A Burglary in Marina

On August 15th, 1985, a burglary occurred in an affluent neighborhood in the Marina District area of San Francisco on Baker Street, at the townhome of dentist Jack Saroyan. While his niece Rosemary Ovian and her friend were sleeping, burglar(s) gained entry to the home, and the house was robbed.

Frank Falzon describes the Marina crime scene in his book, San Francisco Homicide Inspector 5-Henry-7,

The effort by the burglar to gain entry into the three-story residence showed his tenacity. Sometime after 10:00 p.m., the man first went to the backyard of a house two doors away. He crept down a long driveway on the side of the house and into the backyard. The house was under renovation, and there were old kitchen cabinets and heavy scaffolding strewn about the yard.

He lugged a cabinet and a seven-foot plank over the fence, through the yard adjacent to the Saroyan house, over another fence, and into the Saroyans’ yard. Using the cabinet front and the plank, he fashioned a crude ladder and scaled up to a partially open second-story window. Using a tire iron for leverage – a Toyota tire iron, in fact – he pried open the window and clambered into the kitchen.”

Gaining entry to the Baker Street home was quite an elaborate undertaking. Could this have been a two-or three-person job?

* From Los Angeles Times, Sept.1, 1985

* From Los Angeles Times, Sept.1, 1985

Note Falzon’s statement, “We’re satisfied he is the lone stalker.” Ramirez had not set foot in a courtroom; not a single witness had testified, but the police had already decided he was the Night Stalker, and no one else.

So, how is the Marina burglary connected to the Pan crime? SFPD used the Marina burglary to link the so-called Night Stalker to the Pan crime by making several assumptions and a considerable leap in conclusions. On August 18, 1985, three days after the Marina burglary, Larry Dubour of the San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) was called to the home of Peter and Barbara Pan; both had been brutally attacked, leaving Peter Pan dead and Barbara seriously injured. He noticed the Pan home had been ransacked, similar to the Marina District home. However, he discounted it.

He later spoke with detective Frank Falzon, who “schooled” him on what he had learned from the Los Angeles Night Stalker task force – the Night Stalker does not have a modus operandi – he is everything and nothing – he leaves fingerprints, but he also wears gloves; he ransacks to steal but sometimes takes nothing; sometimes he rapes a wife, sometimes he kills her, but other times he spares her entirely, he is whatever police need him to be at that moment. It was then that the detectives decided the Marina burglar was the same person who committed the Pan crime, which they decided was the infamous Night Stalker. And here we have it – the extent of the detective work that concluded the individual that burglarized the Marina home was the same individual that attacked the Pan’s. 

Allegedly, Richards’s fingerprint was on the jewelry from the Baker Street crime. Let’s consider this for a moment. If Richard had indeed stolen the items, the jewelry had changed hands several times in a matter of days. So, it would have had the fingerprints of several different individuals on it, such as Donna Myers, Earl Gregg, Deleen Gregg, and the owner of the jewelry. Yet, law enforcement would have us believe that Richard was the only one to leave an identifiable fingerprint on the window – of all the individuals who touched the stolen jewelry. 

During the Los Angeles trial, Donna Myers testified that Richard had arrived alone in San Pablo on August 16– the day before the Pan family was attacked. He gave her a glass jewelry box containing a bracelet (the one later turned over to SFPD by her daughter, Deleen Gregg) and three 14-carat gold rings. She gave one ring to Deleen for her granddaughter. She gave a man’s ring to her son Floyd Dvorak, who lived in Utah and kept the third for herself. Myers said that on one of his August visits – perhaps the day he brought her jewelry – Richard Ramirez came to her house with Armando Rodriguez.

Donna told SFPD how “Rick” was open about how he had acquired cars, microwaves, VCRs, and jewelry, which she gladly accepted and distributed among her relatives. At some point, Ramirez moved from Donna Myers’ home to Armando Rodriguez’s apartment “for one or two nights” – confirmed by friend Ray Garcia – and then back to Myers’ – but there is nothing definite about his movements. Myers claimed Ramirez visited her a second time a few days later and took the rest of the jewelry when he left, although no date for his departure was given.

On August 16, 1985, Petitioner [Ramirez] came alone to her house. He brought a jewelry box containing jewelry and asked Myers to hold it for him. A few days later, Petitioner returned to Myers’s home to pick up his things. Petitioner gave her the jewelry box, a bracelet, and three rings. She described the box as glass, 6- 8” wide, with a lid. Petitioner took the rest of the jewelry with him when he left. Myers described the jewelry as “14 carat gold, good jewelry.” Myers kept the jewelry box and gave the bracelet to her daughter, Deleen Gregg, and a ring to her granddaughter. She gave a man’s ring to her son, Floyd Joseph Dvorak, Jr., and kept one ring for herself.

