More Carrillo Logic

Another two nuggets of stupidity from the ‘His M.O. was No M.O.’ files.

‘Climaxing!’

Carrillo had learned through his detective studies that some killers are sexually aroused by seeing fear in their victims’ eyes. He frequently cites his source, a criminology professor, Robert Morneau. Morneau wrote a book called Sex, Motivation and the Criminal Offender (1980) and Carrillo evidently applied Morneau’s teachings to the Night Stalker case. On podcasts, he cogitates for far too long at the idea of Richard Ramirez reaching orgasm: ‘He was orgasming!’ ‘Climaxing!’ ‘Foreplay!’. Alongside the bullets and the ridiculous links set out in this post, he also speculated that the murders of Okazaki and Yu were committed by the same man because ‘Richard Ramirez’ wanted to see fear in their eyes. “That was sex to him,” he declares.

Carrillo does not actually know what happened. He claims the killer banged on a car to attract Maria Hernandez’s attention (though she said it was an undefinable noise) specifically to see her scared expression. He claims Richard went up into Okazaki’s kitchen and waited for her to peep over the breakfast bar before shooting her (again, speculation). He then claimed that when the killer walked past Hernandez outside, he decided not to shoot her a second time because she no longer had fear in her eyes.

Wait – what? Why would Hernandez not have fear in her eyes? She had just been shot in the hand and was bleeding. She had heard her friend being shot and had no idea whether she would find her dead or alive. And here was the shooter, pointing the gun at her face for the second time… and she did not show fear?

Carrillo claims that Richard turned Tsai-Lian Yu around to see the fear in her eyes before he shot her. There was no proof this man – described as short and Asian – was Richard, yet Carrillo somehow knows what the Night Stalker was feeling when he shot this woman.

The next murder was a couple: Maxine and Vincent Zazzara. Maxine’s eyes were removed, so presumably, the killer did not enjoy seeing the fear in her eyes that much.

Then there were the four rape victims:

Carol Kyle testified that the rapist threatened to cut her eyes out if she looked at him. He covered her head with a pillow. (She did manage to see his nice straight teeth though).

Sophie Dickman said he put a towel and a pillow over her head, (but was able to see he was short to average height).

Somkid Khovananth said he put a coat over her head (luckily, she was able to identify a man with dark curly hair and a ‘brown face’).

Sakina Abowath was blindfolded (but not before she glimpsed a blondish man) and he hit her for looking at him.

Hold on a minute… did the modus operandi just change? How did the man who became excited from seeing Okazaki, Hernandez and Yu’s terror suddenly change into the man who gouges women’s eyes out, threatens others with the same, or covers victims’ faces and demands that they do not look at him?

He conveniently argues that those rapes were different because the Night Stalker only kills those who fight back, extinguising his fear-fetish. They complied so were spared. This doesn’t make sense either. Violent rape and burglary at gunpoint are terrifying – surely, he would be in his element? But no, he did not want to see their faces, not even to help him get an erection after he was unable to at the Dickman Incident. Hardly a sexual fetish then. And, if he really cared about being seen, he would have shot them; he had a gun; after all, he had killed the husbands of two of the rape victims.

The Night Stalker ‘celebrity’ detectives like to state that Richard’s M.O. was no M.O., but that is clearly an excuse for their lazy policing; they cannot have it both ways. You either have a man who gets off on seeing women terrified or a man who hates being looked at. He cannot be both. It’s merely a device to excuse the lack of consistency: make the Night Stalker someone completely unusual. Furthermore, he cannot have nine different looks, five different heights, three different body types, four different hair colours, and three different sets of teeth.

Bob Morneau: Turd Theory

In Philip Carlo’s book, there is a passage where Morneau is mentioned regarding … for want of a better phrase, a kink for shit. According to Morneau, if a criminal is dropping a log on your property, that’s his/her sexual deviance. Well, Carrillo has picked up the turd theory with both hands, clapped, and then smeared it all over the Ramirez case: he claims Richard Ramirez “confessed” (at around the 42 mins mark) to curling one out at one of the crime scenes. I wonder what other theories from Morneau found their way into the Night Stalker cases.

