’m more than sure, that it’s just all about their sexual fetish. just like for a normal woman or man it’s upseting to find out their loved one is a serial killer, for these “unnormal” ones it works vice versa.

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  8. I agree with everything you’ve said here. The comments from the “fans” can be sickening.

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    1. 99% of “in love”s are just sick people

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      1. Yes they are. Getting off on crime scene photos is abhorrent.

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      2. Sad and true. I came to the conclusion that those people just want to do those kind of things themselves, but don’t have enough carriage. That’s why they go crazy by the thought of crimes someone did or allegedly did.

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      3. We’ve had our run-ins with them. They are beyond help, and now we ignore them.

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      4. You’re right. It’s just a waste of energy and time.

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  9. You’d think they’d be interested in the inconsistencies in the case, but no, if it isn’t “sex and Satan” they actually don’t care. Beyond help. Thick and sick.

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    1. Experience shows clearly – you shouldn’t waste your time on them. They can do nothing helpful.

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      1. True story. Don’t worry, we don’t. 😉

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  10. To be honest I’ve “met” some that saw some gaps in the trial and felt sorry for Ramirez. If you want to know the number – 2 people…

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    1. Ha ha! I can believe it. We’ve met a couple more than that, but not many more. Of course some are scared to speak out and go along with the crowd. But there ARE many unanswered questions and holes in the case.

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      1. 2 feel sorry – 222 are turned on.

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      2. Ha ha! That made me laugh, and it’s so true.

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  11. I actually ended up seeing a lot of the “fan girl” stuff, for a reason that turned out to be a waste of time in that context: I wanted to see if I could find some more people who knew about the problems in this case. Because I was thinking, “Out of all these women who are attracted to him, can’t I find any who know about this??” It just seems like logic would tell you that if someone finds him attractive, there would be a higher chance of that person believing that he was wrongfully convicted rather than being a hybristophiliac. I mean, how many hybristophiliacs can there possibly be?? But over and over again, that was what I saw.

    And then to hear about them getting angry when presented with this evidence… One thought I had was that if they’re looking for a “bad boy,” they could always focus on the fact that he was a self-proclaimed Satanist who was stealing cars, jewelry, etc… I mean, that isn’t enough to fulfill their “bad boy” needs? They need him to be a rapist and murderer too?? But of course, if hybristophilia is a mental illness that causes people to be attracted to that kind of thing, then I guess they do need that. And I’ve sometimes thought that if this is a mental illness then I should cut them some slack; HOWEVER, 1) the fact is that the things they put online are very offensive to victims of these types of crimes, and 2) if they are going to participate in obscuring the facts of this case, just for the sake of preserving their fantasy, then they have crossed a line!

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    1. We’ve discovered that trying to take away their fetish for murder ends in their wild hysterical screeches. They’re not worth it.
      How many truly have the mental illness known as hybristophilia is hard to guess, but they actually have very little interest in the trial itself. It’s made it hard for those with a genuine interest to freely discuss it.

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      1. Yes, their glorification of killers has led to blanket bans on social media for anyone discussing the case, as if saying Richard was not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is some kind of holocaust denial.

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    2. I’ve read in amd heard in many sources that Richard was far from being that popular among women, before being arrested. That explains a lot. I believe in that, cause majority of women who “love” Ramirez, refuse to see him as non-murderer.

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      1. Yeah, his ‘friend’ Earl Gregg said he was too shy to ask girls out! I think he was a loner and too much of a mess for women to go near.

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      2. Yes. If you look at him – he was really very pretty and charismatic. I honestly think he could have been a great model, but surprisingly it’s true – 99 percent of women love him for the crimes.

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  12. She looked like a confused idiot, and just wanted to take advantage of him, making him believe that she would help him. I’ve seen a picture of her elder.

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    1. Cindy’s in the papers both during and after the trial; then she’s on TV. In fact she’s everywhere. One might think she enjoyed the attention.

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  13. This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read; I’d go as far as to say “only in America,” but clownfiestas like this one could really happen in any country, it’s just appalling that it’s allowed to happen near or in a courtroom.