– From 2008 Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus, Document 14


Did it not cross detectives’ minds that Rodriguez and Garcia might have committed burglaries with Richard? We have access to supporting documents that indicate both had burglarized with Richard in the past. Why would Armando have a burglar stay in his home if he were not one himself? SFPD claimed to have found stolen items from LA Night Stalker victims in Armando Rodriguez’ house, and they alleged the items were given to Armando by Richard.

Where is the proof that the stolen goods from LA were indeed given to Armando by Richard? Did no one entertain the possibility that maybe Armando was involved in the LA burglaries, and that’s how the stolen goods came to be in his possession? Since Richard did not live in San Francisco, how would he have known the best places to rob there? And why did Donna Myers readily accept what she knew was stolen property and gift it to her relatives?

From San Francisco Examiner, Sept 1st 1985
From San Francisco Examiner, Sept 1st 1985.

The firefighters were disappointed that they wouldn’t be the ones to catch the Night Stalker-how disappointing indeed! Again, another indication that it was a foregone conclusion it had already been decided Richard Ramirez was the Night Stalker before he had even been arraigned on murder charges.


Several of Richard’s San Francisco acquaintances had stolen property in their possession at the time of his arrest, and they all received immunity from prosecution for having stolen property. The cost of not being prosecuted: Place the blame on Richard Ramirez alone; for this fit the police’s forgone conclusion that Richard was the so-called Night Stalker; the rapist, the murderer, the burglar, the super-criminal that eluded the police from Mission Viejo to San Francisco for several months.

This is the picture we have been painted for decades; this is the story that has been told and inflated repeatedly. No one bothered to look beyond the surface to see what lies beneath. If they had, they might have noticed that this young man, basically homeless, with a drug addiction, who could barely take care of himself, who suffered from traumatic brain injuries plus depression and anxiety, could not have been the Night Stalker. But no one bothered to look because they wanted a raping, murdering Richard Ramirez. He was an easy target, a scapegoat, a patsy.

* A visual representation of the complex web of interactions Richard had in San Francisco.

As the San Francisco court documents are not publicly available and Richard was never brought to trial in San Francisco (the charges were stayed indefinitely), we are left with more questions than answers.


Kaycee & VenningB

136 responses to “A Burglary in Marina”

  1. there were so many potential suspects that for the night stalker better than Richard! And some that looked like the victims description! Yet all their focus was on a Richard a brain damaged mental not ok guy cuz it was just too easy! To catch the so called night stalker would take time! Richard’s arrest was too fast and quick for a man with no criminal skills! Also for a person of high criminal skills it wouldn’t be that easy to capture them! Richard was just too easy of a target and easier to place the blame on him.

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  2. Catching the NS was a cat and mouse game to them! They all wanted to the prestige and fame that came from catching such a ‘monster’. The firefighters being disappointed about not catching him suggests that they cared more about these things than actually protecting future victims.

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  3. I understand that the lives and freedom of some of his friends were at stake. Also I know that Richard did not seem to have close relationships with people in California as he did in El Paso. But I would never be able to throw someone under the bus knowing that they would either be put to death or in prison for the rest of their life. You have to have a serious lack of humanity in order to do that to someone (especially the ones who did it for money.)

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    1. I couldn’t live with my self if I did that to someone! Do you know what I did one day?

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      1. What? (:

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      2. When this guy I was seeing abused me in every which way i remember coming home bruised and crying but I didn’t tell anyone next day my mom found my legs bruised and I told her I hurt myself protecting this guy cuz if she knew he hurt me I’d be forced to leave him and I was super naive and I really loved him that I lied for him and blamed myself for hurting myself I pinned it on me. Tell this day I can’t believe I told my mom I hurt myself when he was the one that did. I could never live with myself if I blamed someone else for soemthing they didn’t do!

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      3. I feel like in this case the victims were so traumatized that they were ‘possibly’ easily able to be coerced by law enforcement to believe that Richard was the suspect. I don’t blame the victims in any form or way. What they went through was nothing short of horrific. I blame the people who were on the prosecution team and law enforcement for basically manipulating them and their testimony to match Richard. The police weren’t properly investigating. Their only interest was to find a serial killer. But more than likely there was multiple people running around and committing these crimes not just one. There just wasn’t enough evidence and testimony collected from most of these crime scenes to properly identify even one suspect. Even if there was enough it was ignored because Richard was their ‘end goal’. The media also created an extreme amount of bias against Richard in addition to ‘certain’ politicians. All of this combined lead to the victims believing that Richard was the NS.

