The Vincow Incident: What’s in a Fingerprint?

On the afternoon of June 28, 1984, between 1-2 p.m., Jack Vincow proceeded to his mother’s apartment in Glassell Park. He found Jennie Vincow lying on her bed with her throat slashed, covered with a blanket.

She had numerous stab wounds – one had severed her jugular vein. Jennie had aspirated blood. There were seven stab wounds in all and the coroner believed that four were lethal. It is often stated that Vincow was raped. There was no physical evidence of sexual assault. However, her girdle was pulled down and her dress partially lifted. (Richard Ramirez’s 2008 Federal Habeas Corpus, pg. 411).

The apartment had been broken into and ransacked. The window next to the front door was open, and the door was unlocked. The window screen had been placed inside the house.

Physical Evidence:

  • Blood spatter in the living room, bath and bedroom and on a portable car top in the bedroom closet.
  • Blood smudges in the bathroom sink and on a lamp table.
  • Ransacked apartment, drawers open.

LAPD fingerprint technician Reynaldo Clara arrived at 5pm and lifted five latent fingerprints. Four were from the window screen and one was from the interior of the living room window. Two prints looked identifiable. Clara could not determine how long the prints had been on the screen.

Per the coroner’s report, it was estimated, based on liver temperature, that Vincow had been killed within 2-3 hours of when her body was discovered (at 2 p.m.). Jack Vincow told law enforcement he had last seen his mother alive the previous day between 1-2 p.m. This might suggest that Jennie was murdered in the morning and not during the previous night, making this case deviate from the Night Stalker’s modus operandi.

The Vincow murder was unlike any of the other crimes attributed to the Night Stalker. Jennie Vincow was an elderly woman that lived alone and was killed in the middle of the day. She lived in an apartment building surrounded by numerous other tenants. Despite the ransacking, nothing seemed to have been stolen from her apartment.

Jennie Vincow’s Sons:

Jennie Vincow had two sons, Manny and Jack. Jack was a pharmacist who lived above her in their apartment building. Manny, had been hospitalized multiple times for mental health disturbances and was rumored to have been both physically and emotionally abusive to his mother. He lived in a mental institution in Brooklyn, New York.

Jack Vincow testified that he initially thought his brother might have been responsible for their mother’s death. This was because Wanda Doss, the manager of the apartment block, thought she saw Jack inside Jennie’s apartment on the morning of the murder. Wanda Doss did not testify at trial. This information comes from Philip Carlo’s biography, pp. 258-259. Per Jack, his brother Manny bore a strong resemblance to him.

Jack Vincow engaged in some odd behaviors after the death of his mother. After discovering his mother had been brutally murdered in her apartment, Jack took the time to open the curtains and the windows in the living room and the kitchen before having the apartment manager call the police. (Habeas Corpus, pg. 43).

LAPD Detective Jesse Castillo thought Jack’s behavior was suspicious, prompting him to follow him in his vehicle on one occasion. He was asked to take a lie detector test, which he refused. Lie detector tests are not admissible so this is reasonable. Law enforcement tried to interview Jack several times, and he was uncooperative, leaving in the middle of one.

“He said one reason police wanted him to take the test was that some witnesses reported seeing a man who looked like Jack Vincow in the woman’s apartment before the body was found. Vincow said his brother, Manny, bears a strong resemblance to him.”

– Los Angeles Times (Southland Metro) March 4, 1986.

Fingerprint Evidence:

Ramirez’s alleged fingerprint was the only evidence that tied him to the Vincow murder. There were no links to the other Night Stalker cases apart from the home invasion aspect.

On Jennie Vincow’s window screen, four fingerprints were found. Only two had potential to be identified, according to techician Reynaldo Clara and Darnell Carter who examined them. There were other prints on the screen that were unidentifiable.

The window screen on the floor

This was before AFIS (Automated Fingerprint Identification System) so they were unable to match it to a criminal record. When Richard Ramirez was captured, the Los Angeles Police Department and Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department looked through cold cases to see if any matched the Night Stalker’s M.O. (the police simultaneously argued that he did not have an M.O.). Jennie Vincow’s murder case was raised and the LAPD gave the Vincow case to the LASD.

It was the LASD’s Deputy Sheriff Hannah Woods who examined the fingerprints, as well as Richard Ramirez’s belongings. Woods manually examined the prints and concluded that they belonged to Ramirez. Because Ramirez’s defence were incompetent and had no money, they failed to retain a fingerprint expert to examine the Vincow fingerprints and the prosecution’s evidence was left unchallenged. They lacked the funds because they were not sufficiently qualified to take the case and the judge refused to pay them.

