“Murder Clothes” – The Myth of the Night Stalker’s Appearance

We have examined the eyewitness descriptions and composite sketches of the Night Stalker many times on this site but we have never really discussed his clothes. The Night Stalker is a caricature. He invaded in the dark, clad in black from head to foot. He wore a “black Members Only type jacket”, dark baseball caps and most famously, black Avia sneakers. Victims only briefly glimpsed him under lights as he examined their jewellery or shone a torch, sneaked inside their garage, or lurked inside dark cars. But what did the surviving victims actually say in their police statements? Were their assailants really so shadowy? (Other discrepancies with the suspect’s physical appearance shall be put aside for this post). All police statements can be found in Petition supporting Document 20-3.

Maria Hernandez said he wore a black jacket, white shirt, dark trousers/pants.

The Yu witnesses, described the following attire:

Witness 1: Light blue shirt and light blue pants.

Witness 2: Black jacket. His other clothes were not described.

Carol Kyle: leather jacket, black and tan checked shirt, black pants, black gloves and a loose belt with big silver holes. Yes, the rapist’s jacket was black, but it does not quite fit with the image of the Night Stalker as a walking shadow.

From Carol Kyle

Sophie Dickman did describe someone in all black, but she could not keep her story straight. From her police statement: black leather jacket, dark jeans, black hi-top sneakers and black mesh gloves.

Dickman’s first statement

The following is from the Petition (pp. 78-79): black clothing, black hi-top sneakers with a white line around the sole. The mesh gloves have been changed to black leather with ridges.

In Philip Carlo’s book (pg. 310), he states that Dickman was challenged in court over a third police statement in which she claimed her attacker was dressed as a hiker or mountain climber!

Somkid Khovananth said her husband’s killer wore brown pants and a multicoloured shirt (pg. 87 of the Petition). In Philip Carlo’s book it is described as a blue shirt with multicoloured patterns. This is ironic, because the Khovananth Incident was the case where detectives really emphasised his dark clad appearance, including on the ‘wanted poster’.

Closer

The Petersens. Despite chasing the ‘Night Stalker’ around the home, Christopher Petersen could not identify the suspect. Virginia Petersen is another who changed her story, although she did see someone in all black, apparently wearing a turtleneck shirt. At first, she could barely make out his hands and assumed he was wearing white gloves as there was a strong demarcation between the arms and hands. Later, she gave a detailed description of his fingers and claimed there was a light source to enable this which was proved impossible.

The final survivor is Sakina Abowath, the victim who first described a BLONDE MAN. He was wearing blue jeans and according to Carlo’s book, big stompy boots that took a long time to lace up. Kinney Stadia shoeprints were supposedly discovered at the scene, but evidence has not been sufficiently demonstrated.

The Myth

While Richard Ramirez did prefer dark clothes, the source of the all-in-black image seems to be Detective Gil Carrillo and he talks about it wherever he is invited. He repeatedly claims that all victims, including the child abductees, described the man in black with dishevelled hair and bad teeth. It is false information. Nevertheless, he had been pursuing someone who dressed in black from the start, which was why he targeted Arturo Robles.

In this podcast, around the 1:18:00 mark, he claims that the Task Force referred to the Night Stalker’s black costume as his “kill kit”, “killer outfit” and “murder clothes” and they were exclusively worn for the purpose of “dirty deeds.” Preposterously, he insists that they were stored in Ramírez’s Greyhound Bus Depot locker “that stunk like shit” because they were covered in the blood of the victims. But no police report, appeal petition, newspaper article or book corroborates this. No massively incriminating, smelly, blood encrusted clothes were submitted as evidence by the prosecution. A bag and a leather jacket were removed from the locker, but there was no blood. Carrillo was not in charge of raiding the locker, so this “pungent” “shit” smell is a figment of his imagination.

As mentioned in various posts in our CRIMES category (and here), three pairs of incidents occurred on the same nights. 30th May (Kyle & Bell/Lang) 7th July (Nelson & Dickman), and 20th July (Kneiding & Khovananth). None of the survivors reported that their attacker was covered in blood. If he was wearing a blue/multicoloured shirt as Somkid Khovananth said, then surely it would be at least spattered – the Kneidings were left in a terrible state. Surely the tan and black shirt Carol Kyle saw would be smeared with reddish-brown stains. In other posts we have discussed the complicated diversions the killer would have needed to take for a shower and change of clothes. Dumping them at a bus depot is no more plausible. The depot was always busy, and no one reported a man bundling bloody shirts into his locker. We are hesitant to directly accuse people of lying on this blog, for libel reasons, but there is no point in dissembling: Carrillo’s blood-sodden black “kill kit” is a proven whopping lie.

But at some point, he must have truly believed it, because when he went searching for the enigmatic Avia sneakers, he was only able to buy a white pair – he assumed the black ones did not exist… so… he dyed his pair black. This sounds absurd, so here is a video of him actually saying it.

Credit to Joseph Giacalone. Watch it here.

And there is this photo where you can see the dye around the edges.

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This is a detective who is unable to abandon a hypothesis when it is disproven. See here for another example of Carrillo Logic. However, detectives soon created a way to make the Avias seem unique (one cannot solely blame him – Frank Salerno was also walking around with a pair). It transpired that black size 11.5 Avia aerobic models did exist and famously, only three pairs were sent to California and the latest serial killer ‘just so happened’ to select these “newly invented” sneakers out of all the brands in the world. This made them almost unique. However, there is no evidence that the killer was wearing black shoes. That is just Carrillo’s theory. The one victim who mentioned black shoes (Dickman) was not describing Avias. The killer(s) – yes, plural – could have been wearing any colour Avias, because, contrary to the official Night Stalker lore, THEY WERE NEITHER NEW NOR UNCOMMON SOLES. And he keeps saying they were 440s. They were the 445B model.

