A Bad Seed

So much of what we think we know about Richard Ramirez is based on myths and rumors. It’s like the “telephone” game played in the United States. Someone makes a statement, and that statement becomes so distorted that it doesn’t even remotely resemble what was said to begin with. The story gets changed and no longer has an element of truth in it. Is it so hard to believe that this is the case with Richard? Is it difficult to believe that most, if not everything, you have read and heard about him couldn’t possibly be true or may only represent a small part of his ever-changing story?

The few interviews he gave during his lifetime have been taken out of context, twisted, turned and made into something sinister. They have been made out to mean something that they didn’t. There are some that continue to perpetuate the rumors and untruths with absolutely no evidence to back up their claims or statements. And the story keeps growing and changing so much so that none of us know who Richard Ramirez really was.

Richard Ramirez wasn’t born a “bad seed.” He wasn’t a “bad kid”. Yes, he had some struggles. Had anyone of us walked in his shoes likely we would have experienced unfortunate events as well. For those that think he was evil incarnate from the moment he arrived on the planet, and for those who don’t, let’s look beyond the rumors and the myths and look at the evidence that exists.

In a previous post, we discussed how Richard was not a troublemaker as a child and how he did well in school, at least until the onset of the seizure disorder he developed at the age of 12-13. It was only after this that he began to misbehave and use drugs. And even then, those misbehaviors were relatively mild.

Richard’s first contact with the criminal justice system was in 1974, at the age of 14, for criminal mischief. He attempted to steal something, the record does not indicate what it was, but he was merely issued a warning. So, whatever it was didn’t warrant a proper arrest so we can conclude it must have been negligible. For the next two years there is nothing in Richard’s juvenile record indicating any criminal behavior.

In May of 1976, Richard was charged with committing theft that was “over $20 but less than $200” (no specifics were given as to what was stolen). He was released to his parents and the case was closed without any further investigation.

The following month, Richard was apprehended for burglary of a residence. Again, no specifics are given as to what was stolen. The case was dismissed by the county prosecutor because whoever filed the complaint couldn’t be located. In July of 1976, Richard was given a warning for disorderly conduct.

Two months later, in September, Richard was accused of burglarizing a residence but this case was also dropped due to lack of a statement from the person seeking prosecution.

The following month Richard was given a warning by the El Paso police for vandalizing U.S. postal property. December 16, 1976, Richard was accused of burglarizing a home. The individual that pressed charges waited 12 days before doing so and no specifics were given as to what, if anything, had been stolen from the property. It was this last incident that Richard ended up going to court for in March of 1977. Richard was never on probation or arrested for any of the aforementioned incidents. Not even the one that occurred in December 1976.

Philip Carlo’s Unverifiable Claims

In Philip Carlo’s book The Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez, Carlo tells the story of Richard working for a hotel as a teenager. Carlo states Richard was in an elevator one day while at work when two teenage girls got on the elevator. Richard politely told one of them she was pretty. The young lady adid not appreciate what Richard said and she reported it to her parents who notified hotel management. Ramirez was reprimanded by the manager.

Somehow this story has morphed into Richard sexually assaulting these teens girls. However, Richard’s juvenile record does not list any such occurrence. Had Richard assaulted the teen girls he met in the hotel elevator, it would have been listed along with the other crimes he was accused in his criminal record. I would like to point out that in the hundreds of pages of documents submitted with the 2008 federal petition, there is absolutely nothing indicating Richard ever sexually assaulted anyone when he was a minor.

Contrary to popular opinion, Richard Ramirez was polite to girls and not violent towards them. The following comes from his school friend Ana “Patricia” Kassfy who wrote a character witness statement in 2004. It was used for both his 2006 direct appeal and his 2008 federal habeas corpus petition:

“Richard was a joker and when I was with him, we always laughed. Freshman year, he and I walked to school together practically every day. Richard stopped coming to school that year. In the ninth grade, I went home for lunch almost every school day.
Even when he was no longer attending school, Richard waited for me at the corner almost every school day and walked me back to school after lunch.
There were two ways to get to school. The shorter way was ten minutes faster, but you had to walk through three blocks of a really bad neighborhood. There was a lot of drug use … and the kids … frequently beat up other kids. On the days that Richard walked me back … we ran those three blocks in order not to be beaten up and harassed.”