Instead, they conceded the fingerprint evidence and argued that the jury should acquit Richard of the Vincow charge because his fingerprints were not found inside the apartment. This was an incredibly weak argument – but one the jury considered. Incredibly, juror Donald McGee actually stated that he would have voted for acquittal had Vincow been a standalone case. (Habeas Corpus document 20.8)

The Unidentifiable Prints:

During deliberations, the jury questioned the unidentifiable fingerprints and posed this question to the court:

“What is the legal definition of an unidentifiable fingerprint? Is it because there is not enough of a print to make an I.D. or because the print is not a part of the records the police have with which to make a comparison?”

– Federal Writ of Habeas Corpus, pg 414.

At this point, the defense should have explained the significance of unidentifiable fingerprints and argued that they had not come from Ramirez. If this wasn’t bad enough, the prosecution failed to preserve them.

Ramirez’s attorneys were supposed to object to the prosecution for losing evidence in their closing argument. Because they failed to do so, the prosecutor, Philip Halpin, shifted the burden of proof onto the defense. In other words, they had to prove the prints were not Ramirez’s – impossible when they no longer existed.

The California Government Refused a Review of Ramirez’s Fingerprint Evidence

In 2008, fingerprint examiner Ron Smith was retained by federal habeas attorneys to review the fingerprint evidence introduced against Richard at his Los Angeles trial; however, the state refused to release the fingerprint exhibits.

Fingerprint examiner, Ron Smith, has been retained by federal habeas counsel to review the fingerprint evidence introduced against Petitioner at trial; however, he requires the release of the fingerprint exhibits to his care in order to do so. Petitioner has filed a request with the Superior Court to release the exhibits to Mr. Smith’s care; the government has opposed Petitioner’s request.

– Habeas Corpus, pg. 413

What were they afraid of? What don’t they want us to know? If the state’s evidence is valid and reliable, then why do they not want anyone else to examine it? Is it because they know their evidence will not hold up to scientific scrutiny? Do they fear if a competent, independent fingerprint examiner looks at the evidence, it will quickly crumble, showing substantial reasonable doubt?

A young man’s life and liberty depended on the authenticity of this evidence. Yet, the Hernandez’s didn’t bother with contesting it, the state lost the unidentifiable prints and would not release the prints for independent analysis.

Fingerprints Case Study:

For as long as I can remember, I was taught no two fingerprints are alike, that they are distinct, like DNA. Well, that’s not quite accurate. Fingerprinting is not an exact science, and contrary to widespread belief, not every set of fingerprints is unique. The science of fingerprinting varies from one law enforcement agency to the next, and each agency determines its own protocols for examining fingerprint evidence. The science of fingerprint evidence is based on two key assumptions: That fingerprint reading is objective and that every person has completely unique fingerprints. Neither of these assumptions is 100 percent correct. To be considered scientifically valid, an instrument or testing procedure must be proven beyond a reasonable degree of scientific certainty to be accurate, valid, and replicable.

Unlike DNA testing, the fingerprint industry is not held to these standards. Since 1911, when prosecutors first introduced them as evidence, U.S. courts have consistently accepted fingerprints, and juries have considered them incontrovertible evidence. But unlike DNA evidence, fingerprinting was adopted before the United States Supreme Court decided attorneys and expert witnesses must prove that evidence is scientific and reliable. Matches become even more difficult when law enforcement finds only a partial fingerprint.While prosecutors rely heavily on fingerprint evidence in criminal cases, and juries often take fingerprint evidence as proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a defendant’s guilt, fingerprint evidence has been known to implicate the wrong person. And this is because matching fingerprints is not an exact science.

Fingerprint comparison is highly subjective, and even proficient forensic scientists can make mistakes when it comes to reading and comparing fingerprints. As such, it’s important for a jury to understand that not all fingerprint evidence is reliable, and a competent attorney should know how to cast doubt on fingerprint evidence so the jury realizes it’s not foolproof.

A prime example of fingerprint misidentification occurred after the train bombings in Madrid in 2004. Spanish authorities found fingerprints on a bag that held explosives. They sent the fingerprint evidence to international authorities for further comparison. Three FBI experts matched the prints to Brandon Mayfield, an Oregon lawyer. The FBI claimed the match was 100 percent accurate, and Mayfield was detained by federal authorities. Spanish authorities eventually found that Mayfield had not left the United States for several years and the fingerprints matched an Algerian national. So how is it that supposedly infallible fingerprint evidence can incriminate a man who hadn’t left the country in a terrorist attack halfway across the world? 