    I already find it incredibly obsolete to have a jury decide on life or death matters, those people basically vote for the least worse argumentation, but they don’t care if the case itself is wobbly.

    Cupcake Cindy shouldn’t have been allowed to be a juror or anywhere near Ramirez during or after this circus. She’s clearly not ok, not because she may have liked him but because she can’t even hold one train of thoughts, and anyway in what world are you allowed to give cupcakes to the man you’re supposed to judge?

    Also, I don’t know if it’s just me, but I wonder if anything of what she says is even true. The whole groping and fondling and Ramirez’s tantrums post that. Wasn’t this guy particularly shy or awkward around women? Sounds to me like everyone just wanted their share of Ramirez for gossip, for money, for fantasies. Carrillo, Falzon, the groupies, they all had their own version of what kind of person he was and told different stories, and if you put them together to try to understand who Richard Ramirez was you’d just find a bunch of contractions.

    What do you want, a hot assassin to save but you don’t actually want him and it’s best he stays behind bars? Ask the groupies.

    You want the killer, the pedophile, the Satanist? Ask Carrillo.

    You want the truth? Ah, no, sorry, we don’t do that.

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    1. Yeah I’ve wondered about Cindy’s claims. They smell like fan-fiction to me. And is it likely that his lawyers walked out for so long that she would touch him? Where were the guards? I wonder when they fell out because she never made statements for the appeals. Perhaps he read the Carlo book and realised she too was lying about him because I can’t find anything about their friendship beyond the early 90s.

      I don’t want to get into family claims as we (mostly) stick to the legal stuff, but there are many contradictions there too. One example is how Robert said his brother was homeless. Yet his ex wife and daughter claim the family thought he’d made them rich from the spoils of his crimes. How can both be true? We know his family tried to bring him home from L.A. because he was in a mess, so I don’t believe anyone mistook him for a success.

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      1. They also claim that this “success” was eating out of bins..

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      2. Fanfiction is the right word! That’s exactly what she sounds like.

        I graduated from law school in Switzerland, and we did have some comparative law professors teach us about the US legal system and other countries. Either way, when you study big cases everyone seemed to agree on one thing; visiting or interrogating suspects always happen under supervision and with a huge table to properly distance the lawyer/visitor from the suspect, and when there’s no guard in the room there’s usually a camera. Unless LA in the 80s was particularly lax in this regard, I fail to imagine Cindy being able to do what she says she did with no witness to confirm.

        As for his family, what can I say, it’s very much just speculation or interpretation at least. I imagine that at first, if Richard did go back to El Paso to visit bringing some money, his family assumed that things were going well for him, only to later realize that it wasn’t the case.

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    2. You’re quite right, this whole case is a mess. Ramirez is different things to different people, and no one can possibly know who or what he was deep inside.
      There’s a great quote: “A jury is a group of people who get to decide who has the best lawyer”. That’s the truth of it.

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  14. But yeah, I haven’t studied any other country’s legal system (not even mine; I’m in the UK) but America’s seems particularly awful. I’ve found loads of stories of unprofessional lawyers and courtroom clownery.

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      Elizabeth Kaemmerling

      One time he came back to El Paso in a big limousine .smiling ..He looked like a Star and acted like one. His brother Robert found that very funny. There were no girls around , just Richard in that big Limousine..and he enjoyed that very much .
      Some time later he came and had the trunk full of fire Works for 500 Dollars .
      Richard and Robert went to their places in the desert and used All the Firework at once . And they had big fun.
      Richard csme fairly regulary to Visit his fsmily …So.. there was a bond between them . PLUS He was quiete young still.

      The Hystrophilias …I cant take them serious…never could. It s a waste of time to me…and I find the whole Issue only boring .
      Cindy Haden …she had the ADVENTURE
      OF HER LIFE ..
      Actually …I am much more Interested in
      Doreen s role.

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      1. The “hybristophiles” and “fan girls” are not worth wasting any energy on, that’s for sure. Their behaviour makes discussing this case more difficult than it already is. They spread misinformation with impunity.

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