– Patricia Kassfy, exhibit 123, Document 20.8

Richard himself stated that anyone reading Carlos book should “take it with a grain of salt.” Carlo used creative license when writing it as his goal was to sell a book and Richard stated there were many untruths in it.

The El Paso Child Guidance Center

Richard was seen at the El Paso Child Guidance center three times in 1976. A psychological evaluation and personality testing were completed by Dr. Ursula Niziol who concluded Richard was depressed, withdrawn and had suicidal ideations. He did not have a personality disorder nor was he homicidal. The counselor who saw Richard at the guidance center determined he wanted help with getting back on track with school, finding employment and staying off drugs. She even stated Richard was a “black belt” in Karate and expressed an interest in teaching it.

The El Paso Child Guidance Center recommended individual counseling for Richard and family counseling for him and his parents. From the information that is available to us, it does not appear this happened. Clearly, Richard needed help at this point in his life because he was struggling with depression, suicidal thoughts, using drugs, getting in trouble for not going to school, and had several encounters with law enforcement.

No one is pointing the finger at anyone, but instead of getting counseling and help finding employment and with school, Richard fell through the cracks and was merely left to his own devices and thus, he ended up in court a few months later, followed by a stint in reform school with Texas Youth Council (TYC).

Below is a 1976 evaluation from a counsellor:

“I do believe that he seriously wants the help and the changes and would like to suggest as follows;
a) Adequste changes in the school to help him to improve the areas in which he is behind.
b) to help him to obtain employment – for instance he is a black belt and expresses an interest in teaching it.
c) Family counselling for the parents.
d) Individual counselling sessions for Ricardo. I would like to see him.
e) Medication might be considered if his anxiety continues to be high.”

Images of the 1976 evaluation

Richard was also an active youth with hobbies. He was once a boy with a lot of potential:

“Ricardo states that he likes to be active. He likes to practice Karate and he likes to play football. He enjoys listening to music and going out with girls. Ricardo is interested in hunting and fishing. Ricardo states that he likes to go camping in the mountains or desert. Ricardo likes to jog and he is interesting in painting and drawing.”

– Statement from the psychological evaluation completed by Dr. Niziol at the El Paso Guidance Center in 1976

Let me reiterate the findings of the psychological evaluation. The alleged big bad Night Stalker was not diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder in his youth as Philip Carlo implies (he does not directly state these diagnoses). This means he was not a budding sociopath or a psychopath. He was depressed and anxious, at times.

Alleged Cruelty

Furthermore, there is nothing in any of the psychological evaluations stating Richard was cruel to animals or a sexual deviant with predatory behaviors. We discovered claims to to the contrary that it wasn’t Richard, but his brother, Robert who was cruel to animals, setting cats on fire.

“Robert was very strange. Four times I saw him set fire to cats in a tunnel underneath the I-10 freeway near Ledo Street [where the Ramirez family lived]. Richard was different from the rest of the kids in our neighborhood. He was timid and the other neighborhood kids gave him a hard time.”

– David Palacios, Ramirez’s childhood friend, exhibit 126, document 20.5.

Texas Youth Council

In March 16, 1977, Richard appeared before a judge to answer for the burglary charge from December 1976. By this point the charge had been changed from burglary to criminal trespassing. No reason is given for the change in the charge.

Richard was found guilty because of an alleged eyewitness identification. Back in December of 1976, a police officer came to Richard’s home and told him of the accusation against him. The officer told Richard the person that was accusing him of burglary wanted to see him so that he/she could determine if Richard was the one who trespassed on their property. The officer basically told Richard if he had nothing to hide then he shouldn’t be concerned about letting this individual have a look at him. So Richard naively and willingly went with the police officer to the home of the accuser.

The police officer told Richard he needed to get out of the police car and stand beside it, so he did. It was then that the accuser looked out of a window to get a look at Richard. Based on this glimpse from the window, the accuser said Richard was indeed the person who trespassed on their property. That was used as evidence against him. Quite obviously this is not a legitimate way of identifying a perpetrator so why it was admissible in court, we don’t know.