        On another note though. I’m really sorry about what happen to you. If someone is hurting you in any form or way no matter who it is they should be held responsible for their actions. I don’t want to intrude on your personal life. Just wanna make sure that you are safe and happy. (:

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      4. Absolutely. They were probably in a state of complete distress, shock and confusion. Their friend/husband is dead. They’d have seen the police as heroic people who knew all the latest information on the killer. Why wouldn’t they trust them? You can imagine: “Are you sure he was blonde? Are you sure it didn’t just look blonde under the light? “Are you sure he wasn’t wearing a hat?” and so on. I’ve seen miscarriage of justice documentaries where the police are subtly guiding victims to choose their suspect on the photo spread by putting their hand close to it. This is possibly why both Maria Hernandez and Sophie Dickman chose Arturo Robles off a photo spread.

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      5. They do realize that if the ‘right’ person is not apprehended and convicted. They will more than likely hurt more people right?

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      6. Also don’t be worried about advising me or intruding it’s nice to get too people’s advise! I hope you’re safe and happy too!

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      7. They didn’t care about justice as is clearly evident in this blog. They wanted a serial killer. It’s sick to say but they can be ‘profitable’ in more ways than one.

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      8. Yup, but still this is very very wrong! Idk how they live like this know what they did! Richard being dead and him saying I rather be executed than life in prison literally makes me cry it’s just the life he had from young to teenager to old is so tragic I want to scream. After learning about Richard it made me want to be a criminal lawyer I’m 27 so it’s too late for me but I will always defend the undefended and anyone in Richard’s situation! This has to stop!

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      9. It’s never too late to get into a profession that you feel passionate about. A person like you could make a huge difference and help prevent what happened to Richard from happening to others. I say go for it if you can!

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      10. I have this personal reason that prevents me from going to collage but I wish I could thank you so much! I want to make a difference even if I can’t be a criminal lawyer I know there are other ways to help Richard and people like him!

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      11. Indeed. I mean, look who is making this a nice little pension fund.

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      12. Imagine being so pathetic you have to leech off a ‘serial killer’ to pay your bills. Couldn’t be me. That also goes for the people selling his letters and shit. It’s frankly pathetic in my opinion.

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      13. Carrillo has a lot to thank Richard for.

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      14. The way he said that he was glad that he was dead is so vile. You built your so called ‘success’ on the demise and destruction of a young mans life. He was happy thinking that the truth was buried. But you guys were able to dig it back up and expose it.

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      15. “No more appeals and no re-trial”. The fear was always there, whatever he blathers on about.

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      16. I bet it was there for Haplin as well especially with the San Francisco ‘trial’.

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      17. Oh yes, it definitely was. He had to be made to give over his papers, and he really didn’t want to. He was very reluctant to let Richard’s new attorneys have a chance to cross examine the witnesses from the LA trial.

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      18. I liked reading about how he was panicking about the SF trial.

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      19. Hahaha! Yes, me too. I hope it gave the old git some bad moments and sleepless nights.

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      20. And don’t forget the niece that stole the family pics to sell all over the place. That is just vile! Rosa has none left (or very few), as far as I am aware, they’re all gone.

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      21. What the actual fuck! So she has no photos to look at of her baby brother?! That actually makes me wanna scream.

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      22. Sold to the highest bidder. She freely admitted he was her “hustle”.

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    2. I think of all the people he hung around with in California, Armando was likely the person he was closest to. They had been childhood friends, lived together for a time, and seem to have had regular contact in California. As for the other individuals, I think the friendships only went so far. It seems they readily sold Richard down the river for the chance at reward $ and to take the heat off themselves or their relatives. While I hate that Armando played the role he did in Richard’s arrest, I don’t think he had many other options. I sometimes wonder if he felt guilty for selling out his longtime friend? How could he not ? How do you move on from that? I’m not aware of him giving any public interviews like Earl, Donna, and Deleen did. I think that suggests he may have felt bad for his role in what happened to Richard.

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      1. I’m curious to know if anyone felt bad what they did to Richard!

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      2. I think if any one did it was Armando. The others did things that suggest they didn’t feel bad, or if they did, they got over it very quickly, and moved on, waiting for their share of the reward.