Unfortunately, many people may receive wrongful convictions based on unreliable fingerprint evidence if they don’t have a defense attorney handling their case that knows how to successfully dispute fingerprint evidence.

Kaycee

Dec 22 2022

Further reading:

Soup bowls found at the Vincow crime scene.

56 responses to “The Vincow Incident: What’s in a Fingerprint?”

  1. I find it very strange and suspicious that the state refused to release a lot of the evidence from this case to Richard’s legal team. The evidence that they used for all these cases as you guys discussed in other posts do not seem to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Richard committed them and not handing over evidence to the defense when requested makes their case look even more weak because it would raise the point that their evidence would not hold up to professional scientific scrutiny if examined properly by the defense. This casts further doubt on a case that already has so many unanswered questions. It’s counterproductive. If they have a airtight case then there would be no problems in looking at the evidence again. Would you guys happen to know the reasoning the state provide for refusing to release evidence and does this violate any laws or rights?

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    1. The petition doesn’t give a reason, only saying that the government refused to release both fingerprint and shoeprint evidence. Yes, it’s very suspicious. Why deny the experts a closer look if they are so sure the case was water-tight? I imagine this would violate Ramirez’s 6th Amendment rights and the hiding of exculpatory evidence during the trial would be a Brady violation.

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  2. There seems to be a sense of both governmental and political influence to convict Richard of these crimes and keep him convicted.

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    1. I agree with you, it’s hard to think otherwise.

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    2. Especially with the Pan case. It needed LA evidence to stand and the district attorney seemed terrified of having the case reopened by good lawyers.

      San Francisco wanted to proceed with the prosecution “as an insurance policy” against the LA conviction collapsing on appeal. It seems they had a weird obsession with keeping him in prison rather than justice and finding out the truth of what happened in that crime

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  3. I bet that if all of the corruption and cover ups that went on in this case was revealed a large percentage of the people on the prosecution side would probably be out of a job or have their reputations and careers destroyed. If law enforcement did proper investigative work and properly persevered evidence then they wouldn’t have had to go to such lengths to cover things up. They were wholly incompetent to be handling the investigations into these crimes just as the Hernándezs were to be handling Richards’ case. I understand that in the 80’s they didn’t have the sophisticated techniques and technology that we have in law enforcement agencies today. But in some of the cases there was a decent amount of testimony and evidence to find suspects and some even seemed to have been committed by the same person. It’s just pure laziness to pin all of the crimes on to one person to clear your books. It denies victims true and proper justice and almost guarantees that an innocent man will go to jail. They will have to keep coming up with different false claims and stories to hide the grave injustice that has been committed.

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    1. The whole case was a shambles, shoddily handled by all of them. As we’re heavily proof reading the book at the moment, we can’t help but be struck again at how bad it really was. Philip Halpin knew all to well that the convictions balanced on a knife edge, hence his real concerns over the Pan trial. The false claims will keep coming, as will the same old documentaries, films and podcasts. More of the same regurgitated content where everyone sticks to the script and questions aren’t allowed.

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  4. What pisses me off more than anything else is that people are still profiting from producing the same regurgitated content. More than feeling bad for Richard I feel bad for the victims, both surviving and living, that had to go through so much pain and suffering at the hands of a sick individual (or individuals) for the infamous caricature of the NS to come about. I understand that this case was a milestone for many career wise but continuously producing content about this case is both damaging and traumatizing to the victims and the families. It’s incredibly hypocritical and doesn’t add anything new to the conversation as you guys have tried to do. I know there is not much I can or anyone else can do about it, but someone has to hold them accountable because it just isn’t moral for them to be doing this. Whether you think Richard is guilty or not or if there was enough evidence to convict him or not it’s really screwed up to still be profiting off this case.