-VenningB-

5th Jan 2023

56 responses to “More Carrillo Logic”

  1. OMG! I love it! And agree 199%. Perhaps Gil confused some of the so-called Nightstalker’s crimes with BTK’s, who did get sexually aroused from torturing and killing his victims.

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    1. Does he not realise he contradicts himself? I made myself laugh so much posting that image of him.

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      1. I think he’s created so many narratives, he can’t keep them straight.

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    2. You can Gil C. Was full crap and Lies toward Richard Ramirez he made no sense at all, he seemed to either like RR or and b a follower like the Press and media and his Buddy Frank S. The other Bimbo Clown they caught the wrong guy and let the real ones on the lose to continue killing untill 1986 wen it all completely stopped. Sad to know that they put an innocent man behind bars for many years and that is why he died of natural causes.. because he deserved to die by gas chamber.

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      1. The killing and raping carried on as it always had done. The difference was only media attention and public perception, that was all. I am guessing you meant he “didn’t” deserve to die by gas chamber? Not that he did.

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  2. I’ve learned everything I needed to know about Carrillo’s logic, when I saw a video, where he is talking about Ramirez levitating. Yes, you have not got me wrong, everybody, who is not familiar with the video. I, myself, would not believe it, if I haven’t seen those words coming out of his mouth with my own eyes. He was talking about Ramirez LEVITATING. Not a homeless drug addict, who is having hallucinations, but a serious, professional, big bad serial killer catcher, talanted detective, police officer Gill Carrillo was talking about Le-Vi-Ta-Thing. That’s all one needs to learn to figure out how he works.

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    1. I know the clip you mean, sadly, the person in question often makes inappropriate comments and stupid “jokes” where he should not.

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  3. I don’t know what is he doing, but he seemed to make a real circus out of all it. And I’m not talking only about the clip we just discussed. There are some others, sure You are familiar with them. He is talking things, that are beyond imagining…

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    1. Yes, somethings are appalling, and more things get added on as the years pass.

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  4. Carrillo’s «comments» are sometimes so appropriate and stupid, first time I heard them, I was sitting with my mouth open, got too much second-hand embarrassment…It’s hard to believe a federal detective is speaking. Sometimes he sounds much like a crazy groupie. I believe it represents also how he treats his job. It’s just… no comment, please no comment.

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    1. I assume because he now makes a living from telling the same story over and over, everyone’s heard it, so perhaps he adds in new things to keep it “fresh”. I honestly don’t know. What I do know is telling crime stories at wine tastings seems inappropriate. These events should not be reduced to entertainment.

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      1. I don’t know why one should behave the way he did and does, but my opinion of him is of a non-serious man really. Very bad comedian.

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      2. You’re right about that.

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  5. * INappropriate

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  6. I’ve been reading this blog recently, I am literally binging it, and although I wanted to wait to read everything to give you my overall thoughts, I can’t stay silent when we’re talking about Carrillo logic.

    The first time I ever heard or watched anything about Richard was a few weeks ago, after watching Night Stalker on Netflix. Now, from the get go, Carrillo sounded like a complete fraud.

    He goes on to describe what happened to Okazaki better than the victims—he has imagined it all in his head, and the more he investigates crimes the more you can tell that it’s his dream to catch a serial killer, and he knows exactly what kind of psychopath he wants to find. And he starts looking for that person in everything he sees, especially after partnering up with Salerno, almost as though he doesn’t think he deserves to be partners with the person who caught the Hillside Strangler unless he catches a serial killer too.

    It’s quite disappointing and ironic that he ends up doing his best to basically kick down a Hispanic like him in doing so.

    Carrillo sexualized Richard long before the groupies did. Just look at how he describes that woman on top of a truck waving her boobs at Richard on the day he was arrested.