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      3. Yea I feel like people who truly cared about him tend to keep themselves out of the public eye except for a few like Patricia Kassfy (probs got the name wrong). She only had nice things to say about him. Also didn’t Armando disappear or am I thinking about someone else?

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      4. It was Alejandro Espinoza that disappeared without claiming his reward money.

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      5. It’s that Eva Castillo and him just completely disappeared. I don’t think they are the best of people. But I hope nothing happened to them.

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      6. Have you ever tried to get in contact with Armando? It would be really interesting to hear his point of view too. I don’t think that he played a big role in Richard’s arrest. They had already so many hints from so many people, it was probably only a matter of days until they would have gotten the name from someone else. Perez knew Richards brother, Richards mother even used to call Solano. And how could the name “Richard Ramirez” help to find his fingerprints in the system when his arrest for car theft was made under the name of “Ricardo Muñoz Moreno” Or wasn’t that the arrest they were referring to? Somehow I don’t get it.

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      7. He’s difficult to track down. I found his siblings on Facebook but I’d never intrude. I’m just very nosey.
        I think although he was arrested under Ricardo Muñoz Moreno, his real name was in the system. He must have given it post-arrest. Because that’s how they found him. There were eight Richard Ramirezes in the fingerprints system, one of which was ‘our’ Richard. Police then showed his mugshot to Jesse Perez who confirmed it was him.

        When Richard was previously arrested as Noah Jimenez, his real name was also found out. I think he just admitted who he was each time.

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      8. I know, nowadays in arrest records they usually list also alle the aliases someone used. And probably they already did it in the 80s and earlier. But then they probably would have found Richard also by searching for his aliases. It would just have been a bit more work and maybe they would have had to show Perez 10 mugshots or 50. That’s why I think it didn’t really matter if Armando told them Richards name or not. Regarding Armando, yes same, I did find some info too, but of course didn’t contact anyone. I don’t even speak proper English, and without working on any project (like writing a book 😉 ) it would have been more than weird to contact someone and ask them random questions about things that happened almost 40 years ago.

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      9. Yeah I think informants kind of gave his name to the police almost simultaneously. The police are still in competition over it.

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    3. it’s super sad that his so called friends did that! He should have never trusted them! He should have I wish gone back to El Paso like his family wanted him to but again I understand why he didn’t go back! This man’s life was all over the place he didn’t know where to start he wasn’t guided at all properly and I don’t at all blame him the people around him should have given him the proper love care happiness this is just cruel breaks my heart to see Richard getting taken advantage of! They cared more about money than a young man’s life! Shame on them! RIP Richard. Justice for Richard and his family and the victims!

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      1. I doubt that going back to El Paso would’ve been any better. From what we know about his childhood and adolescence his family had a lot of problems and his dad was abusive. He slept in a cemetery to escape his fathers rages. He probably wanted to escape to California to make a life for himself but had neither the money, skills, or connections to do so. I doubt that he would’ve been able to hold down a proper job due to his numerous mental and neurological problems. I don’t doubt that some of his friends committed these crimes (the Julio guy in particular is suspicious). Richard was bringing too much attention to their “business” and he had so many mental issues going on. So they saw him as “expendable for a cause”. They could pin crimes that they may have committed on him, kick him out of their ‘group’, and maybe make some money. There were some people who tried to support him like Sandra Hotchkiss. She testified that Solano might’ve been forced by law enforcement to say that Richard gave him all the stolen goods and that Richard was a rubbish thief. But Richard generally kept bad company around him. People who would’ve sold him without a second thought.

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      2. Yes to all of this. 👏
        And California has so many more opportunities than El Paso.

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      3. Honestly, if I was in his situation I would’ve done the same. He was a young man who was just trying to find his place in the world. In California ‘anyone can achieve anything’. It’s a classic story of a small time boy in a big city gone wrong. I bet if the TYC actually did what they were supposed he would’ve had a more prosperous future. Out of all of his siblings he seemed to have the most amount of potential to make something of himself.

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      4. When he said that “came to California to find a pot of gold but got a pot of iron” thing, it just showed he was chasing the “American Dream” just like everyone else. People are sold an idea of Hollywood, palm trees and beaches. Then he gets there and really it was more of the same. Drug epidemics, homeless etc. Los Angeles sort of chewed him up and spat him out.

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      5. California has so much potential to be a place of complete prosperity and success. But it’s run by brain dead corrupt politicians whose only aim is further the agendas of their campaign sponsors. Only a select few can be successful over their and it’s either by sheer luck or through money and connections.