The judge determined Richard should be sent to “reform” school for the criminal trespassing charge. So, on March 17, 1977, Richard was sent to the Texas Youth Council statewide reception center in Brownwood, Texas, to begin the process of placing him in the reform school system.

The Statewide Reception Center determined Richard was “suitable for community placement,” indicating he wasn’t violent, he wasn’t a sexual predator, and did not need to be separated from other juveniles in the reform school system. Staff stated he “responded to supervision very well” and that he enjoyed group activities with peers. Richard was placed at the “El Paso House,” a juvenile group home.

His estimated length of stay was approximately five months with the goal of family reunification after he was discharged. Reports indicating exactly how long Richard stayed in reform school have not been located but it may have been until his 18th birthday or close to that time, as an individual could not be kept in a youth reform system past the age of 18.

The purpose of reform schools that existed in the 1970’s in the United States was rehabilitation. We don’t know much about what happened during the time Richard spent at El Paso House. His records from the time he spent there may be unavailable because he was a juvenile or the records may be amongst the thousands of documents submitted along with his 2008 federal writ of habeas corpus petition but are sealed for some reason, so we don’t have access to them.

We can speculate on what may or may not have happened during his time with the Texas Youth Council based on his behavior after he was released. What should have happened while Richard was at TYC is he should have earned his general education diploma, received vocational training, and counseling and treatment for depression and drug abuse.

Richard’s death certificate indicates he was a high school graduate so likely he did get his general education diploma while at TYC. But it doesn’t appear he received any type of vocational training nor any treatment for depression or drug abuse.

So, what happened to the rehabilitation purpose the Texas Youth Council was supposed to serve for Richard? Did this reform school fulfill its purpose? Did it help Richard with gainful employment? Did it give him the skills to stay out of trouble and not use drugs? The answer would be no on all accounts. If the system ever failed anyone, it was Richard Ramirez.

So many opportunities existed to change the course of his life. While it’s true we can’t make anyone do something they don’t want to do, per the counselor’s statements Richard wanted help. It was known he suffered from depression and needed treatment. It was also known he suffered from a seizure disorder, yet no treatment or follow-up care was provided for that either.

We should be asking ourselves “why not?” Why didn’t he receive vocational training? Why didn’t he get counseling and medical treatment during the time he was at El Paso House? He was under the complete control of the reform school system. He had been court ordered there. He could have just as easily been ordered to receive counseling and treatment. During the time he was at the El Paso House he would not have had access to drugs or have been able to burglarize either. This was the perfect opportunity for rehabilitation. So why did the system not provide Richard with the tools and skills he needed to be rehabilitated? Why was he not provided with medical care and treatment when it was apparent he needed it?

Further reading:

Other lies about Richard’s youth in Philip Carlo’s book from a different blog covering the Ramirez case.

22 responses to “A Bad Seed”

  1. he was truly abandoned, never thought how to love him self or take care of him self etc…. So with his depression and suicidal thought, and so much pain etc.. he pretty much gave up on himself and also with the abuse from his father and 2 brothers. He truly had no proper guidance or love or happiness he never knew what those were so he didn’t know how to give it back to himself. He was doomed from the start. He trusted the wrong people on the streets and in prison. This is so sad! Depression and suicidal thought on top of not loving your self etc… can cause you to do many awful things! I am 1 example I’ve recently started hurting my self I purposely strained my arms 3 times just to release my pain. I understand how RR feels it’s not easy at all. He may have did petty crimes and involved himself with really bad people but honestly I don’t see him as a killer at all i never did at all , he’s too weak and naive jumpy etc…. He to me just screams as a person that’s super lost and needs proper guidance and a lot of help. Getting help then helping young guys not go through what he went through I can totally see him doing that.

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  2. hello, I know this is off topic but could someone tell if the name gloria was mentioned in Richard’s Habeas Corpus. Some people say she was his real first girlfriend. I would be so grateful for any kind of information.💖

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    1. She’s named in the supporting documents by a friend. I believe it’s Document 20.8.

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      1. Hi, sorry I’m so late, but could you please link document 20.8 because I can’t find it?