    This guy had no place doing anything in a homicide bureau. All he did was taint the investigation with his own fantasies, and it’s a mystery to me how he managed to get other cops on board when he was basically writing a fiction novel instead of using the evidence that was everywhere and displayed that there were several crimes and several people involved, not just one person who was apparently genius enough to elude them but too chaotic and stupid to decide on what actually gratified them.

    Also the parts where he tries to be funny, I swear—when he talks about Richard levitating in front of him, I’m just like, dude, this guy has been beaten up by a crowd, my first thought isn’t that he’s going to levitate in the name of Satan, but that he’s injured! What if he dies of internal bleeding in front of you, where’s your “foe” now? Where’s your case? What happens if your only suspect just kicks the bucket because you think he’s going to summon demons?

    But I guess it’s okay to keep giving him money for his babbles, because his night prayers “always end up with Ramirez.”

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    1. Yes, all this. I’m writing the book which will go further on this Carrillo theme. He claims all the details of these crimes come from a post-conviction interview with Richard, conveniently not recorded, which Richard denied (in Carlo’s book). The details Carrillo claims he ‘heard’ suggests he spoke to him for hours, which is unlikely.

      Right from the start, he seems to have been interfering in certain murder scenes to the point that those investigating officers gave their case to the Homicide Bureau. I’ve found four cases where he’s apparently directly done this, out of his jurisdiction. Doi, Dickman, and at least one child abduction case, then Cannon. Other homicides that fell under Los Angeles Police Department jurisdiction ended up being taken over by his L.A. County Sheriff’s team too, like Khovananth and Vincow.

      He had decided it was a serial killer in early April ’85, way before the spree of bludgeoning attacks occurred in July, as if he had psychic abilities. (For the record I think the same person might have committed at least three of the crimes and another person did three or so more, which had been Salerno’s original opinion). Carrillo even involved the FBI, who cast his files aside, but evidently, by August he had convinced half the LA County Sheriff’s Dept, and the hunt was on for Ramirez based on a chance traffic stop in June. He was finally allowed to declare Yu and Okazaki as part of the spree, and the child abductions.

      You’re right about his sexualisation. He’s mentioned attorneys opening their legs for him so many times, I’ve lost count. He loves to tell the same anecdotes again and again, but every now and then he adds a new outrageous embellishment to make the story more shocking, like claiming Ramirez stalked his house and spread cat fur to a murder scene. He’s most obsessed with the child cases and Anastasia Hronas. Have you noticed how he twists every interview back to that child? The idea of Richard being a paedophile seems to roll around in his mind constantly.
      Thanks for your comment. I’m glad you see it too.

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    2. If I could applaud loud enough for you to hear from wherever you are, I would. You see it all clearly, just as we did.

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      1. The entire comment needs framing haha

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      2. Yes it does! Someone saw through The Carrillo Show.

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      3. Hahaha, the Carrillo Show! It really do be that way though. Now, I don’t want to be a hypocrite so I’ll admit that some things he said really made me laugh because of the way he said them, but it really just works if you actually believe (or pretend to believe) that Richard did a 100% of what Carrillo & co. claims he did.

        I remember this one interview in which Carrillo mentioned this elderly woman talking about Richard raping her and she found him “quite handsome” and was afraid that he’d kill her because he couldn’t “hold his erection” but he actually did—what the actual F is this?

        So many people claim that it’s offensive to the victims to think that Richard might have been even 1% innocent, but this kind of statement? Isn’t it actually disrespectful towards rape victims? That you found your rapist handsome and that what really scared you was how long he could keep his erection? And a police officer laughs while recalling this story?