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      6. Yes, we have said the same, out of them all, Richard had the most potential in his earliest years, compared to his brothers. It’s an absolute tragedy that he slipped through the cracks.

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      7. I couldn’t have said it better myself! I wish Richard stayed away from those criminals! I totally agree with every You just said! I just remember his sister calling him to come back and he was very close to her so I’d thought it would be nice to get him with her again! Poor Richard my heart hurts for him

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      8. If he preferred the ‘hell hole’ that is LA to El Paso, I wonder just how bad his home life really was? There is probably still things that we don’t know about his situation. He barely had a place to stay or anything to eat in LA yet he chose to stay there versus going back home. I know his mom kicked him out of the house. But he could’ve maybe stayed with his sister till he got back on his feet. Maybe it was hope that things would eventually get better?

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      9. In his ex-brother-in-law’s declaration, he said Richard moved in with him and Rosa. Then he and Rosa moved out and went to an apartment. Richard’s parents (and Rosa’s daughter) then moved into their old house with Richard again. So he chose to sleep in the car or he sofa-surfed in Rosa’s various apartments rather than live with his parents again. What does that say about them? I think he felt trapped and that’s what caused him to go to California.

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      10. I agree I also feel like the trauma and abuse might’ve been a lot worse than we thought.

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      11. I agree. I think maybe the family is hiding something and that’s why he went insane every time lawyers and psychologists wanted to speak to them.

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      12. Also look at Robert Bryan’s declaration in document 7.4. He said something concerning regarding the mother. I don’t know what to make of it and we haven’t ever discussed it on the blog…

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      13. Yes, that declaration is very disturbing. Bryan seemed to genuinely like Richard, spoke out about the shit show of a trial, and went to his wedding.

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      14. I can’t find it but there was an interview where he described him as “very nice” as well as polite and charismatic. Remember he went on that show with Cindy to defend Richard from the audience!

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      15. I remember that, too.

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      16. From just skimming the document, are you speaking about the part where it says that Richard’s mother admitted that he was sexually abused to trial counsel and they did jack shit about it in regards to the trial such as hiring an investigator?

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      17. The mother bit. Maybe he misinterpreted what she said because she didn’t speak English.

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      18. Maybe. But there is a possibility seeing everything that he had gone through. It could’ve been a contributing factor to his hypersexuality.

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      19. I was just reading through Katherine Baur’s statement from the same document, she had gone to El Paso under instruction from Daniel H to talk his family about his childhood, only to discover that Richard had called his family, forbidding them to speak to her. She said ” I recall that Daniel Hernandez told us no further work was authorized on petitioner’s behalf for the penalty trial. It seemed purposeless to limit our work in this manner when we were aware of many areas of investigation, including cultural, social, psychological, learning difficulties, trauma, psychiatric. institutional failure, and family dynamics that would have yielded significant mitigation evidence on petitioner’s behalf. ” Document 7-4

        One big cover up.

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      20. I understand that they didn’t wat any further ‘shame’ on their family name. But you child’s life is at stake! He not on trial for petty theft, but for murder and rape. I understand that he called them and went on a tirade. At some point you have to get past all that and do what is right by him. But they failed from the very beginning by signing a separate contract with those two clowns in the beginning.

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      21. Richard hardly knew what was best for him, and it’s been one of the most frustrating things to write/read about. His rage and rants at his San Francisco lawyers are just crazy. When poor old Dorothy Bischoff told him she was going to El Paso to get info, he told her “You can go as my girlfriend, not my lawyer”. lol She went anyway and he went nuts, even though he liked her a lot.

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      22. He tried to exert whatever ‘control’ he could despite virtually having no power.

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      23. Yes, that’s what I think, too.

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      24. As someone who needs to have some semblance of control over my life that situation would have been hell for me.

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      25. I wrote a bit about that in the post below, his need for control.

        Man-Child

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      26. I definitely think that, too. He was absolutely paranoid that no attorney should ever talk to his family about his childhood, even when they were trying to save his life. His rants were legendary when he found out Dorothy Bischoff had tried to get info out of them, and she was the one lawyer he actually seemed to like.

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      27. The family was probably not too keen on saying anything either.

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      28. That’s hardly surprising, and it’s another reason why there was no mitigation at trial.

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      29. That and the Hernandezes didn’t give a damn.

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      30. They were not about to upset the family who had retained them.