Here is an advert showing Avias with identical sole prints in December 1982.

There has to come a point where somebody interrogates Carrillo on this constant misinformation.

-VenningB-

See here for yet another bizarre claim from Carrillo.

13/11/2023

17 responses to ““Murder Clothes” – The Myth of the Night Stalker’s Appearance”

  1. more Carrillo “not” so logical theories!
    who ever was sharing a locker with RR that person should have been investigated! It just seems Gil just wants to make up so many excuses as to why they couldn’t find what they were looking for, oh he Throw his shoes over the Golden Gate Bridge. Nobody said or claimed they ever saw anyone doing so! Just more lazy excuses as to why they couldn’t find anything on him!

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    1. It’s shocking to me that he keeps peddling this lie about Richard and his black, stinking “kill kit”. I wish more people knew about it! It makes the Night Stalker seem like a complete caricature.

      They never found any blood soaked smelly clothes and he was never in charge of raiding the locker. He just can’t stop lying.

      On another podcast, he claimed Richard threw a .25 gun away with the shoes…how convenient.

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      1. Gil’s so pathetic, RR was basically homeless and didn’t care about him self so he didn’t really take care of his hygiene at all! No victim said anything about a “smelly” person attacking them. Also RR had a foot fetish and again no victims said they had their feet played with. Also he stole things but how come some deceased victims homes had nothing stolen?! He pretty much came up with all those lie like he throw this here and there just as an excuse to call him the “night stalker” him not in charge of raiding the lockers is suspicious to me like why didn’t the person in charge of the locker tell him to stop?! He’s deluding his own mind with all his lies and so called Gil logic.

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      2. Yeah so many crimes don’t make sense or fit with Night Stalker ‘lore’. Only Abowath mentioned a smell, but it was only normal body odour, not ‘goat’, not blood or shit like Carrillo claims.

        I’m guessing the police get a search warrant and are allowed to raid the locker. But his lawyers asserted that he was coerced into relinquishing his locker keys. They shouldn’t have been taken without an attorney present.

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      Gil is so pathetic. The more that’s uncovered, the more he appears to be comparable to a pathological liar- it’s like he can’t help himself. He is soaking in the limelight of Ramirez. He needs to be stopped *face palm*

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      1. I don’t understand why people believe the “kill kit” stories. If it was true, they’d have been logged, bagged, entered into evidence and tested. Halpin would have used that evidence in court, and he didn’t. No “murder clothes” appeared anywhere, apart from Gil’s podcasts.

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  2. why main question is why all this BS?! Why all the lies?! He seriously made his mind so obsessed with catching this guy he would go to even the lowest level and doesn’t care!
    Richard himself also said “it’s easier to convict a man with words than with evidence” that’s exactly what happened to him! GIL made all his lies and theories so believable that he him self became so deluded with them and spitting out more lies!
    also when they constantly put RR face on tv frequently and a lot everyday, I truly believe they did that on purpose knowing the surviving victims would most definitely watching to see if they got their attacker, and they kept saying he’s the night stalker made the victims question themselves about their attacker playing with their memories and believe they were part of the night stalker attack etc… I mean non of them called the cops as you guys said more they stopped him on tv. It’s sometimes hard to catch criminals so they found an easier route and got a guy whom is a super easy target and just tell the public and victims that yup he’s the guy and prove to them that he’s the guy with all those lies.

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    1. Last night, I was reading a forum post about motives for police framing a suspect. One was “sunk cost” – they’d spent so much money on pursuing one lead, and caused mass hysteria around Richard with awards being given out days after the arrest. To suddenly announce it wasn’t him would humiliate three police agencies. So they have to keep exaggerating the story and keep it going and growing to deafen the people who question until nobody ever does. Well, that’s changed now…

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  3. Your last sentence made me laugh because we too never want to think about those damn Avias ever again. I sometimes see them in my dreams.

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    1. haha! I wonder if they still sell those shoes might as well buy them all then throw them away maybe over the Golden Gate Bridge.

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      1. They were being reproduced a year ago, but I think there were some problems with the business. The official company objected to the sister company reproducing them or something. Only shoe collectors seem to have acquired them! And they don’t make women’s sizes. Booo!

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  4. Now you know how we feel! Ha ha!

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  5. They actually give me the creeps but I want them to prank people by leaving prints

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  6. The ‘man-in-black’ is a straight up fictional character made up by Carlo, whose source material is Carrillo basically. Why are people too afraid to even open up the police statements and reports? I’ve seen them shared on forums and people won’t look or respond. Must be uncomfortable for Americans to realise that their justice system is messed up, as are many of their police forces so they turn away like children. I always heard the LA forces were shady because of all the stories.

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    1. That’s very true, there are people out there more offended by the original police reports and the court documents than the crimes themselves. I find that mind blowing!

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  7. Thankfully, Canada ended the death penalty! America is backward in that respect. Full offence, American readers!

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    1. Omg right?! I hate the death penalty so much and I’m 100% against it! I just can’t deal with it! Even my mom feels the same way. Back home where I come from if you get arrested they just kill you or you go missing I think!

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