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    1. Yes, this. So much this! Some say that we’re disrespectful, and we’ve tried not to be, we decided right from the start that we would not reproduce the crime scene photos (the ones containing the deceased), we didn’t want it to be gratuitous. We do not make money from this at all, and never intended it to be anything other than a place to discuss the things that no one else was. It’s as if what is contained in those original reports never happened.
      Everything we have written about should have been included at trial, and it wasn’t. That’s down to the useless defence counsel, and it lays at their feet. We don’t say Ramirez was innocent, we are trying to show that the case/investigation/trial were flawed and the knock-on effect of that is that there will always be a big, fat question mark hanging over the court proceedings. What we’re left with are numerous documentaries and the obligatory podcasts, and they just repeat what each other say, over and over. I have not seen ONE where anyone is questioning why the type A blood at the Bennett incident was just forgotten about. No one talks about Carol Kyle’s nice toothed attacker, or why the semen from the Abowath swab wasn’t a match. And no one, absolutely no one, seems to realise that the shoeprint evidence and the ballistics reports were unreliable. But you can’t question it, it’s not allowed.

      I find it galling to see the profit “some” make from this case, charging money for appearances, etc. That is distasteful and is really turning the tragedy of these events into a mass entertainment cash-grab. I know of no other case where leading detectives carry on like that, I can’t think of one. I wonder why that is? And why is everything about Ramirez so salacious?

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    2. I thought it was really grim that Carrillo went on a talk show alongside Richard’s niece. And in the middle of it, he started rambling about Richard killing Joyce Nelson and then going to rape Sophie Dickman because he couldn’t get satisfaction from Joyce. And it feels disrespectful, because these women are both dead now and he’s not letting them rest in peace – it wasn’t relevant to the conversation – it was about his supposed paedophilia. Another one of Carrillo’s fixations.
      Plus he makes money off “wine and crime” events.

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      1. I personally don’t get why these talk shows, podcasts, and documentaries keep having his family come on. Like I understand having his siblings (aka Robert) on, but I don’t understand the point of having his nieces and sister in laws and what not on. Most of his nieces and nephews were pretty small when this was going and he had been living in LA by himself for a while with barely any connection with his family. So I don’t see how they had enough interactions to warrant them going on these shows. It kinda feels like they are trying to gather whatever people they can with even a slight connection to Ramirez to further cement this caricature of him being a monster because they can’t get any of his actual family or close friends to really talk. I’m not doubting their experiences with him or anything it just doesn’t make sense to me honestly. Personally if I had a family member who had so much notoriety and infamy attached to their name I would refrain from any public appearances where I talk about them for the safety of my other family members and myself.

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      2. Even Robert makes little sense, to put it mildly. That crap about Richard karate chopping a dog wasn’t true.

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      3. It appears that the more rational members of his family keep to themselves, stay out of the lime light. We have never heard anything from Rosa or Nacho. We have never heard anything from Nacho’s kids, or JJ (Julian’s son), or from Shelly’s sister (that I am aware of). We only hear from the ones that have nothing but negative things to say about him, that seek to profit from being related to him, and regaling people with their alleged interactions.

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      4. I agree there is too much sexualization of his victims as well. It’s one thing to talk about what occurred during the crimes it another thing to hyper fixate on “certain” aspects of them. It makes me really uncomfortable especially the constant mention of the devastating trauma that Sophie Dickman went through.

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      5. Vile

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  5. It’s plain disgusting to me how sexualized he is honestly. People who do stuff like that are just as disrespectful as those who profit off this case. You can find him attractive and everything, but if you believe that he did those heinous things then why would you ‘sexually glorify’ him. Even people who were involved in the case do it too and also sexualize his groupies. After reading his psych reports both from your website and the writ of habeas corpus I see where his inclination for everything involving sex comes from. A large part of it was due to the numerous amount of brain injuries and host of other neuropsychological problems. He had problems that he could not control and ones which worsened due to both his family, community, and institutions around him not giving him the proper care and attention he needed. It’s really a sad story and it’s immoral to be sexualizing a severely mentally ill man. I know for some people hybristophilia is not something that they can necessarily control but everything surrounding Ramirez is as you said salacious. They are part of the reason why there is so many falsehoods surrounding this case since the image of Ramirez being a ‘cold-hearted criminal with a bad boy attitude’ needs to maintained to satiate them so some of them go out of their way to come up with new ‘stories’ that make him seem more monstrous. A large percentage of this is the medias’ doing as well. In a way AHS did it as well casting Zach Villa as Ramirez and blatantly including kind of sexual scenes for no reason in my opinion.