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      31. Oh for sure I’m wondering that too his life that we already know is just only a little of what we know there must be more to his sad life to have damaged the poor guy very badly it would take us to such a dark deeper place that even I’m scared to know

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      32. I feel like a lot of what we know about his childhood comes from his family or friends. It seems too painful for him to talk about that stuff. But he has no problem in talking his sexual experiences during his childhood and adolescence. Which set off alarm bells in my head.

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      33. True I mean i can’t blame him of course he was truly traumatized and for Gil to say things like we will pin you with this and that and child abduction and if his father molested his sister and this will hurt your mom or something like that I read on here he had a panic attack like how cruel of his to do this just to get him to talk! That’s no way at all what you do or say to anyone! He didn’t care no one cared about Richard they all wanted money and rewards shame on them! There’s a young man suffering looking for help! And victims traumatized as well and you play with theirs minds and memories too?! Omg that makes me so mad!

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      34. I can’t even put into words how I feel about Carrillo asking the sister molestation question to ‘just’ raise Richards’ anxiety during interrogation.

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      35. Yeah, and he makes it his “go-to” joke about levitating; what a comedian he is.

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      36. Same I’m so lost on words he tries to act like the best detective oh look I caught the big bad night stalker a correction dude you caught a homeless man suffering from drug addiction and stole shit and took advantage of him cuz of his brain damage cuz you wanted to just solve this case cuz of your obsession with serial killer and he was a damn easy target and very easy to catch on top of that! Most killers are hard to catch Richard was way too easy

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      37. Yes, to all of this. When Richard said to Donna Myers that he was “Ripping people off”, in reality, HE was being ripped off, by all of his dodgy associates, he just failed to see it.

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      38. Donna Myers was another one of the many shady characters in this shit show! Why would you take and gift jewelry and other valuables that you knew were stolen to your children?

        Richard was so naive. It’s no wonder that people were able to take advantage of him so easily.

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      39. I love how he’s so obviously a burglar, and they just take all his stuff like it’s nothing! They’re all as bad as him, yet they make out he was just this one weirdo…

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      40. If a person who I probably know to be homeless and unkempt came to my house one day and gave me jewelry there is no way in hell I am taking it!

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      41. That’s the hilarious thing about Solano’s court testimony. “I didn’t know they were stolen goods.” So you thought Richard Ramirez looked like a legit businessman?

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      42. LMAO! I would love to read his full testimony and see the all idiotic things that he said.

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      43. That was frankly ridiculous.

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      44. Yeah… he surrounded himself with a bevy of “innocent criminals”, who did nothing wrong. It was all HIM.

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      45. As I’ve said before his brothers wasn’t any better either. They knowingly put him on a dangerous and toxic path of drugs and crime. He just had horrible role models around him. Even his sister did drugs in front of him.

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      46. During research, I was surprised to find that they had other cousins who were also into burglaries. There are a few articles where Juliàn Jr went robbing with an Alejandro Tapia Ramirez as well. Both Miguel and Juliàn committed crimes with Alejandro. It really annoys me when people try to pretend Richard was a weird anomaly in the family. He was just following the others, and encouraged by them.

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      47. They all seemed to be uneducated and poverty stricken. I’m not saying that what they were doing was right. But it seemed like the easiest and most accessible option for them to survive. I doubt that they saw any options for themselves. If Richard’s family was a reflection of the rest of their family. Then I wouldn’t doubt that the same type of abuse and problems were going in their homes and that they refused to get help either due to pride or fear or both. Poverty makes people due really screwed up and stupid stuff. I might be speculating too much, but I’ve seen and known families similar to Richards’ and that’s the type of mindset they have. The only way for them to have broken the cycle was to take advantage of any and all opportunities for change and help and to stay consistent no matter what.

        Side Note: I think it gave them sort of high or adrenaline rush as well to break into peoples houses and steal. Since they all seem prone to addiction this feeling may have become addicting to them as well.

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      48. I agree with all this again.
        Especially the last part. He still dreamed about it because of that thrill. Plus Richard had that added delusion that Satan was protecting him, if Carlo’s words about interactions with his sister are to be believed.

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      49. I wouldn’t doubt that he has some sort of religious trauma as well. I feel that his parents were overly oppressive with their rigid Christian values and tried to prevent their children from having any form of freedom. They were overly controlling. It’s not surprising to me that Richard did a full 180 and started practicing Satanism. He not only got back at his tyrannical father, but had someone or something to protect him in everything ‘bad’ he did. His thinking can be so complex, but simple at the same time.

        The way Carrillo and the rest of the people involved in this case acted as if Richard was the only Satanist in LA who listened to AC/DC and the fact that people believed them is beyond my understanding.