        I also knew that Carrillo was bs-ing from the way he described his relationship with Richard. Note how all the cops involved in the Bundy or Dahmer cases absolutely detested the killers, even in those moments when the killers confessed and tried to explain how and what they felt and showed a vulnerable side, meanwhile Carrillo is like, “Rich looked at me embarrassed, as if to ask me what the hell,” or “Richard and I actually got along, we were both from the streets,” or “I always pray for Richard…”

        Despite Falzon being the shadiest of them all at least he was consistent in his tale and didn’t seem to have any sympathy for the so-called Night Stalker.

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      4. Yes, all this!

        Carrillo doesn’t seem to take the Sophie Dickman case seriously…but he neglects to mention how ridiculous she was as a witness – I actually need to update my post on her because there’s more discrediting information to add, that’s in the book chapter version I did. I’ll do that later. Maybe he’s emphasising her rapist was attractive to deflect from that.

        He loves to go on about that ‘órale!’ greeting too, just to show they were besties that spoke in Spanish code!

        Falzon at least knows where Carrillo is wrong, fame-obsessed and knows the L.A. evidence was weak.

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      5. The thing is, órale isn’t even this street slang he talks about.

        I’ve studied enough Mexican Spanish and hung out with Mexicans/American Mexicans to scrunch my nose at that comment from Carrillo. Órale is also used as a way of saying, “alright,” or “let’s do that.” It’s not street slang because even those who are considered “fresa” (upper class) use it.

        Carrillo really likes to act like he and Richard come from the same background but he turned out good while Richard is a freak, but they really had different upbringings. While Gil hung out at a liquor store Richard was watching his cousin’s wife get shot.

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      6. Yeah I don’t really know any Spanish but I’ve heard them say it a lot. If there’s a Hispanic character in TV show, they’ll say órale at some point!
        The only reason Gil didn’t end up in a gang is because his parents signed him up for the military.

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      7. Gil also jokes about Sophie Dickman when he told her to come to the line-up. “I must go to the salon to get my hair done first!”. Too many “jokes”.

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    3. I’m back here to mention Carrillo’s oft-repeated anecdote about Richard asking him “why am I like this?” to which he replies “If I knew that, I’d be making a lot more money.” Why would Richard ask him this when he barely opened up to his actual psychiatrists? He had multiple people to ask and plenty of opportunity. Why would he ask why he’s “like that” when he insisted he was sane and plead innocent?

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      1. Yet more Carrillo Logic? He hasn’t thought that through half as well as you have!

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      2. Nothing he says quite fits

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      3. Carrillo should be sued for defamation and other things I can’t bother to list right now. He’s just making stuff up like he’s the new protagonist of the Mindhunter show.
        He only pretends that Richard Ramirez opened up to him because anyone who’s tried to interview him never got him to talk about the crimes (who knows; maybe because he didn’t actually commit them since there’s no solid proof) and if that kept going then eventually the public would have noticed that this was all smoke.
        The question “why am I like this” is also another type of affirmation that can be used in any context. What are we talking about — why am I in prison, why am I the prime suspect, why can’t I relate to anything that’s happening, why am I not reacting to what’s going on, why am I detached yet paranoid about everyone around me, blah blah blah.
        It doesn’t necessarily mean “why am I a serial killer.”

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      4. It sounded like he was having anxiety attacks in these interviews with his strange breathing. Maybe it was about that. No doubt Carrillo will claim it was the untaped post-conviction interview he claims happened.

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      5. Isn’t it amazing how none of these leading detectives managed to record any of these “confessions”? It’s all anecdotal, hearsay and probably plucked straight from his imaginings.

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      6. Like Falzon. He’d interviewed Richard. Richard allegedly talked about TV shows he was scheduled to appear on. This police interview was presumably recorded. Then right as he’s being marched back to his cell he decided to “confess” to the murder of the Caldwell sisters? Yet Falzon never charged him with it. Why’s that? If someone confessed to the murder wouldn’t you charge?

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      7. Yes, I was thinking of Falzon as well. A “confession”, yet Frank Falzon just wanders off. You really couldn’t make this up.

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      8. Carrillo would just say “the D.A. of San Francisco was soft on crime! He was good for another 50!”