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      2. The Miguel stuff?
        Plainsite doesn’t seem to be working. I can email it to you, if you like?

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      3. I found the document now, I’m really sorry for bothering you. I have another question. Are Nohemi and Gloria the same person, or are they different people?

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      4. No problem. I emailed it anyway.
        They are different people.

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      5. Is Gloria the one who married someone else?

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      6. Nohemi did. Her marriage notice can be found in old papers.

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        Ohh ok, I was wondering because I remember Richard saying in an interview that while he was in reform school, his girlfriend got married to someone else.

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      8. It’s likely they both got married.

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      9. I agree with you. I think it likely they both married.
        Nohemi was still visiting him in 86, as we saw in that court order.

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        Combinationlock

        Sorry if I’m being a bother, but which/what court order?

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      11. We made a post about it called The Ex Parte Order.

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  3. I thought her name was Nancy?

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    1. Nancy was the made-up name Carlo gave her.

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      1. Ohhh gotcha. Richard was. Very sweet with her if you read what she had to say about him never forced her to do anything was gentle lover etc… then all of a sudden he becomes a rapist?! I highly doubt that going from that to that idk

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  4. i just have one big question, is he innocent? if he’s not what are the actual crimes he committed? Richie’s case really caught me.

    i love this blog, thank u so much for sharing all this info

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    1. Hi, and welcome.
      The purpose of our work was never about innocence or guilt, as annoying as that may be. Our purpose was to show the flaws, failings, and utter incompetence of the whole system. We are here to show you what they hid and still continue to hide. We’ve broken it down, but we won’t tell you what to think, we can only show you where they’ve lied, manipulated, made mistakes and kept up 40 years of a narrative that falls like a deck of cards, once you start to tear it apart.

      If Richard Ramirez had had proper attorneys dedicated to the case, some cases may have never got past the hearing stage and perhaps much of what we have exposed would’ve come out years ago, but he did not. Whatever you’ve been told, or you’ve read, the truth is that there was very little physical evidence that placed Ramirez at any crime scenes. The case has taken on myth-like proportions, helped along, in part, due to a continual flow of disinformation constantly paraded as “truth”.
      All we can do is to show you facts, evidence and legal documents. One would imagine that had the jury had access to the information we have, the outcome may have been very different. But then again, perhaps not. He was branded the Night Stalker, to be found guilty before he was even arrested, by all and any means.
      So, you see, for us, this will always be about the unfair trial and how “justice” works. The only crimes we can say for sure he committed were those of auto-theft, drug use/dealing, petty thievery/burglary, handling stolen property and bag-snatching. Because this case was never properly tested in court and because due process was denied him, we can’t say with any certainty what else he may have done. I am sorry, we can’t answer you on the question of innocence or guilt, but we can raise the issue of “reasonable doubt”. Everything we say here has come from legal documents, police reports, news archives, and years of research. On top of which, we were lucky enough to be granted access to the case files last October, but even with that, there is still much they will not release. We are trying, though.

      Thanks for your comment, and I am glad you are enjoying the blog.

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  5. ty for replying.
    changing the subject i’d like to know why are you all working on his case? did you know him? or there’s other reasons why you’re trying to show the flaws and inconsistencies

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    1. No, we didn’t know him. A couple of us are old enough to remember the trial, but we have no personal stake in this.

      We’re doing it because what is out there in the public arena isn’t the whole truth and it never was.
      Why should it remain hidden? 99% of what is commonly given out as truth is provable bullshit, somewhere there must be a counterbalance to offset that.

      Plus we dislike the way people can make up things with impunity and get away with it. The legal papers give the other side, the side that never made it into court.
      Everyone deserves a fair trial, Richard was denied one.

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    2. I think we all felt an enormous injustice had been done and that there had to be more to the story. Everything seemed so one-sided. That drew me in. And he looked like a kid who had no clue what was going on in the beginning when he was arrested. I think his case is one of the worst I’ve heard about with so many things wrong at every level. It wasn’t just one bad thing surrounding his arrest, trial and convictions. Many things were wrong at every level.
      We felt compelled to find out what the material facts and evidence really are.

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