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      50. It’s truly sad I’m not even joking but everytime I think about this I cry and have anxiety. He should have been taken into proper care! How dare his brother even introduce him to a criminal! This is just a crazy case

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      51. I’m going to be honest when I first read this blog and his writ and I realized what had happened I literally sobbed for several days. It made me feel extremely distressed and depressed that this could happen to a human being.

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      52. Same with me I still sob about how Richard’s life came out poor guy had no chance and to coach the victims into picking him so sad poor Richard and poor victims! Learning about Richard’s life past to to death I get nightmares about what he went through how can anyone do that to anyone to take advantage of anyone like that cruel world we live in sometimes tbh I tell myself I can’t wait to die cuz I don’t want to be in this cruel world anymore. I want to help people who are homeless who suffer from drugs and mental health and anyone in Richard’s situation to avoid all this bs that happened to Richard I want to help him and them my heart hurts so much and it’s so triggering cuz I even have an uncle that has brain damage and his wife is doing what the cops are doing to Richard to him!

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      53. I’m sorry it upset you so badly, and you are not the first person who has said this to us. We’ve been to some very dark places in our heads since we started this, I can tell you. Sleepless nights, anger, and such overwhelming disgust and distress. The whole thing is one of the most disturbing situations I have ever come across.

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      54. I still wake up everyday and have a hard time processing that it was actually real. It must’ve been harder for you guys since you’ve done years worth of research and know so much about this case. I don’t have the strength to do what you guys have done. Much appreciated for your hard work and sacrifice.

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      55. It became a compulsion, the more we researched, the worse it became. Worse because it was all hidden, and still so few seem to be aware of what went on. But they will believe any old shit (without any evidence) about eyes, shoes and whatever rubbish they see on YouTube.

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      56. Ignorance is bliss to those type of people they are not strong or brave enough to wake up and see just how corrupt and fractured the US legal system and law enforcement is.

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  4. I just have the fact that Richard’s brothers were teaching him how to steal and get high or should I say “properly high” I mean don’t they know that this path takes you to a dark place! If Richard had the right role models on his life we wouldn’t be having this convo! And yes vivi I as well agree with all what you said! This was the only way they knew how to survive.

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  5. When parents get too overly controlling it really does affect the kids heavily especially when it comes to religion! It feels like his parents just mostly dad just wanted to dictate his life! His “old friend” Edie said he never witnessed his father hurt Richard but then again why would his father show that he’s hurting Richard infront of his friends! Although rosa second husband witnessed Richard’s dad say some awful things to Richard! Idk how Richard got into Satan shit but I read in one of his letters that he did believe in god and Satan as a being of spirit or something! But do you notice as well in this one video on YouTube this girl forgot her name she went to interview Shelly and Robert and this other guy and with this other guy all they would talk about is satanic shit and how they thought Richard saw it as if they went into Richard’s head and knew how richard saw Satan

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    1. Richard’s other friend, Antonio Reyes, witnessed him being hurt by his father.

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      1. Exactly! See! He even had to run away to the cemetery idk if his dad tied him up at the cross that’s what I’ve read somewhere but don’t know do that’s true I just know he ran to the cemetery and slept there

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      2. I had it confirmed to me by a family member that Richard was not tied to a cross. Yes, he used to stay in the cemetery, but the “cross” is just another Night Stalker myth.

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  6. From what I read in the Carlo book it was Richard’s father, Julian Sr., who was tied to a tree and whipped with a rope by his father and grandfather for things such as waking up too late or something.

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    1. Maybe! Idk how people thought it as Richard getting tied up hmmm well I’m just glad that never happened to Richard! But still everything else that did WTF! How on earth can Shelly even think about taking her aunts picture of Richard to sell! It she even admitted that I remember on this interview with this YouTuber she said about selling things of Richard’s to making money how sick is she to do that!! His poor sister I hate this I really hate this!

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      1. They’re all leeches, sucking every last drop they can get.

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      2. To get this kind of treatment from your own family is so harsh! It truly reminds me of my Brain damaged uncle Ik I keep mentioning him but it’s reminding me so much of him and I miss him his wife forbids him from seeing me or anyone else in my family so this case is just really super triggering for me 😢

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      3. I always had this feeling that she had some sort of resentment against Richard and by stealing and selling his stuff she was getting her revenge. But idk…

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      4. She hardly knew him, but she thrives on the connection. $$$$

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      5. I thought about that as well. Some of his nieces were coming out with ‘wild’ stories of their experiences with him. But he was in jail for most of their existence. He was treated like a maximum security prisoner, with a guard being basically 5 feet away at all times.