        And with Carrillo, the excuse for the post conviction interview not being recorded was “he said no.” A guy who just got the death sentence probably doesn’t get to dictate what police do. He has no power.

        Was this the time they watched the bad Ramirez film with him? Also inappropriate.

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      9. That in itself is just weird!

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      10. Everyone is just so casual about all this! Oh yeah, this guy confessed this and that but I conveniently didn’t record it. Oh, that happened to you too?! What a coincidence!

        Ramirez was literally thrown in the same category as people like Bundy and Dahmer, but how come those two have hours and hours of taped conversations and there’s evidence all over the place but Richard can be sentenced to the gas chamber thanks to shoes no one retrieved, guns no one saw, and witnesses who can’t see the forest from the trees considering how Richard’s appearance changes every other day if you listen to them.

        I don’t blame the average American for believing the media back then. The LASD and LAPD are responsible for catching the people who committed and kept committing those crimes, but they were thirsting for fame. “The Bulldogs.” 🙄

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      11. And we know footage exists – or once existed – because his psychiatrists viewed two hours of footage. So it begs the question why it’s being withheld. Perhaps ‘they’ don’t want people to find out he had a bad defence, and see serologists trying to discredit their own work to make the mystery blood meaningless.

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      12. Or to see the fingerprint expert positively match a print from the Vincow window screen to another suspect, not Ramirez. Move along.. nothing to see here!

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      13. They definitely like to keep the tale alive. They only show us the same 5 minutes of footage, with the pentagram, Hail Satan, court swagger, etc. They don’t want you to hear their Night Stalker make actual sense when he talks, or see him space out or look ill in general.
        They’d already depicted him in a certain way thanks to the ignorant journalists too they had no other way to hide the bullshit.

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      14. It’s been cleverly engineered right from the start.

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      15. Richard’s entire attitude during those interviews was miles away from a Bundy or a Son of Sam or any other killer who agreed to tapes/video recordings. He looked like someone who was willing to discuss the theology aspects of Satanism or the possible backgrounds of serial killers, but his vocabulary was never about talking about himself in third person. Every time it becomes apparent the journalists cut in or repeat the question and I would start inhaling too to avoid punching the guy in the face tbh.
        But I also think he wasn’t at ease at all with the cameras in his face and did have anxiety attacks, I mean he closes his eyes and all when he regains control of his breathing—and this guy is supposed to break into people’s homes? Color me skeptical for another century.

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      16. Especially when you hear from Sandra Hotchkiss about how nervous he was as a burglar, running away and all that. Then the sun goes down and he’s a commanding and demanding killer.

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      17. Why does the visual image of him running away in panic, leaving Hotchkiss stranded, always make me laugh?
        Not to mention that he’s clueless about the value of jewellery, according to his associates, yet after dark he’s suddenly a diamond expert.

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      18. The image of him blundering around someone’s house all wild-eyed is definitely funny!

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      19. Also the defamation thing – yes – apparently he was lying that Julian Jr lived at the bottom of Rosa’s garden (or something like that) and one niece had to tell another to ask Carrillo to refrain from making shit up about the family.

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      20. Richard and his family allowed far too many things to be said about and done to him. Like the whole Carlo book for example is another big question mark to me—why would you let anyone publish something about you when half of it is fiction?
        Everyone involved in this was just very compliant in letting the police and the media create a narrative before “justice” did its course. I get that Richard was mentally ill and his family had little understanding of what was really going on, but surely you should fight tooth and nail for your innocence.
        It’s not just Carrillo logic, I feel like everyone got on board for no reason.

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      21. I agree. There are so many different factors at play.
        They were definitely interested in money that could come from the case.
        Some people have theories that he was threatened to play along with being the Night Stalker. His psychiatrists seemed to have the opinion or give the impression that he was naïve about how people such as Carlo would portray him, expecting something positive. Even though he knew he’d been a victim of media bias, this apparently never occurred to him when selling his story to Carlo. “you’re not gonna make me out to look bad are you?” Well Richard, of course he was.