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    1. I don’t think there was any need to include him in AHS 1984 at all. IF they desperately wanted a psycho Satanist killer, just invent one (kind of like they did in real life, I suppose.. ) and give him another name.
      The psychiatric reports were very hard to read and the host of problems he had are still not acknowledged, unless it’s the sexual ones. When I was studying them I found it quite overwhelming and unsettling.
      Richard couldn’t help his face, and I think it’s his face that mainly keeps the money rolling in because it brings a certain fascination with it. “Oooh, sick, psycho bad boy. He’s disgusting… but look at his cheekbones”.

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  6. They did the same with the Maxxine movie that just came out. There was maybe like max 3 minutes worth of footage of him in there. There was no reason for it. It didn’t add anything to the movie. They probably used it kind of as bait to get people to watch.

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    1. I haven’t seen it, Venning did and she said the same. It draws the crowds in

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  7. Yea I thought that they might show some never before seen footage or something. But it was just the footage of him being lead out of Hollenbeck Police Station (I think) that I have seen a least a thousand times at this point. It was okay. Pretty cheesy tbh and too much satanic panic stuff for my taste. I found it to be more funny than anything else. But I’m kinda desensitized to horror movies and gore anyways.

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    1. I wonder where all the unreleased footage is? There’s hours of it, but it’s never shown.

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      1. They are probably too cowardly to release any footage of the actual trial since it would confirm how incompetent Richard’s lawyers were and how corrupt and unjust the trial was. I hope one day some one has the balls to release some of it or maybe some of Philip Carlos’ “tapes” even if it is to make a quick buck. There is a plethora of footage of Bundy’s trials and that took place several years before Richard’s one. We will probably never see the full trial, but if I wanted to dispel any rumors surrounding this case I would have some of the footage released. If you ain’t got anything to hide then I don’t see any problem in doing so.

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      2. I imagine they would rather not display the show trial for what it was, or let people see how disconnected and vacant Richard really was. Plus the attorney shambles, no one is supposed to know he had no defence to speak of. That gets brushed under the carpet.
        The same can be said for the interrogation tapes, as well.

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      3. Perhaps it’s in an evidence room at the archives. Or it was destroyed to keep the whole truth from being discovered.

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      4. We need to get in there. Although, it’s probably the latter, along with most of the transcripts.

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      5. I would love to!!!

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    2. Lol yes it was cheesy. What I found funny is the detectives in the film going “This isn’t the Night Stalker. This is a copycat.” When in reality, it was: “There’s a murder and rape. That’s the Night Stalker. And here’s a stabbing. That’s the Night Stalker too.” Carrillo ‘stole’ cases from other police departments!
      I don’t understand the point of Richard’s inclusion because it wasn’t even accurate.

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  8. I don’t understand why they can’t create their own satanic serial killer. It would much more interesting and far less insensitive to the victims. I guess they are just trying to cling to the infamy of the NS as much as possible.

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    1. It certainly created a whole new generation of fangirls.

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  9. I know his niece Rosalinda is writing a book called ” 1989 Love Always, Tio Richie” – aka “Richard Ramirez” The Night Stalker The Untold Story. She also has her Instagram handle as ricardo_is_my_uncle.

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    1. Yes, more dragging the family name through the mud. She changed her site recently, I think she removed some of the friendlier comments she made about him. As you would, considering the content of the book. We don’t get involved in it, the family dirt is their concern.

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      1. I imagine he must have felt so lonely despite all the groupies and morbid gawkers coming to visit him. I remember it mentioned that he felt like a “zoo animal” with people looking in on him every 15 minutes. It doesn’t seem (at least to me) that his family was really that supportive towards him even though he was going through one of the biggest hardships a person can go through. He already seemed to feel withdrawn and isolated from the world and this situation basically closed him off from everything and everyone. Also just curious what is the name of her website?

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      2. I don’t know if she has a website. I saw an Instagram post where she was asking a bunch of fangirls/hybristophiles what they would like her to write in her book, and that really did it for me. Why would you ask fangirls what to write in a book about a most serious and horrible subject?

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      3. because you are self-serving and vainglorious.

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      4. I think a good proportion of his family (not all, but some) see him as a hustle.

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    2. self-serving if you ask me

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  10. I agree it’s really screwed up to essentially be polling what content to put in the book to satisfy his “fangirls”. Like if you are going to write it write it about something that actually means something to you. All the hybristophiles/ fangirls want is more content to satisfy their ‘sick psycho bad boy killer’ version of him. I wonder how long everyone is gonna milk this case for. Hopefully the book you guys write will make people think twice before doing so and hold people accountable for what they say and do in regards to this case.