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      6. Yeah, it’s all very unsavoury, really. Especially when you can go back years and see them bickering on various social media platforms about who he liked, who knew him better, who he gave a ring to, and an accusation of blackmail. It’s hardly normal behaviour, making me roll my eyes at everything they say or do.

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      7. I can understand that they probably went through some difficult experiences due to the ‘infamy’ of being related to him. But it’s still screwed up what they are doing.

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      8. Yes, absolutely. It can’t have been easy. Some family members retain their dignity and don’t go in for the media attention, and others love it, or seem to.

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      9. Idk what to say honestly. And idk either

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      10. I know, it’s probably best not to think about it too much. All of this only came out since he died, it’s a one-sided argument.

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      11. I knew it they would release things about him once he died! Cuz once he died there’s no point for them to hide it now cuz he dead so might and they know we can’t do anything about it!

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  7. all this case is, is entertainment do all those people especially Gil! Like right after he was arrest Richard they already wanted a movie deal like wtf!!

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  8. they were for sure all in on the lies not all his family but a lot as Jay said, the fact Shelly sold pictures of him and taking them from her aunt pisses me off and that’s so fucked up!

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  9. I just remembered didn’t one of suspect yell out loud in the night stalker so how come the rest of the out attacks her didn’t?! Ya know?!

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    1. Do you mean the whole “Swear on Satan” thing? Yeah, that was in both Abowath and Carns, but not the others as far as I’m aware.

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      1. A lot of comments are saying he killed 43 I think and I’m just there with my jaws dropped like wtf why u believe this shit to everyone in my head and they acting like they oh did research 😂

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      2. Carlo bullshit!

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      3. The problem that no matter how much you hit those idiots with the truth like this blog! They won’t listen to it cuz they are soooo deluded with the lies spread by Gil that it’s tough going against him

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      4. Don’t waste your breath, nothing you say will change their minds. It’s not worth the effort.

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      5. Of I totally agree! I’m done with them honestly but it’s so tempting to shut them up cuz I’m so tired of all of this and the lies and not being able to question anything or talk about it like it’s like it’s against the law!

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      6. “He was good for 40 more..”
        Oh, do shut up. lol

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      7. They are mistaking the 43 counts he was charged with for 43 killings/attacks.
        The “counts” include everything, burglary, for instance, or rape. This is a case of people not understanding what 43 counts actually means. They haven’t bothered to research penal codes.

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      8. This is actually crazy that they just said something that they don’t mean! It’s not only gil then spreading lies it’s them too! Like this one letter said that was written by Richard claiming he enjoyed hurting women but not kids! But it’s not written it’s typed so I’m thinking there’s no way Richard wrote that he’s never confessed to anyone not even his family so why a random dude huh?! He’s always politely declined talking about anything!

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      9. That letter is fake.

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      10. Yeah it’s computer typed isn’t it…

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      11. Ya that’s what I thought too! Cuz first of all it’s typed and they doesn’t at all have access to computer! This case just shows you how far anyone will go just to make money off of Richard poor guy! And omg people on YouTube actually believe that letter!!! That’s so insane so one at all is willing to do the research it makes me so mad then they attack us!

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      12. Think about it: “I let a child go once”.
        Purely made up. All the children in the LA cases were let go, for a start he would never discuss that, and secondly, IF he’d committed those crimes, he know that, so why say “I let a child go once”?
        I assume that’s the letter you mean.

        It’s nonsensical.

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      13. Yes that’s the letter correct! Ya i thought about that too! Why would he say such things ! Even Robert his brother claimed Richard told them that he did some crimes but some of them he didn’t! I don’t believe Robert at all he’s also a money taker

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      14. Robert mostly seems confused.

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      15. Doesn’t he have schizophrenia?

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      16. Damnnn his whole family suffering with disabilities it’s so sad

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      17. I wrote a couple of posts about all that, Family Matters, Parts One and Two. You can find them in the “Richard’s Background” section.

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      18. Yes thank you! I have read it alot and it bring me nothing but tears it’s really sad that someone’s life can be like this! Excellent work as always Jay! Truly all 3 of you are blessings

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      19. You’re very kind, Thank you.

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      20. You deserve to be recognized for your hard work people Have to know these things! We can’t hide from them forever the more we know the more we can stop shit like this from happening we can’t be scared! I wish I can be as knowledgeable as you guys! I’m very proud of you 3 and the work you have put into this! Truly hero’s to me!

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