        Even his father said although he didn’t believe it, if the police had evidence it must be true. That wouldn’t be good enough for me. If it was my relative, I’d want to know EVERYTHING and pick apart all the details, communicate with the lawyers etc

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      22. The Carlo issue is very weird. Richard never talked about the crimes, so we can assume he never discussed that with Carlo. He even said to Carlo, “You’re not going to make me look bad, are you?”. Which, if he’d regaled the author with tales of murder and rape, he’d know that , yes, he is indeed going to make you look bad. The comment makes no sense and is somewhat naive. The tapes weren’t destroyed, but they’re not released fully, either; yet. Why he ever agreed to it, I will never know, he said 75% of it was ok; meaning 25% (the opening killings section) was not. It reads like fiction, even down to never naming “the killer”, Carlo’s fictionalised killer has no name, perhaps that was the agreement, if there was one? The trial part is the only useful bit.
        His lawyers warned him that agreeing to the book would damage his case.

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  7. I have to admit that I didn’t do too much research on the cops in this case. I have always been just interested in Richard as a person and in just the truth regarding the case. I just wanted the facts regarding the evidence, possibly court documents, police reports, original statements of witnesses etc. So my opinion regarding the cops in this case is based on a few things that I just noticed while doing my research on the case. First thing I realized was that all alleged confessions or incriminating statements were always only done when Richard was alone with someone. (With Falzon regarding the sisters on Telegraph Hill, with that guard in front of Richard’s cell, who allegedly listened to a 15 minutes incriminating monologue without asking any questions or showing any reaction, then Salerno and Carrillo, whom Richard allegedly told everything in 3rd person during a cookies and movie meeting at SQ death row.) However, Salerno lost my respect when he stated that he wanted to be present when Richard would get executed. What? He literally stated that he cared about to be present and that he wanted to watch Richard die? What if a murderer in an interrogation would say something like that? “Yes, I wanted to watch her die ” That would earn him some points more on Michael Stones scale of evil. Falzon lost my respect when he bragged about threatening and beating Armando Rodriguez to get Richards full name. The cops who took him to Hollenbecks lost my respect when they wondered why Richards vomit was green when he threw up in the parking lot. Yes, maybe because he had already vomited before and there was only some bile left in his stomach. And apparently Richard was still nice enough not to vomit on your backseat. Regarding Carrillo I can only say that I didn’t watch all his newer interviews. (which already says a lot). When I started doing research I considered him a reliable source and I thought he was somehow fair with Richard.(For example, regarding Richard’s possible execution he stated that he’d be there if Richard wanted him to. That sounded somehow right to me.) I can’t say when I lost my respect for Carrillo, it was not because of one statement as with the others. It was a step by step process. One important point was when they blamed Diane Feinstein that she released details regarding the evidence, which made the killer throw his Avias into the Bay. And that’s just B’s. The last time the Avia prints showed up was in July at the Khovananth crime scene. At the Abowath crime scene were already Stadia prints found. That was almost 2 weeks before Feinstein’s press conference. Feinstein didn’t blow up the investigation. She did just the contrary. She did them a favor: she delivered them an explanation why no Avias could be found among Richard’s belongings. I don’t remember the details regarding the other things, I remember only that while listening to Carrillo I often thought: wait, didn’t he tell that differently in the last documentary? Or: How is it possible that he doesn’t remember this? It was his investigation in his biggest case. Shouldn’t he remember the evidence? When this had happened I just stopped listening to him. He got my ” not a reliable source” stamp. And then I was done with him. And to be honest, I really don’t want to listen to all his new interviews. I feel it would just be wasted time.