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    1. I think this case (or rather – him) will be milked for a long time. We wanted to do a book to get the trial side of things out there, because no one talks about that, unless it’s to talk about shoeprints. There’s happily nothing salacious in ours.

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  11. I’ve always wondered where the misconception that everyone’s fingerprints are entirely unique comes from. It doesn’t make sense to me that all 8 billion people on the planet could have completely distinct sets of prints. Statistically, there must be some similarities. Relying on partial prints to link someone to a crime seems problematic, as they likely don’t provide enough information. However, a full handprint would be a different story.

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    1. They claimed to have Richard’s whole handprint at the Hadsall scene but no one’s ever been allowed to verify it… Strange that.

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      1. Could you remind what happened at the Hadsall scene?

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      2. The police claimed that out of more than 600 burglaries in Monrovia, they managed to isolate one scene where Richard’s hand print was close to an Avia print… Thus supposedly proving he was wearing them. The woman in the house was not attacked.

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      3. They’ll try to find any possible way to connect him to those stupid Avias. I wouldn’t doubt if they would’ve gone as far as planting a pair on him if they needed to.

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      4. My partner thinks the fingerprints were planted. Because the government wouldn’t let the appeals experts re-examine them but he also finds it suspicious that they needed to take his prints off belongings found in his bags and car. Why would they need those when they already had a full set of prints from his arrests?

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      5. The more I learn about this case, the more questions arise. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be for you guys, even after writing this blog and the book, to still not have even half the full picture. I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist and a “tin-foil hat wearer” for raising questions like these, but I believe they’re reasonable, especially considering how much information about the case remains unavailable. People like Carillo continue to perpetuate “fake stories,” which only adds to the confusion.

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      6. People can’t cope with the idea that he’s lied or even said things that don’t match reality. He admitted on camera that they didn’t have ballistics evidence because of distortion then lied that they found the guns.

        It’s really weird that the two main detectives had a pair of Avias each. One pair was brought to a crime scene. You can’t bring a pair of shoes to the crime scene. I’m not saying they did but it could leave them open to planting evidence accusations

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      7. All that proved was that Richard touched his own things. LOL

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      8. Of course, what we now know is that Avia evidence was not as conclusive as they like to think. The defence desperately needed their own expert, it is to their shame that they did not.

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      9. All that did was to show that IF Ramirez broke into that house, he did not attack Clara Hadsall. The defence, of course, screwed it up, by saying it was a “typical Ramirez burglary”. No it wasn’t, as suggested by Hotchkiss, they did their thieving during the day, when people were out.
        They could not even prove that the house had a solo intruder, there could have been more than one person. It was highly suspicious.

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  12. It’s baffling to me that no one reported seeing or hearing anything, especially considering this crime took place in an apartment complex. While it’s not universally true, apartment walls are generally thin, and it’s reasonable to expect that neighbors might have heard signs of a break-in or struggle. The fingerprint evidence alone wouldn’t be enough for me to convict someone of this crime. The claim that “no two fingerprints are alike” isn’t entirely accurate—while our fingerprints are unique, they can share similarities with others, particularly in partial prints or when prints overlap on shared surfaces. This becomes even trickier if multiple sets of prints are on the same object.
    If I were a juror, I’d need far more substantial proof, especially given that nothing was stolen and that the crime occurred in broad daylight. This doesn’t align with the typical narrative of the “Night Stalker” that law enforcement and the media pushed. Additionally, Jack Vincow’s refusal to cooperate, including his unwillingness to take a lie detector test to help solve his own mother’s murder, strikes me as incredibly suspicious. If I were in his position, I’d be actively working with authorities in every way possible to get justice.

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    1. I agree. My partner said he would still vote for acquittal on the Vincow case. First because of the fingerprint issue you mention above. Secondly because of the differing M.O. and lastly because there are so many irregularities in the other 12 cases, why would this be any different?

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  13. I personally believe that if investigators had look into Jennie Vincow’s sons a bit more they would’ve found more substantial evidence.

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    1. Yes, Kaycee has another post coming out about this case soon. We found something in the records. A very small thing that people might say is irrelevant, but we think these little details are important.

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  14. I will always wonder why, if they already had his fingerprints from his previous arrests, AND those from his ‘Night Stalker’ arrest, why did Deputy Sheriff Hannah Woods need to take his fingerprints off his own possessions? What would be the purpose of that? 🤔

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    1. I find it odd, too, because why the need to prove he touched his own things?

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