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    1. Yes, to all of the above!
      Carrillo cannot now be considered (shamefully) as a reliable source, and that disgusts me. Since he’s taken this case to be his pension fund the stories are growing, ever changing and getting stranger.
      Because we couldn’t believe the things he said on a couple of recent podcasts, we included them in posts.
      Ballistics: He actually said that they knew the ballistics evidence was faulty but that didn’t matter because they had all the guns. You know, and I know that isn’t true. So why did he say it? Then in a most bizarre statement he claimed that the woman from Arcadia, the one who claimed she saw him the night before Patti Higgins was murdered, a block away with a cat round his neck and carrying ice-cream; remember? Well, Carrillo said that she definitely saw him, but now it’s on the night Higgins was killed, only 40 yards away.. and he had a cat, and suddenly cat hair was found in Higgins’ house. The guy doing the podcast neither blinked or asked one question about this. Carrillo seems to be expecting us to believe he took a cat on a killing spree. Of course none of this ended up at the trial, charges were dropped, as you know.
      Also: “Murder clothes”.. Venning wrote a post about that.
      This stuff is crazy! Do the stories change to keep it fresh? To engage an audience who have heard it all before? But these claims only serve to add more inconsistencies to this messed up case. As for the Avias, there’s an article about that on here, too.

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      1. The cat question is easy. Was it a black cat? If the cat was black, it was Richard. Any other color? It wasn’t him. 😉 That cat witness is my “favorite” and I see that I’m not alone with that opinion. I did research on the Higgins case too. That corner where the witness saw that cat-guy must be the corner S Baldwin Ave/W Camino Real Ave, where today is a Chinese restaurant. So it’s not 40 yards but about 400. Still pretty close, but I doubt that she had a good look on that guy while she was turning right into Camino Real Ave.

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      2. I think it was grey. I can’t believe Carrillo lost an opportunity to say it was black with glowing red eyes hahaha. The Chinese must be where the ‘Bob’s Big Boy’ restaurant used to be.

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      3. Elizabeth Roybal said outside Bob’s Big Boy Restaurant on 27th June. I know they don’t say definitely whether it was 27th or 28th, as the autopsy couldn’t determine, so there’s room for manoeuvre there, but the neighbour reported hearing loud banging noises during the night of 27th. Carillo says it was a grey and white cat; what Richard did with that cat is anyone’s guess.
        “She put him there”, he declared, which is stretching a theory. There was no evidence he was ever there, and he knows it. Evidence being the key point, where is it?

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      4. Haha..Carrillo really revealed the color of the cat? Ok, a gray and white cat is innocent. 😉 Since I have lost all my posts I remember only that there was a construction side right next to Patty Higgins house and that they used her telefon. I suspected that it had something to do with that construction site. That it was anyone working there or anyone living in the area. At that time there was practically only her house and that huge construction site. But they said that they had investigated all the construction workers and nobody had aroused suspicion.

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      5. Yes, thats right.

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      6. Yes, I think the same thing. Construction workers come up again with the Bell/Lang incident, too.

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    2. At first, I was the same, I had no real interest in Carrillo apart from hearing from Jay that he makes money off talking about the case. But I drove myself mad one night trying to work out HOW Carrillo and co caught Ramirez if it wasn’t him. That led me into examining how Carrillo worked out the Night Stalker’s M.O. which didn’t make sense. Then I checked his involvement in other cases – like when did a case become an official Night Stalker crime. I could then trace the moment the LASD ‘realised there was a serial killer’ and, coupled with the mismatching eyewitness descriptions, it dawned on me that he – or at least someone was engineering the character, the appearance, the smell etc.

      I agree about Feinstein. Falzon thinks Carrillo and Salerno blaming her is because they’re bitter that Falzon and Klotz were the ones who found a direct lead to Ramirez. Before she reviealed the shoes, they’d originally been upset she revealed the calibre of the guns (which was misinformation) and then they were upset with the press for revealing Ramirez’s dental records. And of course blaming the LAPD for not getting the prints off a car and not catching Richard at the dentist’s. Carrillo just blames others all the time.

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